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January 14, 2014, 07:52:11 PM
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Add me please...

NXT en Español (NXT in Spanish)
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I created on December 28, 2013 and remains updated!

NXT: 9415965710853847055

nice logo and up to date!

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January 14, 2014, 07:55:34 PM
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give them all 5k

I agree. Also, promoters like myself and Damelon (Nxt Netherlands) who are spearheading NXT into our respective countries should not be left out. Heck, our websites are even listed in the first post.

link pls...

Nxt Espana
http://nxtspain.blogspot.com.es/

Nxt Sweden
http://nxtcoin-swe.net/

Nxt Netherlands
http://www.nxtcoins.nl/

Thank you for linking me!
I was busy composing today's Bitcointalk Summary.
Slow day, people! Wink

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January 14, 2014, 07:57:12 PM
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give them all 5k

I agree. Also, promoters like myself and Damelon (Nxt Netherlands) who are spearheading NXT into our respective countries should not be left out. Heck, our websites are even listed in the first post.

link pls...

Nxt Espana
http://nxtspain.blogspot.com.es/

Nxt Sweden
http://nxtcoin-swe.net/

Nxt Netherlands
http://www.nxtcoins.nl/

Thank you for linking me!
I was busy composing today's Bitcointalk Summary.
Slow day, people! Wink

slow day what Huh Cheesy

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January 14, 2014, 08:02:27 PM
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Germany: Some 1000 words over Nxt since beginn of December: http://altcoinspekulant.wordpress.com/tag/nxt/

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January 14, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
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i did! i showed the conversion, it was 25,000 nxt. I wouldnt have offered that much because i have limited funds, but since i started finding my offers rejected i figured i could stand to offer more. i cant believe they are still rejecting at 25,000 Shocked

do you expect that they would read it if you offered 1 bitcoin directly? (they might not cope with the task of exchanging  Wink )

btw. missed the link to the paper, would you mind reposting?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E_ToOMG2l1XThx6YnyXEajXaf6H1k2yjq8XkAF0ScB4/mobilebasic?pli=1


Some bloggers might take offense to being offered funds to read an essay. They might view it as a bribe to write about Nxt, and they would want to keep their reputations clean, especially if they have built a reputation on unbiased reporting.

I think a better tactic might be to give some key reasons why it will benefit their blog and how their readership would benefit from the information, and perhaps even offer to do a guest post (after establishing your credentials). You could also give a point-form summary of the key points of your essay to pique their curiosity.

I think your paper is a fantastic promotional resource for Nxt, and I agree the crypto-currency thought leaders need to clue in to it. The implications for the crypto community are too far-reaching to ignore.


 
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January 14, 2014, 08:05:16 PM
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A Raspberry Pi only uses 2W at most:  400ma @ 5V.  This has to come from a power supply that has some conversion efficiency of 50-80% or so.  Let's be conservative and say we're using a 50% efficient wall plug transformer.  Then each Raspberry is using 4W of wall power to generate the 2W it actually needs to run.  Say electricity is $0.15 per kWh.  Then in a year of 365*24 = 8760 hours, a single Raspberry Pi is going to use 8760 * 4 = 35,040 watt-hours or 35 kWh per year costing 35 * 0.15 = $5.25 of electricity per year.  

Thus the power to run a Pi is thus real but pretty negligible in the overall cost picture.  You can run 25 Pis nonstop for a solid year for the same amount of juice required to leave a 100W incandescent bulb on day and night for a year.

As a reasonable estimate, a single Pi costs around $120 as capital outlay to set it up for a year of service as an NXT node:  $35 for the Pi itself; $30 more for the memory card, cables, cluster support gear, etc; $ 5 for a year's worth of power; and say $50 per year (around $4 / mo) to park it in a server farm.  A network of 300 Pis thus costs $36,00 to set up and run for a year (of which $15,000 per year or $1250 per month is "office rental" and "human tech support" and "internet bandwidth").  

If there are truly 5000 NXT per day generated in transaction fees as assumed above, that's 365*5000 = 1,825,000 NXT per year.  If you are using 300 Pis at $36,000 per year to capture ALL those transaction fees, you are spending $36,000 / 1,825,000 NXT = $0.02 per NXT or around 2 pennies per NXT to capture the NXT using Raspberry Pis.  At 0.00005 BTC/NXT and $800/BCT, a NXT is currently worth $0.04 or 4 pennies each.  

Rough ballpark estimate: Capturing NXT with Raspberry Pis could double your money in a year at current NXT prices.  The Raspberry cost is fixed; the return-on-investment ROI gets better and better the higher and higher NXT goes.

http://coen.boisestate.edu/ece/files/2013/05/Creating.a.Raspberry.Pi-Based.Beowulf.Cluster_v2.pdf

I seem to recall that people are setting up VPSs for around $20 per month or $240 per year, which is double the cost of setting up a Raspberry Pi for a year as outlined above.  Thus while NXT is at its current $0.04 each, capturing NXT with VPSs is a break-even proposition.

