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Do you really have a Facebook app and mobile app and plugin ?
Yep, though we are still beta testing them with our newest network update. We will make an announcement as soon as they are publicly available.
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January 22, 2014, 12:12:19 AM |
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In regards to the coinboss4life situation, and this is the last time I'm going to say this, we do NOT payout any winnings to accounts that violate our terms and conditions. Especially when done as blatantly as he did. He had every opportunity to read the terms and conditions, several times in fact, and he refused to acknowledge the fact that he was in violation of them. That is all there is to it. I also find it difficult to believe that a support rep would threaten his life and I think this is his way of trying to strong arm us into playing into his extortion racket. It's not going to work. I have included a screenshot of an email sent to our support address this morning that should make it very clear what we are dealing with here. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FW4IQlhA.png&t=665&c=gf0KI9LZX7U3ow) There's really nothing else to say on this matter. His account was terminated for a violation of terms and conditions, and that's the final word on that. Any legitimate players in our casino have no problem being paid out promptly, and having support requests handled quickly and efficiently, and we will continue to offer that same support to any legitimate players. We will NOT, however, bend over to scammers, extortionists, cheaters, and anyone violating our terms and conditions. The rules are very clear and we will not make exceptions. Wow. I can't believe that coinboss stooped so low as to make up a story about death threats. Good thing he left evidence that he lies.
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January 22, 2014, 12:52:01 AM |
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Well well. It seems like coinboss4life situation may not let up. I'm not on anyone' semidetached here and I don't want to add fuel to this fire, but I'll add my experiences with coinbet.cc in case someone is deciding to use this casino. I'm still deciding myself... I like the games but most importantly, I like what they're offering. Apologize in advance for the many grammatical errors in this post... Using my iPad ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) First - I have never made a deposit. I've only gambled with their free vouchers, but if real play is anything like the voucher play, I wouldn't play here. Why? Evidently there was an issue with the slots' difficulty level and the vouchers. Literally, none of the slots paid; thousands of spins not a single win. But I will say that the rep here has been extremely accommodating to this fact and he gave all who we're having issues another voucher when this was first realized. That voucher was the same thing after a couple of wins... One being a "big" win of about $20. After that win (not quite 30 minutes) the slots stopped paying completely. At this point, I started collecting screenshots to send to tech support as instructed. I didn't receive anything but a cookie cutter response. Since I couldn't use the voucher anymore, my account was credited directly. Again, the same. There were only two games I found that actually paid, but so little there's no way one could sustain a balance. The only reason I continued to play was to see how long it could go without a win. The rep here allowed me another chance at a free voucher because my claim was considered "legitimate." Again more slot difficulty issues, only two games paying. I also reached out to tech support and they were responsive and assured me they were working on the issue. No canned response, this was a rep who I communicated with, several times. I recognized the problems I was having as technical issues so there wasn't a need to accuse anything at that point. Not to mention, the vouchers were given out to test the games, so how could I complain?! So, thinking that maybe my account might be flagged as being one trying to scam, I figured I'd cancel that account and open a real one, with my real information. But prior to doing this I contacted the rep here, told him my intentions and requested for my first account to be cancelled. Oh, I wasn't able to access the transaction page at all on my original account, tried for days. I'm not sure why; I've never tried to withdraw, even before the latest withdrawal requirements, and I only had one account. My new account is actually attached to my real personal information; I wanted to make sure that by creating an account with first name Lucky, I wouldn't ruin my chance of ever being granted a real winning. Anyways, needless to say, it was the same with my new account, only the same two slots paying, and very little. There was another issue, although I can't recall if his happened my last play with my first account, or my first/only play under my real account. The scatters error was fixed somewhat (3 scatters resulted in free spins). Only problem, one game I had over 1500 free spins, no wins. Another slot was getting just as high so no need to entertain. I just started playing the game that was paying to see where it would go. Same as before. I sent tech support screenshots of the free spins lock up, didn't receive a response. That's it in a nutshell. I haven't launched an all out bashing because honestly I don't feel it's warranted in my situation... After all, the slot difficulty level was, possibly still is, tied directly to the free vouchers. And I've only used free vouchers to play. It wouldn't be fair for me to assess game play right now because I haven't had the opportunity to really play since I've had nothing but issues with the slots from the start. I'm feeling out others' experiences before making a deposit. But it won't be until that time I can provide a true assessment. I can't make a judgement just yet. Hope this makes sense. I believe in giving everyone a fair shot. For those who are familiar with a lot of my posts, you know I try to be as unbiased as possible, providing as much info as I can so you can make an informed decision. This is just another one of those
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January 22, 2014, 01:02:48 AM |
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If you genuinely believe that any person trying to scam a company is going to actually send that in a fucking email and admit to ILLEGAL DDOSing you're out of your mind. THINK WITH YOU BRAIN PEOPLE!!!! LISTEN to Coinbosses audio!!!!!!!
