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[TwitchySeal]

No actually I am at the top tier position (40%). I've simply worked harder than everyone else and been more consistent than everyone else in marketing.

Are you seriously mentally brain dead?  That's for casino and sports, which I am at the lowest tier, which means I don't even get greater than 1 BTC per month for that or else I'd move up in tiers.  For poker I am at 40% and giving back 33-38%.

So you're saying that the revenue generated for one category doesn't increase in all tiers.

You're also saying that your signups generate over BTC75 last month in just poker rake.

Those same players that have paid over BTC75 per month in poker rake aren't losing a more than  BTC2.5 in casino, sports or dice.

I must be brain dead.  

Or maybe you're just a piece of shit liar?

hmmm...

75 btc is rake? Damn, xiaoxiao is rich from the signups. It will be serious money if you have 400 followers.

So you got the 584 poker players that DONT bet on sports, dice or casino?

Damn that's so unlucky, poker players like to gamble generally.

[casinobonusgiveaway]

No, 90-95% of that goes back to the players.

You are one of the most generous affiliate, this is why you have almost 600 referrals, I envy your month profit. You don't need to work any more, you can live with those money.   

[adaseb]

Yeah that is sure alot. I am sure in the future those gamblers/betters will keep betting more and more and they will make loads of money. That's why this website sure has a great future ahead of it.

[hopenotlate]

No, 90-95% of that goes back to the players.

You are one of the most generous affiliate, this is why you have almost 600 referrals, I envy your month profit.  You don't need to work any more, you can live with those money

Seems like you are not the only one : someone is getting mad everyday more because of this  

[game-protect]

2. Xiaoxiao is a big affliate there, and he has profited over 100 btc(just my speculation) I think xiaoxiao earned enough, so he locked his thread. Xiaoxiao didn't lose anything, he ahs hundreds of downlines can earn very decent money per month.

He locked the thread, so others can not post anymore and warn potential victims. But he is still posting in his thread and try to draw new customers in...

Maybe double xiao fear others complain in his OP? He often spams and self-bumps his thread. Damn he is a greedy affiliate

Xiao's not a greedy affiliate at all. I referred 4 players to him and he's making just 2% off them I think while giving me 5%. A lot of the well established affiliates with thousands and thousands of player ain't willing to give that kind of %.

1) Xiaoxiao is making 2% of what?

2) Xiaoxiao is giving you 5% of what?

I doubt that he is an affiliate, he is likely a part of the Betcoin.ag scam. Otherwise the over 60 shills would simply register as well as an affiliate...

Why do the over 60 shills posting for cents instead of acting as an affiliate?

I don't think you have any idea how stupid you look when you say things like this.

Your feedback should say -80: -40/+0 Warning: One of the biggest ignorant fools on the site!

Your current feedback is being kind:

If stupid looking people are able to destroy the betcoin.ag scam, what do you think how stupid looking are the people behind betcoin.ag?

Maybe I am too stupid to understand, but what role would -80: -40 play, while betcoin.ag customers can anyway not trade with Game Protect?

[game-protect]

You're also saying that your signups generate over BTC75 last month in just poker rake.

Are you seriously mentally brain dead?  That's for casino and sports, which I am at the lowest tier, which means I don't even get greater than 1 BTC per month for that or else I'd move up in tiers.  For poker I am at 40% and giving back 33-38%.

I have an idea who is seriously mentally brain dead!  

However, let a stupid looking person elaborate your nonsense:

1) Your referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) They receive between 58-133% rakeback (- 33% rakeback from you directly) = 58-100% rakeback from betcoin.ag = 79% rakeback in average from betcoin.ag

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 79% back to players and made a 21% gross revenue = 15.75 BTC

4) You received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Your behaviour created a - 14.25 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) This clearly confirms that you are a participant of the betcoin.ag scam (and not only an affiliate), as a legitimate company would never pay 14.25 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average, surprise boxes, affiliate commissions, signature campaigns, software provider fees, employees, infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

[Xiaoxiao]

You're also saying that your signups generate over BTC75 last month in just poker rake.

Are you seriously mentally brain dead?  That's for casino and sports, which I am at the lowest tier, which means I don't even get greater than 1 BTC per month for that or else I'd move up in tiers.  For poker I am at 40% and giving back 33-38%.

I have an idea who is seriously mentally brain dead!  