These are actually great numbers.  The return-on-investment or ROI for forging NXT is positive NOW and will be even more profitable when NXT coins become more valuable.  Thus even with NXT as a Proof-of-Stake coin without mining, there is STILL financial motivation for people to run the nodes required to keep the NXT system going.  For a pre-mined coin, that is a remarkable statement.

Oh and the daily cost of the NXT support web running on 300 Raspberry Pi nodes is $36,000 / 365 = $98.63 per day, call it $100 per day.  Do it on 300 VPSs instead, and the daily NXT support web cost is around $200 per day.



I have been adding some text to the NXT whitepaper at the wiki and my angle for the section I'm writing is Bitcoin Problem / NXT Solution.  Here's some interesting text I've researched, which considering my earlier Raspberry Pi calculations above, convinces me that Bitcoin is a dinosaur with a meteor in the sky coming in, while NXT is a cute furry mammal waiting patiently in its burrow for its time on the world stage:


PoW's Negative Ecological Consequences

Confirming transactions for existing Bitcoins, and creating new Bitcoins to go into circulation, requires enormous background computing power that must operate continuously.  This computing power is provided by so-called "mining rigs" operated by "miners".  Bitcoin miners compete among themselves to add the next transaction block to the overall Bitcoin blockchain.  This is done by "hashing" - bundling all Bitcoin transactions occurring over the past ten minutes and trying to encrypt them into a block of data that also coincidentally has a certain number of consecutive zeros in it.  Most trial blocks generated by a miner's hashing effort don't have this target number of zeros, so they make a slight change and try again.  A billion attempts to find this "winning" block is called a "gigahash", with a mining rig being rated by how many gigahashes it can perform in a second, denoted by "GH/sec".   A winning miner who is first to generate the next needle-in-a-haystack, cryptographically-correct Bitcoin block receives a reward of 50 newly-mined Bitcoins - a reward worth, at the time of this writing, around $50,000.   This competition among miners, with its hefty reward, repeats itself over and over and over every ten minutes or so - by early 2014 generating rewards of over 7000 bitcoins per day worth around $7 million dollars per day.

With so much money at stake, miners have supported a blistering arms race in mining rig technology to better their odds of winning.  Originally Bitcoins were mined using the central processing unit (CPU) of a typical desktop computer.  Then the specialized graphics processing unit (GPU) chips in high-end video cards were used to increase speeds.   Field programmable gate array (FPGA) chips were pressed into service next, followed by mining rigs specialized application specific integrated circuits (ASIC) chips.  ASIC technology is the top of the line for Bitcoin miners, but the arms race continues with various generations of ASIC chips now coming into service.  The current generation of ASIC chips are the so-called 65nm units, based on the size of their microscopic transistors in nanometers.  These are due to be replaced by 28nm ASICs in early-2014 and 20nm units by mid-2014.   An example of an upcoming state-of-the-art mining rig would be a Butterfly Labs "Monarch" 28nm ASIC card, which is to provide 600GH/sec for an electricity consumption of 350 watts and a price of $2100.  On the horizon is a card from Hashblaster slated to have three 20nm ASIC chips providing 3300 GH/sec for 1800 watts of power consumption.  Most operational mining rigs will probably be upgraded to this standard of performance and efficiency by mid-2014.

The mining rig infrastructure currently in place to support ongoing Bitcoin operations is astounding.  Bitcoin ASICs are idiot savants - they are able to do only the Bitcoin block calculation and nothing more, but they can do that one calculation at supercomputer speeds.  In November 2013, Forbes magazine ran an article entitled, "Global Bitcoin Computing Power Now 256 Times Faster Than Top 500 Supercomputers, Combined!".  In mid January 2014, statistics maintained at blockchain.info showed that ongoing support of Bitcoin operations required a continuous hash rate of around 18 million GH/sec.  During an day of 86,400 seconds, this means around 1.5 trillion trial blocks were generated and rejected by Bitcoin miners looking for the magic 144 blocks that would net them $7 million.  Thus around 99.99999999 % of all Bitcoin computation go not to curing cancer by modeling DNA or searching for radio signals from E.T - instead, they are totally wasted computations.  

The power and cost involved in this wasteful background miner support of Bitcoin is enormous.  If all Bitcoin mining rigs had "Monarch" levels of capability as described above - which they will not, until they are upgraded - they would represent a pool of 30,000 machines costing over $63 million and consuming over 10 megawatts of continuous power while running up an electricity bill of over $3.5 million per day.  The real numbers are significantly higher for the current, less-efficient mining rig pool of machines actually supporting Bitcoin today.  And these numbers are currently headed upward in an exponential growth curve as Bitcoin marches from its current one transaction per second to its current maximum of seven transactions per second.
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January 14, 2014, 08:13:27 PM
Last edit: January 16, 2014, 04:18:17 PM by fehen
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Hi!

And add my site))
 
 www.nxtgirl.ru

I also cook a group on social networks right now))

NXT 7584597327275124439

Thank!

People want to see boobs))))))))

Will?

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January 14, 2014, 08:15:15 PM
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Add me please...

NXT en Español (NXT in Spanish)
https://www.facebook.com/NXTesp

I created on December 28, 2013 and remains updated!

NXT: 9415965710853847055

nice logo and up to date!
Thank you!

