NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[jl777]

Hi everyone, I see you are researching what to do with funds allowed to NXT developpement .
And this is an ecological way where we need some help,

Do you think its interesting ?

Creation of a Network of farm decentralized in permaculture with cheap ecological habitation, autarkic alimentation and energy, spinning off into subsidiaries every half year to grow into community connected by NXT, that could be the central tool of a new society.

To enter NXT into solid existance.

Pay your vegetables, your honey, your fruits, with your NXT.
Live on fertile land and common, in your individual cheap eco-home,
Participate with the creation of a common house, general technological quarters of your eco-foundation.
Form new groups following the same idea of decentralized system, who want to live in their optimate autarcy, always connected to NXT;
And allow them access to land, to the financing of their ecological agricultural project.

We are at the beginning of the creation of decentralized  farming :
•   the economical gestion of a common wallet filled by the artisan and farmer members, and exterior part-takers;
•   Decisions are taken in a democratic way : for exemple : draw out treasurers and leader of groups, or : the coolest project is accepted by members.
•   The food and energy is re-distributed

NXT is achieved to permet all of that.

We will sell products with NXT, services, allowing advantages never seen before for all community NXT.

Participate the most solidary and exciting experience.
Build with us decentralized farm network, that belong to you.
Free to come to the place following availability, free to participate with breaking up  into subsidiaries of our civilisation that go to the earth, and that breaks intermediarie, that parasiting the development of the common good.
Discution and vote, purpose to NXT will be major tools.

We need:
Some financement, between 75k NXT and 500k NXT for land (we’ve already got some lands), and for 50 persons in a first time.

We offer:
The possibility for all members of the greatest decentralized community to take part of the society decentralized and the most advance marketing :  proof by exemple that a network of autarkic decentralized community by the  draw democratie, or the vote of the majority of the popular idea and not political grups. NXT is the central pillar of this transition, that permit the transparance of groups economie, and allow to put togeterh money, that helps to go back to eco-site by vote of member.

Are you saying that for 75000 nxt you will be able to create a real world sanctuary for all nxt stakeholders?
Nxt woild be the first crypto with its own village.
What will you call this place and where will it be located?

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[rickyjames]

Any feedback from the Zerocoin people?

Personally I think that implementing ZC will bring more attention than many other things (and something that I think most others are simply not going to have the guts to do).

The attention might not be all good of course - but I think the Nxt community is perhaps a little braver than others in this regard.

Also perhaps the point should be being made to the ZC guys about how difficult it is to actually launch a new coin (especially in the current market) and whether they really want to do that rather than working with others such as Nxt that are keen to incorporate their baby.

I am trying to contact them via phone.  So far no luck this weekend.  I will try again on Monday after the Super Bowl.

[opticalcarrier]

does anyone have issues wit BTER?  I deposited 2 days ago and still doesnt show up.  I emailed them and they asked for proof and I sent that yesterday, but nothing else back from them.

[salsacz]

does anyone have issues wit BTER?  I deposited 2 days ago and still doesnt show up.  I emailed them and they asked for proof and I sent that yesterday, but nothing else back from them.

sure, it is 6 days and 12 hours now

[salsacz]

Who would like to speak at the Lets talk Bitcoin show?

Who would like to speak at the http://www.cryptocurrencyconvention.com/ in New York? (- not the April event)

PLZ Help me make contact w/ #nextcoin creator.Hosting The Crypto Currency Convention n NYC.We want them to speak and promote #NXT

bumpity bump, brooklynbtc already said yes for New York, but maybe there could be more devs too

bump

[DLXS]

Is BCNext saying he's figured out how to PRUNE THE BLOCKCHAIN TO USER BALANCE INFO ONLY...IN REAL TIME?

Why not? The difference between us and Bitcoin is that we don't actually have coins, only balances.

So exactly how much transactions you want to retain and how much to archive is somewhat arbitrary, you can do it monthly.

