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Question: Will China go to war with Japan?
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December 12, 2013, 09:47:56 AM
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For western nations, I am seeing a trend that is decidedly against immigration. Within the next decade or two, immigration will be severely curtailed, and many so-called 'immigrants' who have absolutely no reason to respect the nation of their residence will face a choice: Be removed by force, or leave of their own free will.

I don't think so. On the other hand, I see the migration policies getting more and more liberalized.

The EU has almost finalized its plans to import 50 million African workers:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/65628/Secret-plot-to-let-50million-African-workers-into-EU

The US on the other-hand, is going to legalize some 20 million+ illegal immigrants.

The only nation which has so far violently reacted to illegal immigration (Russia) has significantly eased its policy since 2010.

For US, no such deal has passed the congress and had government consent. There are attempts, but I guarantee that criminal elements which plague the streets will change their faces within the next decade or two.

It may sound incredulous, but people are seeing reality instead of pipedreams now. The economic recession might actually have been a good dose of shock to people here in US which forced many people to realize  we must make some changes as to who we call 'Americans'.



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December 12, 2013, 03:29:21 PM
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For western nations, I am seeing a trend that is decidedly against immigration. Within the next decade or two, immigration will be severely curtailed, and many so-called 'immigrants' who have absolutely no reason to respect the nation of their residence will face a choice: Be removed by force, or leave of their own free will.

I don't think so. On the other hand, I see the migration policies getting more and more liberalized.

The EU has almost finalized its plans to import 50 million African workers:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/65628/Secret-plot-to-let-50million-African-workers-into-EU

The US on the other-hand, is going to legalize some 20 million+ illegal immigrants.

The only nation which has so far violently reacted to illegal immigration (Russia) has significantly eased its policy since 2010.

Did you knew that this article is from 2008?
Also , just a quick view on the main page where you can see 20 titles with disaster , apocalypse and you'll realize what kind of paper you're quoting there.

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December 12, 2013, 04:16:14 PM
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It may sound incredulous, but people are seeing reality instead of pipedreams now. The economic recession might actually have been a good dose of shock to people here in US which forced many people to realize  we must make some changes as to who we call 'Americans'.

Yes, I agree... you should stop calling those that caused the recession 'Americans'... Tongue

In relation to the illegal immigrants, give them a chance; they might actually be useful.

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December 12, 2013, 04:51:24 PM
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Did you knew that this article is from 2008?
Also , just a quick view on the main page where you can see 20 titles with disaster , apocalypse and you'll realize what kind of paper you're quoting there.

I agree that there is some amount of exaggeration. But it is no secret that right now that more than 1 million Somalis live in the EU. I am not talking about Nigerians, Kenyans.etc. Just the Somalis alone number more than 1 million.

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December 15, 2013, 07:12:24 AM
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Did you knew that this article is from 2008?
Also , just a quick view on the main page where you can see 20 titles with disaster , apocalypse and you'll realize what kind of paper you're quoting there.

I agree that there is some amount of exaggeration. But it is no secret that right now that more than 1 million Somalis live in the EU. I am not talking about Nigerians, Kenyans.etc. Just the Somalis alone number more than 1 million.

I wonder why most somalis go to northern europe - finland and scandinavia.
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December 15, 2013, 08:18:39 AM
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Did you knew that this article is from 2008?
Also , just a quick view on the main page where you can see 20 titles with disaster , apocalypse and you'll realize what kind of paper you're quoting there.

I agree that there is some amount of exaggeration. But it is no secret that right now that more than 1 million Somalis live in the EU. I am not talking about Nigerians, Kenyans.etc. Just the Somalis alone number more than 1 million.

I wonder why most somalis go to northern europe - finland and scandinavia.

Most people in the world see the northern countries as safe heavens. Also there is some kind of myth that you get enough social welfare even without working.
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December 15, 2013, 01:47:34 PM
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I wonder why most somalis go to northern europe - finland and scandinavia.

Finland doesn't have that much of a problem. The immigration laws are pretty toothless there too, but not as much as it is in Sweden.

Sweden on the other-hand is definitely lost. I don't have a problem if the Swedes want to replace the local population with Somalis. But my problem is that Swedish envoys always pressure other nations (especially Italy and Denmark) to relax their immigration rules. Swedish EU ministers have blasted the Italian policy of deporting asylum seekers to Libya, and last year they even threatened to fine Italy a few billion Euros for the same.

Sweden is every Somali's eternal dream. Just take a look here. No need to say anything more.

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December 17, 2013, 11:13:04 PM
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China's population is rapidly ageing (so is Japan's, but the same can't be said about the US). If they want to start a war, then they should do it now.

Right now the number of Chinese male citizens reaching military age annually is 10,406,544. This can decline in the future.
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December 18, 2013, 09:10:56 AM
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Dude, haven't you seen Code Geass?

Nope. I don't watch Japanese anime that frequently. What's it about?