However, let a stupid looking person elaborate your nonsense:

1) Your referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) They receive between 58-133% rakeback (- 33% rakeback from you directly) = 58-100% rakeback from betcoin.ag = 79% rakeback in average from betcoin.ag

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 79% back to players and made a 21% gross revenue = 15.75 BTC

4) You received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Your behaviour created a - 14.25 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) This clearly confirms that you are a participant of the betcoin.ag scam (and not only an affiliate), as a legitimate company would never pay 14.25 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average, surprise boxes, affiliate commissions, signature campaigns, software provider fees, employees, infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

You're a confirmed troll.  You've just proven you're worse than the 3 stooges.  There's no point in arguing with you.

No wonder you're so beloved and popular at the forums.

[Wh0CaR3s]

You're also saying that your signups generate over BTC75 last month in just poker rake.

Are you seriously mentally brain dead?  That's for casino and sports, which I am at the lowest tier, which means I don't even get greater than 1 BTC per month for that or else I'd move up in tiers.  For poker I am at 40% and giving back 33-38%.

I have an idea who is seriously mentally brain dead!  

However, let a stupid looking person elaborate your nonsense:

1) Your referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) They receive between 58-133% rakeback (- 33% rakeback from you directly) = 58-100% rakeback from betcoin.ag = 79% rakeback in average from betcoin.ag

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 79% back to players and made a 21% gross revenue = 15.75 BTC

4) You received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Your behaviour created a - 14.25 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) This clearly confirms that you are a participant of the betcoin.ag scam (and not only an affiliate), as a legitimate company would never pay 14.25 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average, surprise boxes, affiliate commissions, signature campaigns, software provider fees, employees, infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

Sorry to interfere into your affiliate war (yes, game-protect is just an affiliate even if he tries very hard to make people believe he is somethings else) and, as a player, stop the misinformations of the post above.

58% - 133% RB.
Let’s break it down. There are 3 components that could render a reward up to 133% RB.

33% RB coming from Xiao.

Reality: Indeed everyone under Xio get this flat RB. Sadly I might add, since it used to be higher.

For Flat RB  it is in the low end of what RB deals can offer in the industry but a lot of Sites once big enough did stop using affiliates altogether.
Still you can find same deals for networks where Traffic is incomparable way higher than Betcoin like  Microgaming . And way higher than that on Ipoker (even when taking into consideration their special system “SBR”).

Betcoin probably made a mistake by going all-in with only one affiliate – some might argue having affiliates is a mistake in itself, but when you are a new site it is often, if not necessary, at least the easiest way to gain some traction - and even now that Xiao has a normal deal it still prevents competitors to challenge him because before they generate the amount of BTCs necessary to reach the last tier of the affiliate scheme, they will not be able to offer their players the same amount as Xiao does.

It seems as well to stir-up a lot of hate / jealousy coming from various people towards Xiao.
In the end, Xiao makes the most of it – do not think it is fair to blame him for that, tho you can probably be a bit disappointed that he does not have the kind of leverage you might expect him to have from his special place – and Betcoin probably does suffer -their mistake in the first place- that their site would have probably gotten more exposure with a real competition among multiple affiliates.

The solution could be that Betcoin offers Top Tier Affiliate Scheme (40%) to others for Poker Only (for Casinos/Sportbooks they’d need to climb up the Scheme).

50% coming from the last VIP Status level.
Reality: no one reached yet such a status. So no one so far, is getting that amount or close to it from the VIP Status.

SWCpoker has the exact same type of VIP Scheme: you climb up for life and the top level rewards you of 50% RB.


50% from Table Starter Rakeback.
It is probably the most misunderstood component of it all.

It only benefits players that are willing to start games. And they are very few. Why ? Because most poker players like to play against weak opponents and when you have to start tables you cannot choose who you‘re playing against.
Generally, only the top players at their own stakes are willing to create action by opening tables and playing HU.
They are rewarded for that, as they should.


Game-protect wants you to believe that anyone benefits from that feature.
It cannot be further from the truth.
Let’s add to the fact that only few players are willing to use the feature, it is quite limited now both in time and in number at Betcoin. You have to play at least 1 hour straight and you are limited to 2 tables.


Game-protect wants you to believe that because on top of the VIP/RB you can get 50% more for TSR it is something unique and that is the proof that Betcoin is a Ponzi scheme.
Practices among the poker sites in the online world.
SWCpoker has the exact same feature, but is even better than Betcoin for the players: 50% not only for HU but as well for 3 handed play. No time limit and no table limit (but starting 4 handed you lose the benefit).

Notice that with the same reward for VIP and even with the lack of flat RB, depending on stakes/format SWCpoker is a cheaper place to play than Betcoin because of a rake way lower.

So SWCpoker is a Ponzi scheme as well ?

A lot of small online poker sites used prop players. Players that are paid to start tables and create action on the site.
Those deals are made under the coat. Is it not better that everyone willing to create action is getting rewarded for it ?