Also the 1000 TPS level is so sky high, we shouldn't even worry about it yet. Bitcoin is 4 years old and still works with its 7 TPS.

Wouldn't this make it totally annonymous -at least til the last X amount of time- ?

[EvilDave]

Hi everyone, I see you are researching what to do with funds allowed to NXT developpement .
And this is an ecological way where we need some help,

Do you think its interesting ?

Creation of a Network of farm decentralized in permaculture with cheap ecological habitation, autarkic alimentation and energy, spinning off into subsidiaries every half year to grow into community connected by NXT, that could be the central tool of a new society.

To enter NXT into solid existance.

Pay your vegetables, your honey, your fruits, with your NXT.
Live on fertile land and common, in your individual cheap eco-home,
Participate with the creation of a common house, general technological quarters of your eco-foundation.
Form new groups following the same idea of decentralized system, who want to live in their optimate autarcy, always connected to NXT;
And allow them access to land, to the financing of their ecological agricultural project.

We are at the beginning of the creation of decentralized  farming :
•   the economical gestion of a common wallet filled by the artisan and farmer members, and exterior part-takers;
•   Decisions are taken in a democratic way : for exemple : draw out treasurers and leader of groups, or : the coolest project is accepted by members.
•   The food and energy is re-distributed

NXT is achieved to permet all of that.

We will sell products with NXT, services, allowing advantages never seen before for all community NXT.

Participate the most solidary and exciting experience.
Build with us decentralized farm network, that belong to you.
Free to come to the place following availability, free to participate with breaking up  into subsidiaries of our civilisation that go to the earth, and that breaks intermediarie, that parasiting the development of the common good.
Discution and vote, purpose to NXT will be major tools.

We need:
Some financement, between 75k NXT and 500k NXT for land (we’ve already got some lands), and for 50 persons in a first time.

We offer:
The possibility for all members of the greatest decentralized community to take part of the society decentralized and the most advance marketing :  proof by exemple that a network of autarkic decentralized community by the  draw democratie, or the vote of the majority of the popular idea and not political grups. NXT is the central pillar of this transition, that permit the transparance of groups economie, and allow to put togeterh money, that helps to go back to eco-site by vote of member.

I'm going to piss on your parade here....why does an anarchist/permaculture commune specifically need money from NXT ?
U want land, take land, defend it and build on it.
U don't need money, u can build a better community without it.
My advice to to you is, u already have land, so build something and then show it to us in some real way, and don't forget to try asking in other places,
NEM looks like a good fit for u:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.0;topicseen
U can get stakes for your whole community, if u like.
 

[pinarello]

I'm going to piss on your parade here....why does an anarchist/permaculture commune specifically need money from NXT ?
U want land, take land, defend it and build on it.
U don't need money, u can build a better community without it.
My advice to to you is, u already have land, so build something and then show it to us in some real way, and don't forget to try asking in other places,
NEM looks like a good fit for u:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.0;topicseen
U can get stakes steaks for your whole community, if u like.
 

no prolem, you are welcome

[TwinWinNerD]

Daily Update of NXT Top Account distribution:





Data can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtzyrOvYCfTTdEphdjBHNlNUMVZZUXd2RmlNVDRiUWc&usp=sharing

Includes the 2 big Exchange accounts: 10715382765594435905 and 12292439833850569026 and 16386134630970163904

Summary of the day: Today the DGEX reserve account sent 30.000.000 NXT to the acc# 16386134630970163904. I am not 100% sure it is a coldstorage account, but it sue looks that way. That movement kicked out another 3mio account, that explains the changes in % distribution.

[tooroth]

does anyone have issues wit BTER?  I deposited 2 days ago and still doesnt show up.  I emailed them and they asked for proof and I sent that yesterday, but nothing else back from them.

sure, it is 6 days and 12 hours now

Hi,

try to click the sync button of the coin in your account.

It works the most times

[NxtChg]

What we need are clients with built-in random password generators that display a 50 character random password on the screen and disables the cut and paste to force users to write it down and type it back in later.

