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Question: Will China go to war with Japan?
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December 05, 2013, 08:54:18 PM
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If a people want to die for god or ideas, you cannot stop them  Undecided

The problem I have is when people want others to die for their god or ideas...  Wink

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December 06, 2013, 11:52:34 AM
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no, it  wuld be self murder

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December 06, 2013, 08:29:45 PM
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If a people want to die for god or ideas, you cannot stop them  Undecided

The problem I have is when people want others to die for their god or ideas...  Wink

yeah but that shouldn't be the problem with China&Japan, there is too much western influence here so I don't think they would kill just to kill Cheesy
anyways, who do you think would win if such a war ever started?

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December 06, 2013, 10:52:45 PM
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If a people want to die for god or ideas, you cannot stop them  Undecided

The problem I have is when people want others to die for their god or ideas...  Wink

yeah but that shouldn't be the problem with China&Japan, there is too much western influence here so I don't think they would kill just to kill Cheesy
anyways, who do you think would win if such a war ever started?

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December 07, 2013, 02:39:47 AM
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yeah but that shouldn't be the problem with China&Japan, there is too much western influence here so I don't think they would kill just to kill Cheesy
anyways, who do you think would win if such a war ever started?

No one is going to win. The war will wage on for decades, unless someone is going to use the nuclear bombs. Even with the US support, Japan will be unable to defeat China.

But it'll mean the complete collapse of the Japanese (and to a certain extent) the Chinese economies. A severe Economic recession will grip all the world nations.

Also, if such a war happen, it'll eclipse the WW2 in death count.



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December 07, 2013, 03:37:05 PM
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LOL, you ain't going to go all showmanship before you start a war with your equal, it's not like U.S striking Iraq, or even China's invasion of Vietnam, China knows what it's facing and if she really wants to attack Japan, she will do so quietly, do you really talk or brag about how will you punch someone before you really punch him? No way.

That is so true.  IMHO, I think China will win if they were to actually have a war.
Then the US will butt in..

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December 07, 2013, 05:56:25 PM
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LOL, you ain't going to go all showmanship before you start a war with your equal, it's not like U.S striking Iraq, or even China's invasion of Vietnam, China knows what it's facing and if she really wants to attack Japan, she will do so quietly, do you really talk or brag about how will you punch someone before you really punch him? No way.

That is so true.  IMHO, I think China will win if they were to actually have a war.
Then the US will butt in..

Why?Huh Why do you and the others think China will win?
Because they bought a aircraft carrier piece of junk that never sailed from the late '80? and remodeled into .. something?

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December 07, 2013, 06:07:34 PM
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LOL, you ain't going to go all showmanship before you start a war with your equal, it's not like U.S striking Iraq, or even China's invasion of Vietnam, China knows what it's facing and if she really wants to attack Japan, she will do so quietly, do you really talk or brag about how will you punch someone before you really punch him? No way.

That is so true.  IMHO, I think China will win if they were to actually have a war.
Then the US will butt in..

Why?Huh Why do you and the others think China will win?
Because they bought a aircraft carrier piece of junk that never sailed from the late '80? and remodeled into .. something?

I don't think that China will win. If anything, she will be nuked into the Stone Age. But if we look deeper into the history, the conventional wars (China aside) are ultimately won by those countries which just happen to have more resources...

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December 07, 2013, 06:10:46 PM
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LOL, you ain't going to go all showmanship before you start a war with your equal, it's not like U.S striking Iraq, or even China's invasion of Vietnam, China knows what it's facing and if she really wants to attack Japan, she will do so quietly, do you really talk or brag about how will you punch someone before you really punch him? No way.

That is so true.  IMHO, I think China will win if they were to actually have a war.
Then the US will butt in..

Why?Huh Why do you and the others think China will win?
Because they bought a aircraft carrier piece of junk that never sailed from the late '80? and remodeled into .. something?

I don't think China will win either. If anything, she will nuked into the Stone Age. But if we look into the history, the conventional wars (China aside) are ultimately won by those countries which just happen to have more resources...

Resources won't matter this time.
By the time the steel is tuned into a tank and it's fitted with all the electronics the war will be over.
It's not like the ww2 anymore.
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December 08, 2013, 02:06:20 AM
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I don't think that China will win. If anything, she will be nuked into the Stone Age.

China will be vulnerable against nuke attacks by the allies of Japan (read the US).

China doesn't have the capacity to successfully counter an American nuclear attack (either missle-based or aircraft-based).

Also, it doesn't have the capacity to strike back at the US. The Chinese ICBMs are noway near the American and Russian ICBMs.



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December 08, 2013, 03:57:10 AM
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I don't think it will happen; it's little more than sabre rattling. But it would be cool if they did... http://endlessorigami.com/comic/china-and-japan-go-to-war/  Grin

EDIT: Oh, and to those discussing who would win and who has the biggest stick, I think we would all lose. Tongue

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December 08, 2013, 07:10:52 AM
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But it would be cool if they did... http://endlessorigami.com/comic/china-and-japan-go-to-war/  Grin


Do you know about the consequences if such an incident occurs? More than a hundred million people will lose their lives. World economy will collapse. Large number of people (perhaps including you) will lose their jobs, inflation can hit three-digits, there will be shortage of food and medicines...



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Do you know about the consequences if such an incident occurs? More than a hundred million people will lose their lives. World economy will collapse. Large number of people (perhaps including you) will lose their jobs, inflation can hit three-digits, there will be shortage of food and medicines...