Practices in brick and mortar casinos.
Prop players came from the live background.

In multiple live casinos you either have prop players (it does costs live casinos money) or casinos that did opt for the same kind of offer than Betcoin/SWCpoker: rake free for HU /3handed [yep, 100%RB]. And you still get comps.
So are they losing money ? They’re just willing to pay small money to get game going and then rake it than having no game running at all.

Are live casinos Ponzi Schemes as well because of that ?


To anyone who wants to make business with game-protect: Beware.
It is pretty clear that he has zero knowledge of the poker industry. For someone claiming that under him as an affiliate he will be able to protect you of the said industry, it does not compute.

I suggest you to go through a lot of his posts here in order to give you an idea of what type of individual he is or even go to other forums like 2p2 (this thread in particular is quite telling about his “abilities” http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/does-skrill-make-contradictory-statements-their-legally-binding-contract-1589116/ ) or PokerFraudAlert where he is, to say the least, not receiving a warm welcome; which does not prevent him to link the said forum on his website to lure people into thinking he is somewhat related to it and to give him some kind of false legitimacy in the process.

[game-protect]

You're also saying that your signups generate over BTC75 last month in just poker rake.

Are you seriously mentally brain dead?  That's for casino and sports, which I am at the lowest tier, which means I don't even get greater than 1 BTC per month for that or else I'd move up in tiers.  For poker I am at 40% and giving back 33-38%.

I have an idea who is seriously mentally brain dead!  

However, let a stupid looking person elaborate your nonsense:

1) Your referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) They receive between 58-133% rakeback (- 33% rakeback from you directly) = 58-100% rakeback from betcoin.ag = 79% rakeback in average from betcoin.ag

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 79% back to players and made a 21% gross revenue = 15.75 BTC

4) You received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Your behaviour created a - 14.25 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) This clearly confirms that you are a participant of the betcoin.ag scam (and not only an affiliate), as a legitimate company would never pay 14.25 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average, surprise boxes, affiliate commissions, signature campaigns, software provider fees, employees, infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

Sorry to interfere into your affiliate war (yes, game-protect is just an affiliate even if he tries very hard to make people believe he is somethings else) and, as a player, stop the misinformations of the post above.

58% - 133% RB.
Let’s break it down. There are 3 components that could render a reward up to 133% RB.

33% RB coming from Xiao.

Reality: Indeed everyone under Xio get this flat RB. Sadly I might add, since it used to be higher.

For Flat RB  it is in the low end of what RB deals can offer in the industry but a lot of Sites once big enough did stop using affiliates altogether.
Still you can find same deals for networks where Traffic is incomparable way higher than Betcoin like  Microgaming . And way higher than that on Ipoker (even when taking into consideration their special system “SBR”).

Betcoin probably made a mistake by going all-in with only one affiliate – some might argue having affiliates is a mistake in itself, but when you are a new site it is often, if not necessary, at least the easiest way to gain some traction - and even now that Xiao has a normal deal it still prevents competitors to challenge him because before they generate the amount of BTCs necessary to reach the last tier of the affiliate scheme, they will not be able to offer their players the same amount as Xiao does.

It seems as well to stir-up a lot of hate / jealousy coming from various people towards Xiao.
In the end, Xiao makes the most of it – do not think it is fair to blame him for that, tho you can probably be a bit disappointed that he does not have the kind of leverage you might expect him to have from his special place – and Betcoin probably does suffer -their mistake in the first place- that their site would have probably gotten more exposure with a real competition among multiple affiliates.

The solution could be that Betcoin offers Top Tier Affiliate Scheme (40%) to others for Poker Only (for Casinos/Sportbooks they’d need to climb up the Scheme).

50% coming from the last VIP Status level.
Reality: no one reached yet such a status. So no one so far, is getting that amount or close to it from the VIP Status.

SWCpoker has the exact same type of VIP Scheme: you climb up for life and the top level rewards you of 50% RB.


50% from Table Starter Rakeback.
It is probably the most misunderstood component of it all.

It only benefits players that are willing to start games. And they are very few. Why ? Because most poker players like to play against weak opponents and when you have to start tables you cannot choose who you‘re playing against.
Generally, only the top players at their own stakes are willing to create action by opening tables and playing HU.
They are rewarded for that, as they should.


Game-protect wants you to believe that anyone benefits from that feature.
It cannot be further from the truth.
Let’s add to the fact that only few players are willing to use the feature, it is quite limited now both in time and in number at Betcoin. You have to play at least 1 hour straight and you are limited to 2 tables.