NOBODY PUT YOUR MONEY INTO COINBET.CC!!! If you ACTUALLY WIN a considerable amount of money you WILL NOT get your cash!!! Why would ANY criminal be SO FUCKING STUPID to say
"Here's exactly what I did and evidence proving that I committed this crime!! HAHA LOSER YOU WILL FAIL!!"
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.... Nobody trying to scam someone is going to tell a customer service representative, "hey I'm trying to scam you give me your money"
Yea, you sure would think someone wouldn't be that stupid, but sadly, that's the message that was received. Unless it's someone trying to play games, or stir the pot, it certainly appeared to come from him. Either way, we are done addressing this situation. Terms and conditions were violated, and quite blatantly, and in multiple ways. His accounts (Yes, MULTIPLE) have been banned as a result. There's nothing else to it.
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January 22, 2014, 01:29:36 AM Last edit: January 22, 2014, 01:46:28 AM by Lucky Cris |
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I had $750 in my account and it totally disappeared, while I was logged on even. They said I could deposit 1/3 and the balance will be "restored." Ok, maybe I'll do that, but what would be rollover requirements be then? I figured it should be the voucher plus bonus plus deposit, to make $400. They write back and say it's $1000! Where the heck did $1000 come from?! They just made it up I assume. Now the guy on this forum writes they don't want my business anymore (obviously not because it would cost them money, which they had in my account and then took away.) All I wanted to know was how much the rollover requirement would be and they couldn't give me a straight answer.
Did you deposit funds and if so, how much of that $750 was yours? If the balance of your voucher credit disappeared, that shouldn't be a surprise because the program was cancelled. And why were you told they didn't want your business anymore? I'm just curious because from your post, there's nothing that would warrant that. But... And I'm not taking sides here... They've made it pretty clear that you can't withdraw without making a deposit. EDIT - Never mind... Found post.
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January 22, 2014, 01:35:36 AM |
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_computer_ , I agree with most of what you say.
coinboss , how did coinbet get your personal information? I didn't give them a thing.
You violate their terms and conditions if you give false info; your personal information is required when you sign up.
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January 22, 2014, 01:37:31 AM |
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You violate their terms and conditions if you give false info; your personal information is required when you sign up.
Personal info is not required. We allow anonymous sign ups. Regardless, that's not how he violated terms and conditions. He violated them by operating multiple accounts and using them to claim multiple bonuses using the same deposits (transferring funds between accounts, then claiming additional bonuses on the secondary accounts). Alright so how about you post the email headers with checksum?? Why isn't your organization following a report about the ILLEGAL OPERATIONS that supposedly attacked your small amazon webserver? Why is there absolutely no evidence of his account being in violation of the terms and service, meanwhile CoinBoss4Life's posted a full on conversation of a manager I'VE PERSONALLY SPOKEN WITH stating in blatant fully understandable english "You ARE NOT in violation of the terms of service and Your account was cleared of manual review." ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? See the thing is CoinBet, I **know** that email is fake that was posted here a few comments ago. There's not getting around it.. I know that you won't be able to provide actual proof of that message because I **know** your lying because I **know** that fucking voice that explicitly stated Diaz didn't cheat... "REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYONE DID OR DID NOT TELL HIM" <------------------ pay attention to this line people... "Regardless of what the evidence is" As far as I'm aware, no one attacked our servers. That being said, if a server was attacked, I would probably not be aware of it anyway. All I know is that it was mentioned in the email. I do not think it actually occurred. Like I said, as far as I'm aware. I don't know what your deal is, or if you are part of Mr. Diaz's little scammer crew, but go fuck yourself. I have nothing to prove to you. I'm just doing my job and legitimate players tend to enjoy the ongoing support I, and others here, often bend over backwards to provide. I honestly don't care what anyone else told him. That person was wrong! For the last time: IF YOU VIOLATE OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS YOUR ACCOUNT WILL BE TERMINATED. Period.