After I have other projects are not yet published. The most important is an automated pool. I started with the idea on 24 December.
I will not post images because the title does not even define it.
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January 14, 2014, 08:16:02 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412878.0

Thoughts on Ethereum?

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January 14, 2014, 08:16:40 PM
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2. S3MKi
http://vk.com/cryptonxt (about 2400 followers)

Voting for him (got much more followers in comparison with orhers)

this effort should be funded with at least 50% of the funds

Agree. Someone should create a poll.

ok I will organnize it give me some time to gather information.

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January 14, 2014, 08:18:58 PM
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All,

If you have “PROVEN” social media running and you did not have won reward in any other category, you can fill in your project in this document, it will be online 24h, site or page must be running from before 3th January.

I personaly will check each page or site

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsrKGhOkVcFpdDdxVFVhNWJxcE05a2VEc1MyR0E0OGc&usp=sharing

fill in your BTT username, link, account number

prices will be:

1) 20,000
2) 10,000
3) 5,000
4) 5,000
5) 5,000
6) 5,000

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January 14, 2014, 08:22:10 PM
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It uses PoW. It's like iPhone 3 when most of guys use iPhone 5 (iPhone 4 is PoW+PoS hybrids).
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January 14, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
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What's the smallest worthwhile amount to get of nxt for an investment? I've got 16 LTC, not much.

Calculate the chance of hitting a bitcoin block when solo mining at
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January 14, 2014, 08:26:49 PM
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Hi,

I think we should pay attention to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTPQKyAq-DM

1:22:40 - 1:30:25

Specifically 1:22:40 - 1:23:13 and 1:30:10 - 1:30:25

Andreas speaks about anonymity  in the core protocol before it goes mainstream.
and at 1:29:38 he describes basically the nxt mixer...? only that he's talking about bitcoin Wink

so with the mixing service, if I send you Nxt, it will go to the mixer, then from the mixer it comes to you. Others won't be able to know those  coins are from me. And you will know they are from me by.... some magical encryption Cheesy

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January 14, 2014, 08:34:00 PM
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It uses PoW. It's like iPhone 3 when most of guys use iPhone 5 (iPhone 4 is PoW+PoS hybrids).

For the initial concept, I agree with Cfb that NXT's POS is just more elegant than this modified POW design. They may have been too much influenced by the asic miner cartel to think out of the box.

But there is an interesting debate between Dan from BitShares and Charles from Ethererum here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412878.msg4509322#msg4509322 whose main issue is whether we go for a mega blockchain or separate blockchains for different applications. I think Luc and Cfb are well aware of the issue of how much of a load our bockchain can take. We may have to prioritize most important applications to put on top of our protocol.

Given the mixing issue, I would suggest to have service providers to open coin mixing services instead of having a mixer at low level protocol. It may cause a heavier burden for the blockchain than what we can get in benefit.

 


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January 14, 2014, 08:40:39 PM
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and at 1:29:38 he describes basically the nxt mixer...? only that he's talking about bitcoin Wink

he's talking about the idea. Nxt was created from the ideas of BCNext. Our duty is to build from these ideas a product that will be used in every family all over the world
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January 14, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
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Avatar Creator and Signature Creator

Hey guys,

we from NXTarea.com created an avatar & signature creator. We currently have 5 designs for both. You can enter nicknames or text up to 16 symbols. The avatar size is 100x100, the signature size is 300x80. Smiley

This is to promote NXT further though the world wide web. We have to bring the NXT logo to everyone. Smiley

Currently avatars are deactivated on Bitcointalk.org because of the recent hack. I'm sure this will change in the future!

The avatar size on nextcoin.org is 65x65, not very nice. If someone want to contact the admin please do it, to change it to 100x100.

On forums.nxtcrypto.org it isn't allowed to use a .png avatar. I created a thread to let it changed. So please contribute to the thread! Smiley

Thank you very much.
To the Image Creator!

Okay guys! Smiley

I changed a few lines and now the avatar and signature are being saved as .gif! The quality isn't that good anymore, but forums.nxtcrypto.org couldn't allow the standard format .png on their forums. So I have to adapt. Smiley

If you want to see other options just say it. Wink

HAVE FUN. Smiley

Here are all possible variations:

Avatar:






Signature:






I hope you like them. Smiley

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January 14, 2014, 08:41:42 PM
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What's the smallest worthwhile amount to get of nxt for an investment? I've got 16 LTC, not much.

Is just up to you. Speaking about percentage profit is the same if you buy 1NxT or 100,000NxT.

Take in mind that NxT is the first and the only one 100% PoS currency  Grin
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January 14, 2014, 08:45:25 PM
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We were working to sort out the tax for such a service in Ireland unfortunately for now it seems we will not be able to convince the tax office to not charge VAT on crypto currencies.
I regret to say that the exchange will be postponed until we have clearer statement from the revenue.

I wanted to do it for nxt even with a risk of losing some money but when there are legal issues it becomes even harder..

disappointing!!

Have you considered doing it this way?   Wink

We want to make it as legal as possible.
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January 14, 2014, 08:49:31 PM
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I hope you like them. Smiley
nice service! I like it Wink
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