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Author Topic: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)  (Read 114584 times)
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March 07, 2014, 08:34:45 PM
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To anyone who is interested in purchasing our DM or DM2, we have re-stocked both DM and DM2 products in our on-line store www.dualminer.com, so you could place order again. Thank you for your business.
Do you ship to Brazil?

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March 07, 2014, 10:25:38 PM
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To anyone who is interested in purchasing our DM or DM2, we have re-stocked both DM and DM2 products in our on-line store www.dualminer.com, so you could place order again. Thank you for your business.
Do you ship to Brazil?

They do.
120 USD via UPS...  Embarrassed

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March 07, 2014, 11:59:20 PM
Last edit: March 08, 2014, 03:22:33 AM by Tathata
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Will there be different shipping options in the future? 16 bucks for 1 unit is steep here in the states.
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March 08, 2014, 06:52:47 AM
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Wow thanks for this, was able to get cgminer for my dualminers and my gridseed 5 chip pod

although I have to run the gridseed's cgminer before the dualminer's cgminer otherwise the gridseed isn't recognized saying the chips are already in use

oh well.. minor inconvenience !
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March 08, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
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I like the new offering for your DualMiner 2 ASIC but can you tell me when you intend to create a mining app to run this ASIC on my Mac?

Also when I see a new revision no in the name,I usually expect higher performance or reduced energy use if hashrate is the same.Is it even possible to increase the scrypt hashrate of the DualMiner or would running off a USB port prove too difficult (as there's not much of a power envelope)?

I'm just curious to know.Thanks Smiley

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March 08, 2014, 05:06:16 PM
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I like the new offering for your DualMiner 2 ASIC but can you tell me when you intend to create a mining app to run this ASIC on my Mac?

Also when I see a new revision no in the name,I usually expect higher performance or reduced energy use if hashrate is the same.Is it even possible to increase the scrypt hashrate of the DualMiner or would running off a USB port prove too difficult (as there's not much of a power envelope)?

I'm just curious to know.Thanks Smiley

I believe these questions have already been answered: someone has compiled a version for Mac from git which should work on both sticks. This can be found with search. Regarding running more gc3355's per USB slot:

Is it possible to put 2 chips on 1 usb?

140KH/s @ 3 watts?

Making a 2-chip USB miner is not difficult at all, but the tricky part is how do you provide the power required by this miner? Our DM miners was designed using BUS power scheme, which means the miner is powered from USB2.0 bus (or USB2.0 cable). Now, the USB2.0 specification only provides up to 2.5W (or 500ma current at 5V) power to one USB device, so that will put 2-chip USB miner out of the power supply range of USB2.0 bus.
This was found on the thread one page back..
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March 08, 2014, 05:39:45 PM
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So whats the news with this web monitor you are working on dualminer?  https://github.com/dualminer/dualminer-mineninja  If I figure it out I will post how it works and the steps I took to get it working.  I would assume that dualminer is working on a guide to get this monitor working w/ the USB sticks.

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March 08, 2014, 06:27:21 PM
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So whats the news with this web monitor you are working on dualminer?  https://github.com/dualminer/dualminer-mineninja  If I figure it out I will post how it works and the steps I took to get it working.  I would assume that dualminer is working on a guide to get this monitor working w/ the USB sticks.

I'm interested in this too. I was just researching this morning looking for a monitoring/web front end solution.

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March 08, 2014, 06:34:45 PM
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So whats the news with this web monitor you are working on dualminer?  https://github.com/dualminer/dualminer-mineninja  If I figure it out I will post how it works and the steps I took to get it working.  I would assume that dualminer is working on a guide to get this monitor working w/ the USB sticks.

I'm interested in this too. I was just researching this morning looking for a monitoring/web front end solution.

Ah. There is set up info for their flavor of mineninja on the DualMiner site under "Raspberry Pi User Guide" support page. Looks interesting.


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March 09, 2014, 02:46:34 PM
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Ok.  I want one.  I have neither Paypal nor LTC/BTC.  :/

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March 09, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
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Hi all,

I've been configuring my Raspberry Pi this weekend in anticipation of receiving my DualMiners on Monday. The instructions are really good, but I did run into a few bumps that I thought I'd let people know about.