That's granted, what I suggest is an additional measure of security. Can't be too safe.

[rickyjames]

Frankly, we should be using the 10 mil for as many required expenses as possible. Isn't there some uncertainty of what will happen to those unclaimed funds if a consensus hasn't been met by the community by april, (says CfB?) So why dont we just come to agreement one bit at a time and see whats left when april or whenever comes.

On the 3rd of April I'll send the unclaimed coins to the genesis block. U should come to a consensus by that time, if u need this money.

Let me say "NO" very loudly.  NO!
Burning a very big pile of money is not a good idea. I will cry.....

I would like to see the unclaimed coins used for something useful, so my first 3 ideas are:

(selfish idea)
Distribute the coins into the NXT community. There are lots of guys, like me ,who have given NXT a lot of support over the last couple of months but are not exactly NXT-rich.  !0 mill could make a lot of NXTers very happy. Especially me.....

(non-selfish idea)
Give it to charity. Just think of the publicity....crypto-anarchists give away a million dollars!

(good for the future idea)
My personal favourite: Get the remainder of the unclaimed coins forging, and use that forging income to help fund a carbon-offset program to make NXT very, very green. Again, much publicity, much love!

I'm going to do some more thinking about the carbon-offset idea today, so don't debate it yet.
I've posted some very rough numbers last night, and I should be able to have a fairly complete proposal in a couple of days.
Could someone give me estimates of the forging income from 10 megaNXT, both now and in a years time?

These are all ideas which could be discussed in the community. Where is the voting thread? Maybe there are not enough options to discuss. Let us first discuss, which can be done. Not in detail, just some roughly points.

edit: There it is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423241.20
edit: And https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418695.0

For the record, I'll repeat here what I said over there as just some rough points.....

I would like to see the 9M unclaimed NXT joining the 2M NXT that I am already safeguarding in the NXTcommunityfund account.  I am already a trustworthy steward of a large amount of NXT, and I would be a trustworthy steward of an even larger amount of NXT.  

I am a top 50 NXT stakeholder.  I bought in big with my own cash in mid-December because I believe in NXT.  I want this currency to succeed.  And I want to see these 9M NXT  funds used to make that happen.  I know I don't have all the answers on how to wisely spend 9M NXT.  I do know I'll dig for facts and listen to anybody with a good idea and try my best to be fair in making good decisions as part of a team.  I think those factors qualify me to be a part, and only a part, of deciding the future of NXT.

Plus, I am in no hurry to spend it.  NXT is in for the long haul.  There will be future emergencies and choices.  We need a war chest to deal with bad times and flexibility to seize future opportunities.  Once this 9M NXT is gone...it's gone.  Think long term.

9M unclaimed NXT to NXTcommunityfund.  That's my proposal.

Where else specifically would you put it?  Because it's got to go somewhere specific between now and April 3...or it disappears forever.

[NxtChg]

Don't rob me of my stereotypes!  

More importantly, don't ruin our fun Sunday with your cynical bitterness 

That's what Mondays are for.

[NxtChg]

Wouldn't this make it totally annonymous -at least til the last X amount of time- ?

It would, if you could truncate blockchain remotely on all computers that ever downloaded it

[jl777]

Does anybody know who did the poloniex exchange?
Also who was it that did that awesome set of nxt statistics about a week ago?

[Asian Prepper]

Speaking of upcoming conference in Austin, since I live here I can order t-shirts for attendants and meet them before the conference. Do we have a list of people who are going to Austin so I can contact them to have their sizes? I can also print other stuff like business cards, flyers etc.

I want to get both business cards and flyers printed for Austin but I wanted to see what got made for Berlin first.  I am really interested in a black NXT T shirt but if I'm speaking I may wear something a little more formal.  I have posted my hotel and flight info in previous posts and would love to have a meet up with you and anybody else that comes on Tues night before the conference.  