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December 18, 2013, 10:01:43 AM
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It's about this son of an emperor who uses this hypnotic power to fight against an empire as a terrorist, really great story but as usual with these things they ruin it with stupid OP superpowers ( the hypnosis ) and alternate dimensions ( they all have those ridiculous endings where they fight each other in some weird alternate dimension ) Sad.

Stargate suffered from that exact same problem and if you see any story writer immediately resort to time travel or alternate dimensions that means they're usually desperately digging for plotholes to continue the story or bring back peoples' favourite characters from the dead. The best one I had seen though was in Gundam where you have this guy the fans liked a lot as a character getting killed and then in the second season he suddenly gains an unmentioned twin brother who looks exactly like him and the whole cast sort of goes "Oh right you're back" as if I'm supposed to just completely ignore it and pretend the character didn't die >_<.

oops, went off into a rant about storylines that get ruined for the sake of a continued series and to appease a fanbase Cheesy
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December 18, 2013, 10:04:24 AM
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Dude, haven't you seen Code Geass?

Nope. I don't watch Japanese anime that frequently. What's it about?

They have robot armies in it. UAV are todays pilot test of what is to come. With robots who needs a lot of people?
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December 18, 2013, 11:43:43 AM
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They have robot armies in it. UAV are todays pilot test of what is to come. With robots who needs a lot of people?

Right now robots are not capable of doing all the maneuvers which the humans are capable of. They can only play a supporting role in the war zone. May be in 10-15 years it will be possible to replace regular armies with robots.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww Cheesy you were saying?
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They have robot armies in it. UAV are todays pilot test of what is to come. With robots who needs a lot of people?

Right now robots are not capable of doing all the maneuvers which the humans are capable of. They can only play a supporting role in the war zone. May be in 10-15 years it will be possible to replace regular armies with robots.
Dude, it is here today!

Check to first minute or so of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zP7yP8hdLE CheesyCheesy:D
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War would not benefit China in the slightest. They've got enough shit to worry about at home (most of china being either smog ridden or in poverty). Going to war doesn't make any sense, especially if you end up destroying or being destroyed by a valuable trade partner.
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War would not benefit China in the slightest. They've got enough shit to worry about at home (most of china being either smog ridden or in poverty). Going to war doesn't make any sense, especially if you end up destroying or being destroyed by a valuable trade partner.

That's exactly why Germany started the WWII. They had got too much shit to worry about at home, and the blitzkrieg war was probably the only path for the power clique (at least they thought so) to slip out from the inevitable bankruptcy of the state and its socialistic policy...

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That's exactly why Germany started the WWII. They had got too much shit to worry about at home, and the blitzkrieg war was probably the only path for the power clique (at least they thought so) to slip out from the inevitable bankruptcy of the state and its socialistic policy...

Just a few days ago two dozen or so died in ethnic clashes inside China (Xinjiang province). Tibetans are protesting against the regime for many months now. The ethnic Chinese themselves are protesting against the corruption committed by the top officials. The conditions are now ripe.

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December 18, 2013, 08:53:36 PM
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That's exactly why Germany started the WWII. They had got too much shit to worry about at home, and the blitzkrieg war was probably the only path for the power clique (at least they thought so) to slip out from the inevitable bankruptcy of the state and its socialistic policy...

Just a few days ago two dozen or so died in ethnic clashes inside China (Xinjiang province). Tibetans are protesting against the regime for many months now. The ethnic Chinese themselves are protesting against the corruption committed by the top officials. The conditions are now ripe.

I agree that there is a real risk of war, whether it will be between China and Japan or other countries is hard to say. As I see it war is not a long term beneficial investment, but I do believe that some factions in China see it that way. Especially starting with smaller clashes.

There are several reasons for why China would want at least a smaller war:

(1) hubris
(2) increasing international clout (the Philippines come to mind)
(3) using a common enemy to distract people at home from problems
(4) want of an empire

But I consider it almost equally likely that the declining hegemon (the US) would like to go to war with China (going through a proxy like Japan or Taiwan is one way to do it). In fact if the US managed to cut off China from a lot of international trade it would benefit immensely, because it could still get cheap manufacturing goods from other countries it has more control over. Additionally, increasing military spending is a great way to turn around the economy (like the US did in WW2).

However, I doubt China will be involved in a war soon. However within years it is not unlikely. How many I have no idea of.
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December 19, 2013, 03:04:34 AM
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Dude, haven't you seen Code Geass?

Nope. I don't watch Japanese anime that frequently. What's it about?

They have robot armies in it. UAV are todays pilot test of what is to come. With robots who needs a lot of people?

The human form is not designed for fighting.
That's why we have tanks with tracks , planes with turbines not flapping wings and subs with no tails.
So , no giant robots fighting!

Also , even the UAV right now , they are unmmaned , but they need a person guiding them from the base.

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You now chinas military size is over 4,500,000
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