First, I found that the "configure" script did not have execute permissions. The current instructions show setting execute permissions for the autogen.sh script, but you also have to do it for the configure script as well. It's kind of strange that these don't have the correct permissions in the git repository. That should probably be fixed to reduce friction for new users while setting up.

Second, after building cgminer from the git sources, I kept getting a "Unexpected extra commandline arguments" when calling the binary with a config file. At first I thought that the config file might have a problem in it, but after trial and error I found that there was nothing wrong with it.

It turns out that I the real problem was that cgminer was not happy unless I set the current directory to be the "bin" folder where it was installed. If I cd'd to the installed bin folder, it worked with the same config.

That's when I remembered that the build instructions indicated that the "configure" command should have a --prefix option, overriding the usual install location to sub folders in the source tree. I thought that was odd at the time, and different than the usual "configure/make/sudo make install" pattern, but I followed along anyway.

CruzCoins, did you specify the prefix folder for a reason? Maybe you're a developer and you need to manage multiple versions of cgminer? That would explain the need to control where it gets installed.

I think for an average user like me, who is only going to need a single copy of cgminer running on a dedicated Raspberry Pi that will only talk to DualMiners, it makes more sense to configure the sources to install in the usual "/usr/local" locations, which means leaving off the --prefix option.

Here's the steps that I used to build, with the above changes:

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git clone git://github.com/dualminer/dualminer-cgminer.git cgminer
cd cgminer
sudo chmod +x autogen.sh
sudo chmod +x configure
./autogen.sh
./configure --enable-dualminer --enable-scrypt --disable-opencl
make
sudo make install

Note that the "sudo" for the "make install" is required and normal because it will install the binary and libraries in the root owned /usr/local.

Once built and installed, you should be able to call cgminer from any directory, assuming that /usr/local/bin is on your path. I'm not a Raspberry Pi expert, but I think that this is included in your path by default. At least it was on my system.

Third, while setting up mineninja using the instructions from the DualMiner support website, I noticed that in several cases the HTML instructions had curly quotes. I think that if you copy these directly from the website, they probably won't work when pasted to your command line. So I replaced the curly quotes with regular ones before using any copied commands.

In particular, here's the mysql line granting privileges to the "anubis" user with non-curly quotes:

Code:
GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON anubis.* TO 'anubis'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'your password here my passwd is root';

If use of curly quotes is a real problem, and not just imagined by me, then maybe the site author could consider straightening the quotes so that other people won't have problems copying the commands.

Lastly, once I got mineninja running I used it to change the config. But when the web app saved the config file, it nuked the custom config settings that I had manually placed via text editor. I guess it did a complete replace of the config file rather than reading the existing config and extending it.

I assume that this is a mineninja "feature" and nothing to do with DualMiner or their port of the web app. I have to admit that I know next to nothing about mineninja at this point.

I just mention it here in case anyone tries using this mineninja and have manually edited their config (perhaps to set the --dualminer-pll option to your desired frequency, which I suspect is a pretty common thing to do). Instead, you'll probably have to pass this on the command line in the script you use to launch cgminer and keep it out of the config file.

That's about all that I ran into so far. Most of the issues are just nits anyway. I'm pretty impressed as to how easy this setup has been.

Looking forward to receiving my DualMiners so that I can get started doing some actual mining ;-)

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March 11, 2014, 12:27:26 PM
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Hi, edonkey
     
    The Pi Guide has updated according to your feedback. Thank you so much.
       
      http://support.dualminer.com/raspberry-pi-user-guide/
   
    BTW: The BeagleBone Black User Guide released.

      http://support.dualminer.com/beagleboard-black-user-guide/
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March 11, 2014, 02:09:07 PM
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After running 20 DualMiner 2 units for about 12 hours, I've seen a total of 46 hardware errors as reported by mineninja. The errors are roughly distributed across the units. Only one of them had no errors.

Is this a normal error rate?

Note that I've got fans blowing over the units so I doubt this is a heat problem.

When I grep'd the log, the errors are all like the following example:

Code:
 [2014-03-10 19:17:25] DM11: invalid nonce - HW error

Note that when I count the error lines from the grep of the log, it shows twice as many hardware errors as reported by mineninja. Maybe cwminer double outputs the errors? I'm not clear which error total is more accurate.