My buddy Leon Fu and I will be there also and can definitely meetup.  I'm currently working on a sales/marketing presentation that will benefit everyone at the conference and not just nxt since I'm not qualified to speak about the technical aspects of nxt.  If I get approved to speak, i will let everyone know.  I was able to get my colleague to speak at the San Jose Conference so I don't see it being a challenge to get on stage.

Image is everything so we plan on dressing "formal" as well and NOT show up in a t-shirt and hoody.

Tai Zen

[Damelon]

For the record, I'll repeat here what I said over there as just some rough points.....

I would like to see the 9M unclaimed NXT joining the 2M NXT that I am already safeguarding in the NXTcommunityfund account.  I am already a trustworthy steward of a large amount of NXT, and I would be a trustworthy steward of an even larger amount of NXT.  

I am a top 50 NXT stakeholder.  I bought in big with my own cash in mid-December because I believe in NXT.  I want this currency to succeed.  And I want to see these 9M NXT  funds used to make that happen.  I know I don't have all the answers on how to wisely spend 9M NXT.  I do know I'll dig for facts and listen to anybody with a good idea and try my best to be fair in making good decisions as part of a team.  I think those factors qualify me to be a part, and only a part, of deciding the future of NXT.

Plus, I am in no hurry to spend it.  NXT is in for the long haul.  There will be future emergencies and choices.  We need a war chest to deal with bad times and flexibility to seize future opportunities.  Once this 9M NXT is gone...it's gone.  Think long term.

9M unclaimed NXT to NXTcommunityfund.  That's my proposal.

Where else specifically would you put it?  Because it's got to go somewhere specific between now and April 3...or it disappears forever.

Much as I appreciate your work, I would hesitate to have ALL funding under the care of one person.
You already and wisely made a contingency plan in case something happened to you. This is good.

I don't see how "not being in a hurry to spend it" is an argument, as other people aren't either.
Most, if not all, people who are being considered for the committee think long term.

I think this proposal is muddying the water at this time.

If all goes well, we will have TWO warchests, spreading the effort and risk.

Seems to me that is good.

Edit: this is my post in the committee thread with a clearer account of my views on it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=445209.msg4901770#msg4901770

[CrazyEyes]

This is a complete setup script that installs (asking the user) all the necessary applications (java and such) as well as downloads, verifies and installs latest version of nxt client.

https://github.com/jobbet/nxt

root@ethereum:/home/jb/nxt# ./nxt_install
Usage: nxt_install {install|update}
root@ethereum:/home/jb/nxt# ./nxt_install install
Missing package dependencies, would you like this script to try and install these packages? (y/n): y
nxt client root directory contain files. If you want to overwrite this, issue an update.
root@ethereum:/home/jb/nxt# ./nxt_install update
NXT-Client is stopped.
Downloading nxt-client-0.5.9.zip from http://download.nxtcrypto.org..done.
Downloading nxt-client-0.5.9.zip shasum signature..done.
Verifying /usr/bin/sha256sum for nxt-client-0.5.9.zip..done.
NXT-Client is started.
Update done.
root@ethereum:/home/jb/nxt#

----------------------------------------------------------------

root@ethereum:/home/jb/nxt# ./nxt_install install
Missing package dependencies, would you like this script to try and install these packages? (y/n): y
Creating nxt client root directory.. done.
Downloading nxt-client-0.5.9.zip from http://download.nxtcrypto.org..done.
Downloading nxt-client-0.5.9.zip shasum signature..done.
Verifying /usr/bin/sha256sum for nxt-client-0.5.9.zip..done.
Installation done. Start nxt client with /etc/init.d/nxtclient start, then browse https://localhost:7875
Be sure accept incoming tcp traffic to port 7874, else nxt client will not be able to communicate with p2p network.

Feel free to msg me about bug fixes and bloated/ugly code.


