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January 02, 2014, 02:03:30 PM
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LOOOL
Do you guys still live in the dark ages?
Numbers alone don't matter anymore , it's technology.
And the jsdf is fair superior to china and their rusted Russian bathtub.

Yeah, numbers don't matter anymore, unless these are nuclear warheads. Who is living in the dark ages really?

Do you actually think that an authority which didn't care a damn thing about starving to death a few tens of millions of their own population would care much more about wiping off any number of people they consider between themselves as their worst enemies?

Before  pushing the buttons they will think what is going to happen if they turn a conventional war in a nuclear one.
It's far more likely that they will be the ones nuked by every other nuclear power , with the sole reason to make sure nobody is using them again in the future.

Actually, they don't ever need to turn a conventional war into a nuclear one, suffice would it be to strike with conventional missiles to Japan's nuclear plants. The effect would then be even worse than direct nuking Japan...

As somebody that lived 600km away from Chernobyl , I can tell you that's one bad idea.
Aggression comes back to you gif needed here.

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January 02, 2014, 02:04:59 PM
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PS.
Why haven't India and Pakistan used their weapons until know?

Because they are not China. As simple as that. When there was a kind of coup d'etat in Pakistan a few years ago, it had become known that their nuclear weapons do not belong to them. I mean at least they don't control nuclear missiles (or whatever), that is, they may not actually push buttons, lol...

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January 02, 2014, 02:05:12 PM
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Guys, agreed. Nuclear warheads can change everything. But do you know one thing? China is not capable of striking any of the major Japanese cities with its nuclear weapons. Chinese missiles are not as capable as the Russian and American ones, while the Japanese air-defense systems are one of the best. No chance for the PLA. Sorry.  Grin

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January 02, 2014, 02:06:03 PM
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Also , I don't think Chinese rockets will hit Japan, if I look on how they fake everything , including btc volume , I doubt they have a flying one Smiley.

They've had a missile program since the 50s, and currently have an active space program. I'm pretty sure they know how to make rockets hit Japan.  Tongue

Yeah , buy them from the Russians. Smiley.


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January 02, 2014, 02:07:35 PM
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Yeah , buy them from the Russians. Smiley.

Know what? In 2012, the Russians refused to sell their S-300 air-defense batteries to China. Do you know the reason? They were afraid that the Chinese will plagiarize the Russian weapons.  Grin

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January 02, 2014, 02:08:53 PM
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PS.
Why haven't India and Pakistan used their weapons until know?

Because they are not China. As simple as that. When there was a kind of coup d'etat in Pakistan a few years ago, it had become known that their nuclear weapons do not belong to them. I mean at least they don't control nuclear missiles (or whatever), that is, they may not actually push buttons, lol...

No , they were fakes , Smiley)).
They tried to launch them but the Pakistani manning the slingshot have already fled to the UK.

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January 02, 2014, 02:09:57 PM
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Yeah, numbers don't matter anymore, unless these are nuclear warheads. Who is living in the dark ages really?

Do you actually think that an authority which didn't care a damn thing about starving to death a few tens of millions of their own population would care much more about wiping off any number of people they consider between themselves as their worst enemies?

Before  pushing the buttons they will think what is going to happen if they turn a conventional war in a nuclear one.
It's far more likely that they will be the ones nuked by every other nuclear power , with the sole reason to make sure nobody is using them again in the future.

Actually, they don't ever need to turn a conventional war into a nuclear one, suffice would it be to strike with conventional missiles to Japan's nuclear plants. The effect would then be even worse than direct nuking Japan...

As somebody that lived 600km away from Chernobyl , I can tell you that's one bad idea.
Aggression comes back to you gif needed here.

Now you should see that they can do even more damage without ever taking to nuclear attacks, right? Should they still be nuked by every other nuclear power out there?

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January 02, 2014, 02:14:17 PM
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Guys, agreed. Nuclear warheads can change everything. But do you know one thing? China is not capable of striking any of the major Japanese cities with its nuclear weapons. Chinese missiles are not as capable as the Russian and American ones, while the Japanese air-defense systems are one of the best. No chance for the PLA. Sorry.  Grin

They don't even need to hit any major Japanese cities with their nuclear weapons. it will be enough to blow some bombs near the Japanese shore (or in the air) to make the whole island a radioactive wasteland...

Chinese are already on the Moon (the third in history), and you say they can't hit a Japanese city, lol...

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January 02, 2014, 02:16:11 PM
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Yeah, numbers don't matter anymore, unless these are nuclear warheads. Who is living in the dark ages really?

Do you actually think that an authority which didn't care a damn thing about starving to death a few tens of millions of their own population would care much more about wiping off any number of people they consider between themselves as their worst enemies?

Before  pushing the buttons they will think what is going to happen if they turn a conventional war in a nuclear one.
It's far more likely that they will be the ones nuked by every other nuclear power , with the sole reason to make sure nobody is using them again in the future.

Actually, they don't ever need to turn a conventional war into a nuclear one, suffice would it be to strike with conventional missiles to Japan's nuclear plants. The effect would then be even worse than direct nuking Japan...

As somebody that lived 600km away from Chernobyl , I can tell you that's one bad idea.
Aggression comes back to you gif needed here.

Now you should see that they can do even more damage without ever taking to nuclear attacks, right? Should they still be nuked by every other nuclear power out there?

Lols, isn't this assumption making japan look even more dangerous to the chinese?
They too have now a way of unleashing nuclear bombs Smiley.
Blow up the chinese nuclear plants.  Have a origami bird fly into on of the reactors and bye bye China.

Now seriously , nobody gives a damn about China and their army.
It's one big fake , like the volume on btchina and now houbi or shubi or kyuubi how is it's name.