You obviously didn't see the comic I linked to. And you seem to have also missed the "edit" (which was already there when you answered), in which I say pretty much the same thing you do, in not so many words...  Tongue

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Do you know about the consequences if such an incident occurs? More than a hundred million people will lose their lives. World economy will collapse. Large number of people (perhaps including you) will lose their jobs, inflation can hit three-digits, there will be shortage of food and medicines...

You obviously didn't see the comic I linked to. And you seem to have also missed the "edit" (which was already there when you answered), in which I say pretty much the same thing you do, in not so many words...  Tongue

Lol... my apologies. Didn't checked the link although it was there by the time I replied.



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December 08, 2013, 10:18:57 AM
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I don't think that China will win. If anything, she will be nuked into the Stone Age.

China will be vulnerable against nuke attacks by the allies of Japan (read the US).

China doesn't have the capacity to successfully counter an American nuclear attack (either missle-based or aircraft-based).

Also, it doesn't have the capacity to strike back at the US. The Chinese ICBMs are noway near the American and Russian ICBMs.

I wonder what would happen if Japan started bullying Russia over disputed islands of South Sakhalin which were taken by Russia after the WWII. Formally they are still at war without peace treaty signed between the states...

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Yes when world war 3....
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December 08, 2013, 02:55:59 PM
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I wonder what would happen if Japan started bullying Russia over disputed islands of South Sakhalin which were taken by Russia after the WWII. Formally they are still at war without peace treaty signed between the states...

Those small islands (or rather two small islands plus a few rocks) are completely worthless. On the other hand, valuable gas deposits are located near the Shankaku Islands (the reason for current problems).

So there is no chance of a conflict between Russia and Japan.

And Japan bullying Russia? Really? If Japan provokes Russia the latter will sweep the floor with the Japanese.

Russia is having the largest number of nuclear weapons in the world. They are having the best Inter-continental Ballistic Missiles. They are having the best air-defense system in the world. The Russian regular army alone numbers more than a million, with millions more in the reserves.

China is having just the manpower. Japan is having the technology. Russia have both.



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December 08, 2013, 03:09:08 PM
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So there is no chance of a conflict between Russia and Japan.

And Japan bullying Russia? Really? If Japan provokes Russia the latter will sweep the floor with the Japanese.

Russia is having the largest number of nuclear weapons in the world. They are having the best Inter-continental Ballistic Missiles. They are having the best air-defense system in the world. The Russian regular army alone numbers more than a million, with millions more in the reserves.

China is having just the manpower. Japan is having the technology. Russia have both.

But China did actually bully Russia in 1960s. It even came to armed clashes along the border. So we have Russia (then much more powerful and truculent USSR) not smashing China to smithereens (though China did suffer some human losses back then) and China which was not afraid to come to blows with a superior opponent. Has anything really changed since then (in respect to China, first of all)?

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December 08, 2013, 04:58:05 PM
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But China did actually bully Russia in 1960s. It even came to armed clashes along the border.

During the Sino-Soviet border conflict, the Russians over-ran Chinese positions in a few weeks time while suffering only a few dozen casualties (compared to ~ 1,000 for the PLA). China had its massive manpower. Wanted to check its' efficiency and therefore poked the Soviets. The Russians returned in kind and the Chinese kept quiet ever since.

So we have Russia (then much more powerful and truculent USSR) not smashing China to smithereens (though China did suffer some human losses back then) and China which was not afraid to come to blows with a superior opponent. Has anything really changed since then (in respect to China, first of all)?

At that time, the major conflict (Cold War) was between the USSR and the US. China was being regarded as a neutral nation, being mildly pro-USSR. An armed conflict with China could have turned the Cold war equilibrium against the Russians, given the massive American military infrastructure which existed at that time in Okinawa and Philippines.



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December 08, 2013, 05:59:13 PM
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I wonder what would happen if Japan started bullying Russia over disputed islands of South Sakhalin which were taken by Russia after the WWII. Formally they are still at war without peace treaty signed between the states...

Those small islands (or rather two small islands plus a few rocks) are completely worthless. On the other hand, valuable gas deposits are located near the Shankaku Islands (the reason for current problems).

So there is no chance of a conflict between Russia and Japan.

And Japan bullying Russia? Really? If Japan provokes Russia the latter will sweep the floor with the Japanese.

Russia is having the largest number of nuclear weapons in the world. They are having the best Inter-continental Ballistic Missiles. They are having the best air-defense system in the world. The Russian regular army alone numbers more than a million, with millions more in the reserves.

China is having just the manpower. Japan is having the technology. Russia have both.

Those small islands are almost 1/4 of Japan.
According to wikipedia:
"Sakhalin is a classic "primary sector of the economy" relying on oil and gas exports, coal mining, forestry, and fishing. Limited quantities of rye, wheat, oats, barley and vegetables are grown, although the growing season averages less than 100 days.[17]
Following the collapse of the Soviet Union and economic liberalization, Sakhalin has experienced an oil boom with extensive petroleum exploration and mining by most large oil multinational corporations. The oil and natural gas reserves contain an estimated 14 billion barrels (2.2 km³) of oil and 96 trillion cubic feet (2,700 km³) of gas and are being developed under production-sharing agreement contracts involving international oil companies like ExxonMobil and Shell."




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