Regards
j0b on #nxtalk @irc.freenode.net

[POPPP]

Hi everyone, I see you are researching what to do with funds allowed to NXT developpement .
And this is an ecological way where we need some help,

Do you think its interesting ?

Creation of a Network of farm decentralized in permaculture with cheap ecological habitation, autarkic alimentation and energy, spinning off into subsidiaries every half year to grow into community connected by NXT, that could be the central tool of a new society.

To enter NXT into solid existance.

Pay your vegetables, your honey, your fruits, with your NXT.
Live on fertile land and common, in your individual cheap eco-home,
Participate with the creation of a common house, general technological quarters of your eco-foundation.
Form new groups following the same idea of decentralized system, who want to live in their optimate autarcy, always connected to NXT;
And allow them access to land, to the financing of their ecological agricultural project.

We are at the beginning of the creation of decentralized  farming :
•   the economical gestion of a common wallet filled by the artisan and farmer members, and exterior part-takers;
•   Decisions are taken in a democratic way : for exemple : draw out treasurers and leader of groups, or : the coolest project is accepted by members.
•   The food and energy is re-distributed

NXT is achieved to permet all of that.

We will sell products with NXT, services, allowing advantages never seen before for all community NXT.

Participate the most solidary and exciting experience.
Build with us decentralized farm network, that belong to you.
Free to come to the place following availability, free to participate with breaking up  into subsidiaries of our civilisation that go to the earth, and that breaks intermediarie, that parasiting the development of the common good.
Discution and vote, purpose to NXT will be major tools.

We need:
Some financement, between 75k NXT and 500k NXT for land (we’ve already got some lands), and for 50 persons in a first time.

We offer:
The possibility for all members of the greatest decentralized community to take part of the society decentralized and the most advance marketing :  proof by exemple that a network of autarkic decentralized community by the  draw democratie, or the vote of the majority of the popular idea and not political grups. NXT is the central pillar of this transition, that permit the transparance of groups economie, and allow to put togeterh money, that helps to go back to eco-site by vote of member.

Are you saying that for 75000 nxt you will be able to create a real world sanctuary for all nxt stakeholders?
Nxt woild be the first crypto with its own village.
What will you call this place and where will it be located?

75000 NXT is the large minimum in rural France to make possible to buy land and allow autarkic life for a first group, maximum 10 personns will be able to live on place.
I think making a village is wonderfull proof about the sustainability system.
NXT can allow the transition.

I'm going to piss on your parade here....why does an anarchist/permaculture commune specifically need money from NXT ?
U want land, take land, defend it and build on it.
U don't need money, u can build a better community without it.
My advice to to you is, u already have land, so build something and then show it to us in some real way, and don't forget to try asking in other places:
NEM looks like a good fit for u:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.0;topicseen
U can get stakes for your whole community, if u like.
 

It's hard to explain that here, but why NXT is a perfect tool for an anarchy community ? Do you really think we live without monney ? Do you really think € is better than NXT here ?
If i need €, I must work and sell, pay taxes, a lot of taxe. I'm lonely, too weak.
But if I don't sell, and i distribute for FREE or with NXT community the elementary product like vegetable, can i proove for everyone'eyes that NXT is a better way to live ? All my constraint job will be softest.   
I dont want to use € any more...

Why we need to support NXT rather than € ? Because NXT is a real decentralized community, not Euro...
What is making possible to live in permaculture community swarming for conquer other land connected by the same vision of decentralized society ?
With NXT, we are able to communicate through space in the same time we can make transactions.
We need to communicate into a community world.
We can have a transparant common wallet, which is more easy for a group, than €...


We want to make society transition. When will you understand that will become in rural with the soil, earth.
 What is the really dream behind cryptocurrency ? 
NXT is not just here for making you richest than before.
Cryptocurrency is a huge revolution in a world who need to be decentralized...

And about your advice, i'm already self sufficient  farmer but, like i said, lonely, nothing can happen.

[NxtChg]

Those funds should not be in central control of one person.

+1. That's just common sense.