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January 22, 2014, 01:37:48 AM |
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CoinBet how about you answer my question.
Was that a fake manager on the phone? That was a fake phone call? Because guess what, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT VOICE!!! You said his account was cleared of investigation multiple times. How about you send me the headers on that email with a checksum? Oh yeah, because you're 100% falsifying that data. It is EASILY detected if there's been a DDOS on your website by analyzing the traffic, at no point did your servers go offline from DDOSing. You should be ASHAMED of yourself MAN!!! This is so beyond ridiculous I cannot wait until the owner of that E2 box comes out because if you think you're getting away with everyone's cash you're sadly mistaken... I 100% believe CoinBoss4Life and anybody who doesn't IS NOT PAYING FULL ATTENTION, this site is rigged to take your winning bets, and the programs are rigged to force you to lose 1500 spins straight. These guys are terrible coders and software developers who don't understand how a business becomes successful, they are EXCLUSIVE and ELUSIVE when it comes to getting real answers. All I'm saying is that when there are SO many other BTC gambling sites that have clean records, why would you use this one?? They've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they are shady...
PONZI PONZI PONZI
I can't speak with certainty on the actions of others, nor do I know what they do, who they talk to, etc. I can only speak on my own actions and Mr. Diaz definitely never spoke to me. *I* did not get away with anyone's cash, and nor did anyone else here. When you sign up and play on coinbet.cc, you agree to the terms and conditions therein. If you violate those terms and conditions, your account is suspended and you forfeit any winnings. It's clearly written for anyone to see. We did, however, offer him a full refund of any deposits made. We don't have to do that - the terms and conditions state that account balances are forfeited as well, if you violate the rules. That's just our attempt at not being dicks about the banning, despite the fact that this has gotten beyond convoluted, ridiculous, and full of bullshit accusations. All other shit aside, the flat out bottom line, as I've said before, is he violated the terms and conditions. Regardless of what anyone else did or did not tell him, that is the flat fact. He knows it, we know it, and something tells me you know it as well. Alright so how about you post the email headers with checksum?? Why isn't your organization following a report about the ILLEGAL OPERATIONS that supposedly attacked your small amazon webserver? Why is there absolutely no evidence of his account being in violation of the terms and service, meanwhile CoinBoss4Life's posted a full on conversation of a manager I'VE PERSONALLY SPOKEN WITH stating in blatant fully understandable english "You ARE NOT in violation of the terms of service and Your account was cleared of manual review." ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? See the thing is CoinBet, I **know** that email is fake that was posted here a few comments ago. There's not getting around it.. I know that you won't be able to provide actual proof of that message because I **know** your lying because I **know** that fucking voice that explicitly stated Diaz didn't cheat... "REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYONE DID OR DID NOT TELL HIM" <------------------ pay attention to this line people... "Regardless of what the evidence is" Can you post a copy of the police report. It's legal under the freedom of information act.
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January 22, 2014, 01:58:31 AM |
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This article most applies to telephone tapping... Not he same as recording a call. There are also only a few states where both parties have to be notified to record a conversation. A loophole in the law... only one party has to be in the know; doesn't matter if that party is the one recording the conversation, as long as he's a participant in the convo, he's free to record. That's in the US though. Not sure about other countries. Where is coinbet.cc based from anyway? Doesn't matter one way or the other for me I could care less honestly. As long as I get the entertainment I pay for, they could be based out to Timbucktoo.