Game-protect wants you to believe that because on top of the VIP/RB you can get 50% more for TSR it is something unique and that is the proof that Betcoin is a Ponzi scheme.
Practices among the poker sites in the online world.
SWCpoker has the exact same feature, but is even better than Betcoin for the players: 50% not only for HU but as well for 3 handed play. No time limit and no table limit (but starting 4 handed you lose the benefit).

Notice that with the same reward for VIP and even with the lack of flat RB, depending on stakes/format SWCpoker is a cheaper place to play than Betcoin because of a rake way lower.

So SWCpoker is a Ponzi scheme as well ?

A lot of small online poker sites used prop players. Players that are paid to start tables and create action on the site.
Those deals are made under the coat. Is it not better that everyone willing to create action is getting rewarded for it ?

Practices in brick and mortar casinos.
Prop players came from the live background.

In multiple live casinos you either have prop players (it does costs live casinos money) or casinos that did opt for the same kind of offer than Betcoin/SWCpoker: rake free for HU /3handed [yep, 100%RB]. And you still get comps.
So are they losing money ? They’re just willing to pay small money to get game going and then rake it than having no game running at all.

Are live casinos Ponzi Schemes as well because of that ?


To anyone who wants to make business with game-protect: Beware.
It is pretty clear that he has zero knowledge of the poker industry. For someone claiming that under him as an affiliate he will be able to protect you of the said industry, it does not compute.

I suggest you to go through a lot of his posts here in order to give you an idea of what type of individual he is or even go to other forums like 2p2 (this thread in particular is quite telling about his “abilities” http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/does-skrill-make-contradictory-statements-their-legally-binding-contract-1589116/ ) or PokerFraudAlert where he is, to say the least, not receiving a warm welcome; which does not prevent him to link the said forum on his website to lure people into thinking he is somewhat related to it and to give him some kind of false legitimacy in the process.

So many lies and nonsense in one post!

My calculation is perfect, because there are no exact numbers available and in my calculation are all the other promotions and freerolls and overlays and whatever not considered. So if the average for 58-133% would be more like 78%, it could be still around 95% if you add all the other additional promotions and overlays, surprise boxes and whatever.

Even if the players would receive "only" 78% rakeback in average, it would be still not sustainable and betcoin.ag has a loss every month!

While affiliate commissions are one part of the revenue stream of Game Protect to finance the legal proceedings against criminal online gaming operators, Game Protect is not just an affiliate. This is a blatant lie and has nothing to do with the reality!  

Xiaoxiao is also no affiliate, he is a criminal directly from betcoin.ag, because:

1) He is the only one who is able to offer this 58 -133% rakeback deal

2) Legitimate gambling companies would never pay up to 40% commission on the gross rake, while average rakeback is around 95%!

3) 58% rakeback is minimum when signing thru betcoin.ag and 133% maximum = 95,5% rakeback in average for the player.


If you are a publicly proven multiple scam, it does not matter if you have only one house affiliate or 100 external affiliates or pay a ton for signature and whatever promotion campaigns. Your business model is and will be always not sustainable and it can only run because you cheat your customers and use their deposits.


People complain about Xiaoxiao because he promotes a publicly peoven multi scam and not because they are jealous. He makes the most of it? He takes only 2-7% of his 40% commission and takes the most of it?  


As already explained, Betcoin.ag scam customers can not make business with Game Protect! If someone want to drive with 150 mph into a curve, then he can of course do this, but please without Game Protect.


Nice try to mislead the bitcointalk community, but no, brick and mortar casinos are in no way related to anonymous and criminal online casinos like betcoin.ag. These are two totally different pair of shoes.  


And no, Game Protect nowhere and never has stated that we can protect you from criminal online gambling operators. We can "only" try to claim and enforce your rights if something happened.


Yes, please go thru my posts and compare them with the blatant lies and nonsense criminals post here...


Game Protect has no account on 2+2.  


The link to the pokerfraudalert forum is to give potential victims the opportunity to read about the scams going on and already happened and do in no way indicate that Game Protect is anyhow related with it. You yourself already gave the explanation that Game Protect is in no way related to pokerfraudalert, because I did not receive a warm welcome there.  

[Xiaoxiao]

You're also saying that your signups generate over BTC75 last month in just poker rake.

Are you seriously mentally brain dead?  That's for casino and sports, which I am at the lowest tier, which means I don't even get greater than 1 BTC per month for that or else I'd move up in tiers.  For poker I am at 40% and giving back 33-38%.

I have an idea who is seriously mentally brain dead!  