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January 02, 2014, 02:36:38 PM
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if that war was to break out. it would be the start of ww3. china is a power house. and if they put the manufacturing plants to warfare production. they could very well wipe japan off the map.

China's defence spending has doubled every year since 1989. If war broke out china would I blieve have plently of anti satellite missiles ready, that would really hurt the US/japan tech based warfare. 

A key element of China's defenses is its growing stockpile of ballistic and cruise missiles that have enough range to blanket much of Asia. its DF-21D "aircraft carrier killer" missile, That has a range of 3000 km and is specially designed to target the U.S. navy.




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January 02, 2014, 02:37:45 PM
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As somebody that lived 600km away from Chernobyl , I can tell you that's one bad idea.
Aggression comes back to you gif needed here.

Now you should see that they can do even more damage without ever taking to nuclear attacks, right? Should they still be nuked by every other nuclear power out there?

Lols, isn't this assumption making japan look even more dangerous to the chinese?
They too have now a way of unleashing nuclear bombs Smiley.
Blow up the chinese nuclear plants.  Have a origami bird fly into on of the reactors and bye bye China.

I don't think that even in this scenario some industrial zones in China would be far worse from what they are now. Also note that China's territory is the third largest in the world, and it would be so much different for them...


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January 02, 2014, 02:43:03 PM
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if that war was to break out. it would be the start of ww3. china is a power house. and if they put the manufacturing plants to warfare production. they could very well wipe japan off the map.

China's defence spending has doubled every year since 1989. If war broke out china would I blieve have plently of anti satellite missiles ready, that would really hurt the US/japan tech based warfare. 

A key element of China's defenses is its growing stockpile of ballistic and cruise missiles that have enough range to blanket much of Asia. its DF-21D "aircraft carrier killer" missile, That has a range of 3000 km and is specially designed to target the U.S. navy.






This is not ww2 and not ww1.
Those plants cant be changed to produce tanks instead of tractors. It's not that age anymore , they are designed for a specific purpose and rather that switching is cheaper and easier to build it from scratch.
Also , by the time the first new aircraft is finished the war will be long over.


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January 02, 2014, 02:45:43 PM
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As somebody that lived 600km away from Chernobyl , I can tell you that's one bad idea.
Aggression comes back to you gif needed here.

Now you should see that they can do even more damage without ever taking to nuclear attacks, right? Should they still be nuked by every other nuclear power out there?

Lols, isn't this assumption making japan look even more dangerous to the chinese?
They too have now a way of unleashing nuclear bombs Smiley.
Blow up the chinese nuclear plants.  Have a origami bird fly into on of the reactors and bye bye China.

I don't think that even in this scenario some industrial zones in China would be far worse from what they are now. Also note that China's territory is the third largest in the world, so it would be so much different for them...



Well , since I've been to China and I could breath the "air" around there , probably the chinese will survive even a post nuclear scenario.
But seriously , that country is turning into a dump.

And with all their "technology" they can't stop the desert advancing and destroying agricultural land.

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January 02, 2014, 02:49:19 PM
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China's defence spending has doubled every year since 1989. [...]

Still, isn't China's defense spending a miniscule portion of what the US spends? In fact, I think the total Chinese defense spending is less than what the US spends in research alone.

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January 02, 2014, 02:52:45 PM
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How would the war be long over. because the US will come to japan aid. and get in and get out. hahaha.

yea because the US went to war with a few camel jockeys with ak47 and it still took years.
or how about the last time the US went to war with china via proxy korean war. how did that end again. quick in and out yea???

and I was not talking about the factories themselves I was talking about the chinese ability to produce. where as in the US they don't and cant manufacture anything.

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China's defence spending has doubled every year since 1989. [...]

Still, isn't China's defense spending a miniscule portion of what the US spends? In fact, I think the total Chinese defense spending is less than what the US spends in research alone.


China’s 2013 Military Budget went up 10.7% $114.3 Billion and is spending much more on defense than it discloses. In 2012, the DoD estimates China spent between $135 billion and $215 billion on military-related expenditures.





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How would the war be long over. because the US will come to japan aid. and get in and get out. hahaha.

yea because the US went to war with a few camel jockeys with ak47 and it still took years.
or how about the last time the US went to war with china via proxy korean war. how did that end again. quick in and out yea???

and I was not talking about the factories themselves I was talking about the chinese ability to produce. where as in the US they don't and cant manufacture anything.

The war in Afghanistan that fallowed was not a conventional war. They trashed both the afghan army and the irak in less than one month.
You can't end a war if you think that as long as there is one person holding an ak rifle one party isn't defeated. By that measure ww2 isn't yet over. There are still some japanese in isolated islands still at war. And that's no joke.

Also you're talking about the Korean war which is almost as old as the ww2.

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January 02, 2014, 04:01:08 PM
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Any all out war that concerns 2 nuclear powers is likely to end in disaster.  It seem slikely that the side losing will make up some reason to resort to using nukes and then it's game over.  The countries that were not in the war will end up being the winners, forget the one who "wins" the war, if that is even possible in a nuke war.
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January 02, 2014, 04:04:04 PM
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China’s 2013 Military Budget went up 10.7% $114.3 Billion and is spending much more on defense than it discloses. In 2012, the DoD estimates China spent between $135 billion and $215 billion on military-related expenditures.

China buying up useless hardware and a second-hand Russian aircraft carrier (which is actually good for nothing) is not going to help them. Japan is having the best technology. China won't be able to match it even with a 10x budget.

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January 02, 2014, 04:05:29 PM
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There are still some japanese in isolated islands still at war. And that's no joke.

That was actually just a bit of bad propaganda to make the Japanese look like war-crazy ultra-nationalists.

And it definitely can't be true in 2014, the soldiers doing this would be in their late 80's and 90's.

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