In case it's relevant, I am running with the following command line because I wanted to try to increase the hash rate: --dualminer-pll 850

Should I stop using that frequency option? I don't see an appreciable increase in hash rate anyway. I'm seeing an average of around 66.5 KHs across the units currently.

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March 11, 2014, 02:20:15 PM
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Guess power problem, volt drop amp drop

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March 11, 2014, 02:47:51 PM
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The price is not so good, if these were $30 then OK, but at $100 plus duty, vat and shipping it is not really viable. You can get gridseeds at around £140 or $200 each and they are 5 times faster......

imho

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March 11, 2014, 02:52:42 PM
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Guess power problem, volt drop amp drop

I'm using the recommended Orico P10 U2 USB hubs, with only 9 DualMiners per hub (as per CruzCoin's suggestions). Shouldn't they be fine? Also, the whole rig is plugged into a UPS.

Note that I also have a couple of Arctic Breeze Mobile USB-Powered 92mm fans. One is plugged into the main hub (which only has two DualMiners) and the other is plugged into my third hub (which has 9 DualMiners).

Maybe I should plug the fans into a dedicated hub?

Note that I plan to move the rig to a server closet which is temperature controlled. At that point I can probably lose the fans.

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March 11, 2014, 03:02:27 PM
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The price is not so good, if these were $30 then OK, but at $100 plus duty, vat and shipping it is not really viable. You can get gridseeds at around £140 or $200 each and they are 5 times faster......

Other people have made similar points. But when I looked at the 5 chip GridSeeds, I found it hard to get a bead on total system cost. With the 5 chip units, you need support hardware (power supply, controller, etc.). And I've never seen the 5 chip units for $200. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places.

With DualMiners, all you need is a decent powered hub and a computer to drive them. I already had the Raspberry Pi.

It would be interesting if someone did a breakdown of system costs, rather than just comparing the units themselves. Unfortunately I don't understand how to pull together a 5 chip GridSeed system, so I can't do that comparison.

I suspect there would still be a premium for DualMiners, but it might still be worth it given how simple they are to set up and manage.

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March 11, 2014, 03:07:37 PM
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Hello Dualminer, just sent you a PM. Thanks.
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After running 20 DualMiner 2 units for about 12 hours, I've seen a total of 46 hardware errors as reported by mineninja. The errors are roughly distributed across the units. Only one of them had no errors.

Is this a normal error rate?

Note that I've got fans blowing over the units so I doubt this is a heat problem.

When I grep'd the log, the errors are all like the following example:

Code:
 [2014-03-10 19:17:25] DM11: invalid nonce - HW error

Note that when I count the error lines from the grep of the log, it shows twice as many hardware errors as reported by mineninja. Maybe cwminer double outputs the errors? I'm not clear which error total is more accurate.

In case it's relevant, I am running with the following command line because I wanted to try to increase the hash rate: --dualminer-pll 850

Should I stop using that frequency option? I don't see an appreciable increase in hash rate anyway. I'm seeing an average of around 66.5 KHs across the units currently.

I would remove the -pll 850 parameter. I am getting appropriate hashrate without using the -dualminer-pll parameter, and I have noticed instability when using this parameter on previous versions of cgminer. Regarding your invalid nonce error, I get those too occasionally, though you should see less once you drop your pll parameter.  Are you mining over a wifi connection? This would be the next thing I investigate if removing the non-necessary parameters doesn't help and you are using 9 DMs per p10-u2.
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March 11, 2014, 04:40:55 PM
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I would remove the -pll 850 parameter. I am getting appropriate hashrate without using the -dualminer-pll parameter, and I have noticed instability when using this parameter on previous versions of cgminer. Regarding your invalid nonce error, I get those too occasionally, though you should see less once you drop your pll parameter.  Are you mining over a wifi connection? This would be the next thing I investigate if removing the non-necessary parameters doesn't help and you are using 9 DMs per p10-u2.

My rig is on a direct Ethernet connection, not Wifi. I'll take the parameter out and keep any eye on the logs.

Thanks CruzCoins!

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