However, let a stupid looking person elaborate your nonsense:

1) Your referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) They receive between 58-133% rakeback (- 33% rakeback from you directly) = 58-100% rakeback from betcoin.ag = 79% rakeback in average from betcoin.ag

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 79% back to players and made a 21% gross revenue = 15.75 BTC

4) You received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Your behaviour created a - 14.25 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) This clearly confirms that you are a participant of the betcoin.ag scam (and not only an affiliate), as a legitimate company would never pay 14.25 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average, surprise boxes, affiliate commissions, signature campaigns, software provider fees, employees, infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

Sorry to interfere into your affiliate war (yes, game-protect is just an affiliate even if he tries very hard to make people believe he is somethings else) and, as a player, stop the misinformations of the post above.

58% - 133% RB.
Let’s break it down. There are 3 components that could render a reward up to 133% RB.

33% RB coming from Xiao.

Reality: Indeed everyone under Xio get this flat RB. Sadly I might add, since it used to be higher.

For Flat RB  it is in the low end of what RB deals can offer in the industry but a lot of Sites once big enough did stop using affiliates altogether.
Still you can find same deals for networks where Traffic is incomparable way higher than Betcoin like  Microgaming . And way higher than that on Ipoker (even when taking into consideration their special system “SBR”).

Betcoin probably made a mistake by going all-in with only one affiliate – some might argue having affiliates is a mistake in itself, but when you are a new site it is often, if not necessary, at least the easiest way to gain some traction - and even now that Xiao has a normal deal it still prevents competitors to challenge him because before they generate the amount of BTCs necessary to reach the last tier of the affiliate scheme, they will not be able to offer their players the same amount as Xiao does.

It seems as well to stir-up a lot of hate / jealousy coming from various people towards Xiao.
In the end, Xiao makes the most of it – do not think it is fair to blame him for that, tho you can probably be a bit disappointed that he does not have the kind of leverage you might expect him to have from his special place – and Betcoin probably does suffer -their mistake in the first place- that their site would have probably gotten more exposure with a real competition among multiple affiliates.

The solution could be that Betcoin offers Top Tier Affiliate Scheme (40%) to others for Poker Only (for Casinos/Sportbooks they’d need to climb up the Scheme).

50% coming from the last VIP Status level.
Reality: no one reached yet such a status. So no one so far, is getting that amount or close to it from the VIP Status.

SWCpoker has the exact same type of VIP Scheme: you climb up for life and the top level rewards you of 50% RB.


50% from Table Starter Rakeback.
It is probably the most misunderstood component of it all.

It only benefits players that are willing to start games. And they are very few. Why ? Because most poker players like to play against weak opponents and when you have to start tables you cannot choose who you‘re playing against.
Generally, only the top players at their own stakes are willing to create action by opening tables and playing HU.
They are rewarded for that, as they should.


Game-protect wants you to believe that anyone benefits from that feature.
It cannot be further from the truth.
Let’s add to the fact that only few players are willing to use the feature, it is quite limited now both in time and in number at Betcoin. You have to play at least 1 hour straight and you are limited to 2 tables.


Game-protect wants you to believe that because on top of the VIP/RB you can get 50% more for TSR it is something unique and that is the proof that Betcoin is a Ponzi scheme.
Practices among the poker sites in the online world.
SWCpoker has the exact same feature, but is even better than Betcoin for the players: 50% not only for HU but as well for 3 handed play. No time limit and no table limit (but starting 4 handed you lose the benefit).

Notice that with the same reward for VIP and even with the lack of flat RB, depending on stakes/format SWCpoker is a cheaper place to play than Betcoin because of a rake way lower.

So SWCpoker is a Ponzi scheme as well ?

A lot of small online poker sites used prop players. Players that are paid to start tables and create action on the site.
Those deals are made under the coat. Is it not better that everyone willing to create action is getting rewarded for it ?

Practices in brick and mortar casinos.
Prop players came from the live background.

In multiple live casinos you either have prop players (it does costs live casinos money) or casinos that did opt for the same kind of offer than Betcoin/SWCpoker: rake free for HU /3handed [yep, 100%RB]. And you still get comps.
So are they losing money ? They’re just willing to pay small money to get game going and then rake it than having no game running at all.

Are live casinos Ponzi Schemes as well because of that ?


To anyone who wants to make business with game-protect: Beware.
It is pretty clear that he has zero knowledge of the poker industry. For someone claiming that under him as an affiliate he will be able to protect you of the said industry, it does not compute.

I suggest you to go through a lot of his posts here in order to give you an idea of what type of individual he is or even go to other forums like 2p2 (this thread in particular is quite telling about his “abilities” http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/does-skrill-make-contradictory-statements-their-legally-binding-contract-1589116/ ) or PokerFraudAlert where he is, to say the least, not receiving a warm welcome; which does not prevent him to link the said forum on his website to lure people into thinking he is somewhat related to it and to give him some kind of false legitimacy in the process.

So many lies and nonsense in one post!

My calculation is perfect, because there are no exact numbers available and in my calculation are all the other promotions and freerolls and overlays and whatever not considered. So if the average for 58-133% would be more like 78%, it could be still around 95% if you add all the other additional promotions and overlays, surprise boxes and whatever.

Even if the players would receive "only" 78% rakeback in average, it would be still not sustainable and betcoin.ag has a loss every month!

While affiliate commissions are one part of the revenue stream of Game Protect to finance the legal proceedings against criminal online gaming operators, Game Protect is not just an affiliate. This is a blatant lie and has nothing to do with the reality!  

Xiaoxiao is also no affiliate, he is a criminal directly from betcoin.ag, because:

1) He is the only one who is able to offer this 58 -133% rakeback deal

2) Legitimate gambling companies would never pay up to 40% commission on the gross rake, while average rakeback is around 95%!

3) 58% rakeback is minimum when signing thru betcoin.ag and 133% maximum = 95,5% rakeback in average for the player.


If you are a publicly proven multiple scam, it does not matter if you have only one house affiliate or 100 external affiliates or pay a ton for signature and whatever promotion campaigns. Your business model is and will be always not sustainable and it can only run because you cheat your customers and use their deposits.


Xiaoxiao makes the most of it? He takes only 2-7% of his 40% commission and takes the most of it?  


As already explained, Betcoin.ag scam customers can not make business with Game Protect! If someone want to drive with 150 mph into a curve, then he can of course do this, but please without Game Protect.


Nice try to mislead the bitcointalk community, but no, brick and mortar casinos are in no way related to anonymous and criminal online casinos like betcoin.ag. These are two totally different pair of shoes.  


And no, Game Protect nowhere and never has stated that we can protect you from criminal online gambling operators. We can "only" try to claim and enforce your rights if something happened.


Yes, please go thru my posts and compare them with the blatant lies and nonsense criminals post here...


Game Protect has no account on 2+2.  


The link to the pokerfraudalert forum is to give potential victims the opportunity to read about the scams going on and already happened and do in no way indicate that Game Protect is anyhow related with it. You yourself already gave the explanation that Game Protect is in no way related to pokerfraudalert, because I did not receive a warm welcome there.  

Are you finished with your gibberish and nonsensical clueless rant?

Ok here we go:

[game-protect]

Trust summary for game-protect

LOL, what have false and misleading blatant lies to do with trust?  

You are from betcoin.ag and see the decreasing revenue numbers and now you are going tilt. That is fully understandable... LMAO

It is mathematically and juridically absolute correct to use the average numbers and as long as you do not put the real numbers on the table, I take that one:

1) Your referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) 33% fix from betcoin.ag in form of Xiaoxiao + 30% vip rakeback + 25% tablestarter = 88% in average + your countless too good to be true promotions, (do not know) maybe 12% in average = 100% rakeback in average!!!

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 100% back to players and made a 0% gross revenue

4) You received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Your behaviour created a - 30 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

[uknohowwedo]

hello betcoin support jonnyrocket here - ive sent many emails and tried to reach out to live chat this week no response.

I was told by Andrew that Sept 1st my account would be open.

our players club freeroll # 1 is tomorrow and i do not want to miss it!

please open access to jonnyrocket.

thanks, Dustin

[TwitchySeal]

hello betcoin support jonnyrocket here - ive sent many emails and tried to reach out to live chat this week no response.

I was told by Andrew that Sept 1st my account would be open.

our players club freeroll # 1 is tomorrow and i do not want to miss it!

please open access to jonnyrocket.

thanks, Dustin

What did you get banned for?

(I assume I'm banned for life, not sure for what or how long though, they just ignore me)

Guess they consider me a much bigger problem than someone who has been habitually scamming poker sites and players for more than a decade.

[DarkDays]

Why is Xiao spamming this thread instead of posting in his own thread?  Seems like a horrible way to run a business.  Lots of shadiness. 

[Xiaoxiao]

Why is Xiao spamming this thread instead of posting in his own thread?  Seems like a horrible way to run a business.  Lots of shadiness. 

You do understand that when some guy named "Game-protect" who claims to be the authority in the forums is spreading false information, showing totally incorrect math and assumptions, being someone that knows the truth, common sense says I should correct that?

[DarkDays]

Why is Xiao spamming this thread instead of posting in his own thread?  Seems like a horrible way to run a business.  Lots of shadiness. 

You do understand that when some guy named "Game-protect" who claims to be the authority in the forums is spreading false information, showing totally incorrect math and assumptions, being someone that knows the truth, common sense says I should correct that?

I understand that when affiliates steal from their players it's all of us, as a community, that need to come together and stand up for those players.

But please stop derailing this thread.  If you want to talk about your thievery we can do it in your thread, right?

[Wh0CaR3s]

@game-protect
I let people judge who has the best arguments by comparing our two posts.

I just want to pinpoint one affirmation of yours.

Game Protect has no account on 2+2.

   
So you’re denying to be “Player Protection” on 2p2 ? That is a lie.
You’re only denying it because you want to circumvent 2p2 TOS and spam your affiliate link in all the posts you make under “Player Protection”.
Tough luck, 2p2 mods are onto you now:

Mike Haven (2p2 mod of the mods)

Your source is an affiliate for a large number of poker sites, so any editorial content cannot exactly be regarded as being written from an independent standpoint.

Are you connected with it? Some of the comments on it made about IHasTehNutz' post, above, are unprofessional, to say the least, and remind me of your writings here.

"LOL, is this real or is this a kidding show?"

"There is obviously a misunderstood on your behalf!"

"First bla bla and then maybe make an incompetent research about that bla bla story later. This is exactly the way how trustworthy and professional “legal experts” act. LMAO"

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=50760208&postcount=3739

Bobo Fett (2p2 mod)

Oh yeah, it's his site for sure.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=50760419&postcount=3740

I suggest people to read the end of this thread on 2p2, it says a lot about what people think about “game-protect” aka “Player Protection” on the biggest international poker forum.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/lockpoker-payout-scam-cashout-report-via-player-data-year-long-waits-updated-frequently-1359432/  (starting #3738)

[TwitchySeal]

@game-protect
I let people judge who has the best arguments by comparing our two posts.

I just want to pinpoint one affirmation of yours.

Game Protect has no account on 2+2.

   
So you’re denying to be “Player Protection” on 2p2 ? That is a lie.
You’re only denying it because you want to circumvent 2p2 TOS and spam your affiliate link in all the posts you make under “Player Protection”.
Tough luck, 2p2 mods are onto you now:

Mike Haven (2p2 mod of the mods)

Your source is an affiliate for a large number of poker sites, so any editorial content cannot exactly be regarded as being written from an independent standpoint.

Are you connected with it? Some of the comments on it made about IHasTehNutz' post, above, are unprofessional, to say the least, and remind me of your writings here.

"LOL, is this real or is this a kidding show?"

"There is obviously a misunderstood on your behalf!"

"First bla bla and then maybe make an incompetent research about that bla bla story later. This is exactly the way how trustworthy and professional “legal experts” act. LMAO"

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=50760208&postcount=3739

Bobo Fett (2p2 mod)

Oh yeah, it's his site for sure.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=50760419&postcount=3740

I suggest people to read the end of this thread on 2p2, it says a lot about what people think about “game-protect” aka “Player Protection” on the biggest international poker forum.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/lockpoker-payout-scam-cashout-report-via-player-data-year-long-waits-updated-frequently-1359432/  (starting #3738)

Why does it seem like you're intentionally overlooking the bullshit Xiao has spewed over tha past couple days?

You seem to be a Betcoin player, so you're most likely aware of all the bullshit they've pulled as well.  Why are you here defending them?  (or am I missing something?)

Why is games-protect getting all the hate?

Do you believe Betcoin is raking over 75 coin per month?  (Xiao says his sign ups alone have been)

Do you believe that Xiao doesn't make his income off sports/casino losses because his 500+ sign ups only play poker?

How do you feel about Xiao helping Betcoin to cover up the BBJP issue, the overcharging rake and underpaying rewards for months and countless other issues? 

How about Betcoin intentionally quoting fake skyped logs from Ajundftd of me "admitting" to ddos them?

[Wh0CaR3s]

Why does it seem like you're intentionally overlooking the bullshit Xiao has spewed over tha past couple days?

You seem to be a Betcoin player, so you're most likely aware of all the bullshit they've pulled as well.  Why are you here defending them?  (or am I missing something?)

Why is games-protect getting all the hate?

Do you believe Betcoin is raking over 75 coin per month?  (Xiao says his sign ups alone have been)

Do you believe that Xiao doesn't make his income off sports/casino losses because his 500+ sign ups only play poker?

How do you feel about Xiao helping Betcoin to cover up the BBJP issue, the overcharging rake and underpaying rewards for months and countless other issues? 

How about Betcoin intentionally quoting fake skyped logs from Ajundftd of me "admitting" to ddos them?

@Twitchy

Classic Twitchy. When someone has a different opinion than you, the person must be a shill for X or Y.

On Xiao.

If you think I am siding with Xiao, I have no side but only the poker players’ one.

I suggest you to read again the 1st part of my post where I suggest Betcoin to give other Affiliates the same deal as Xiao for Poker.
I suggest you to read as well my posts on the old Xiao BTCTalk thread.

All of your questions concerning Xiao’s personal deal have nothing to do with the poker players. It does not matter how much he has on Casino/Sportsbook, how much he makes and so on.

As I said once again in my post, players can be disappointed that he has no pull on Betcoin policies considering his special relationship. And I have been myself quite a critic towards him for that. But past that, you just have to treat him as your random poker affiliate.

What does it mean ? At the end of the day for the poker players the only question is: does this affiliate deliver on what he is offering ?
The Answer is: yes.

You can talk about the Ungod case, where Ungod said he was shorted by Xiao on his RB. But Ungod said publicly that his issue with Xiao has been resolved.
I can say that I have not been shorted on my RB by Xiao and the only times I had not the right amount it was a Betcoin issue (easy to prove: your rake * 5 = VIP Status points, if =/= then something is wrong).
That does not mean it is true for everyone, but like I said the only case I can think of is Ungod’s and he said himself that it was resolved.


On Betcoin.

I am “Vae Victis” there.
I have raised my voice in public on a lot of different Betcoin issues and I have even been censored on their forum for that.
I have nothing to prove and even less lessons to receive from you on that front.


On game-protect.

The guy is an obvious crook.
He is offering a poker player “protection” for money/affiliations: do you really think he is able to deliver it ?

The fact that you’re willing to softball this guy is mind-blowing.




@game-protect.

I am not aware that "Player Protection" add Game Protect affiliate links to his posts, please quote?

________________________________________
Curacao license 1668/JAZ scam, 100 questions from The Hague

THE HAGUE, WILLEMSTAD – The government in Curacao must answer all questions from the Parliament in The Hague about the gaming sector on the island. That is according to a majority of the Second Chamber of the Dutch Parliament.

The Minister of Kingdom Relations Ronald Plasterk has to send more than 100 questions asked by Dutch MPs to the Curacao government. Most of these questions come from the MP for the Socialist Party Ronald van Raak.

Van Raak indicated that he doesn’t like the answers he received from Plasterk. The MP now has the support of the ruling party VVD and the Labour Party PvdA to have the government in Willemstad answer these questions.

Van Raak believes that the gambling sector in Curacao is illegal and that the public company UTS is involved in it. He also believes that the KPMG is supporting UTS in this business.

Recently asked questions from van Raak about the Curacao gambling industry

1) Is it true that the construction of master and sub-licenses in the gambling industry used on Curacao has no legal basis?

2) Is it true that UTS as casino licensee shall not report unusual transactions to the MOT?

3) Is it true that the online casino network UTS also facilitates the use of (master-) licensing, Internet licensing, logo, marketing, and other turnkey services including colocation, e-zones services, legal and compliance services, corporate services, fiducary services, IT infrastructure and support, telephone, leased lines and internet infrastructure, gaming software, banking, card payment and authorization services?

4) Does the UTS (master-) licensee fulfill its responsibility for tax payments from its casino network?

5) Is it true that the service KPMG provides for UTS include legal, tax and financial advisory services, management consulting, marketing and sales operations, responsible for internal reporting and is for more than 15 years checking accounts?


Source: Game Protect

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=50758305&postcount=3738

In before: “Player Protection (aka “game-protect’) is only giving his source (which happens to be his own affiliate site).”

By the way you did copy/paste the same post under your "real identity" on PFA.
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?13240-Curacao-License-1668-JAZ-gaming-company-owe-you-money&p=582453&viewfull=1#post582453

I find it very unprofessional from legal expert IHasTehNutz to give his legal assessment about Game Protect without any prior research. And he of course did not make any research afterwards. His sole intend was to bad mouth and attack Game Protect!

IHasTehNutz has spent countless hours on the Locke case but yeah, his hidden agenda is only to “bad mouth and attack Game Protect !”

I find it very curious that you link from my thread to this betcoin.ag scam thread, instead of posting your nonsense about me directly in my thread?

Nothing curious about that. I said what I think of you in your own thread and I link the people one of my post about you so that people can have the context.

[mexicotaco]

Why is Xiao spamming this thread instead of posting in his own thread?  Seems like a horrible way to run a business.  Lots of shadiness. 

He is spamming everywhere to attract more new customers, although he earns plenty of money monthly, he is still greedy.