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January 22, 2014, 02:03:49 AM |
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Where is coinbet.cc based from anyway? Doesn't matter one way or the other for me I could care less honestly. As long as I get the entertainment I pay for, they could be based out to Timbucktoo.
It's in our F.A.Q. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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January 22, 2014, 02:43:32 AM |
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Where is coinbet.cc based from anyway? Doesn't matter one way or the other for me I could care less honestly. As long as I get the entertainment I pay for, they could be based out to Timbucktoo.
It's in our F.A.Q. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) All these elusive answers and answers like its in our FAQ...why not just answer the question? And any site owner saying "f" you to people is not someone I want to be associated with. Regarding the scammer email, I would be surprised if the guy sent that email to coinbet, it just doesn't sit right with me. But I have no proof, but if coinbet made up that email, how could anyone do business with a company like that? I mean it makes me think they'd find an excuse not to pay a big win.
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January 22, 2014, 02:53:45 AM |
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All these elusive answers and answers like its in our FAQ...why not just answer the question? And any site owner saying "f" you to people is not someone I want to be associated with. Regarding the scammer email, I would be surprised if the guy sent that email to coinbet, it just doesn't sit right with me. But I have no proof, but if coinbet made up that email, how could anyone do business with a company like that? I mean it makes me think they'd find an excuse not to pay a big win.
I have no problem answering, I was just pointing out that it's not anything we hide, nor is it a simple answer. CoinBet maintains its legal formation in Panama, holds its gaming licenses and permits in Costa Rica & Ireland, and currently has eleven offices on three different continents. Oh and I can promise you the owner of Coinbet did not say anything to anyone here. As far as the email, I'm not going to go through the trouble of creating a fake email. It's not in my job description and I don't get paid nearly enough to do that kind of thing, nor would I even know how, to be completely frank with you. I was debating whether or not I should even post the email when we received it, but in the end, I felt that I showed, at the very least, how convoluted and ridiculous this situation was becoming. All over a terms of service violation. It just seems quite silly to me, to be honest with you. I've offered the guy a refund on any deposits he made, so have others here, he refuses to take it. Seems kinda odd, doesn't it? There's definitely an end game here that I'm failing to comprehend, I don't know why this guy is doing the things he's doing. Regardless, my job is to handle player support and that's what I'm doing. I'm not here to argue, nor would I want to anyway. I just want people to understand that if you violate the T&C, you will be terminated. I can't do anything to change that, nor would I want to, but it's something every player should know. I, personally, would not be playing anywhere without reading and making sure I understand the terms I agree to by doing so. If you abide by the terms and conditions, you won't have any trouble playing on our site and many, many people who enjoy our site every day can attest to that.
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January 22, 2014, 03:28:59 AM Last edit: January 22, 2014, 03:39:42 AM by BitcoinzRulez |
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Damn Damn Damn. My intention (although i had some issues early with this site and their bitcoin/cash conversion), was always to deposit $5,000 in bitcoins and get a $10,000 bonus. There is just so much negative stuff about this site and barely anything positive.
in addition I've found some other negative press on a site called "bitcoinscammers." I would assume that its from some of the posters from here, but who knows. Probably just not worth the risk...
At this point I just dont think this site is worth it. There's too much sketchiness surrounding this place.
At a minimum I would like for the owners to post their wallet address so we know they actually have the money they claim to have.
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January 22, 2014, 03:37:05 AM Last edit: January 22, 2014, 03:47:20 AM by CoinBet |
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At a minimum I would like for the owners to post their wallet address so we know they actually have the money they claim to have.
I'm not the owners, but I can tell you we have about 700+ wallet addresses. Keeping all BTC in one wallet is just asking for trouble. If you have any questions about coinbet, or want more information, you are - as always - free to email support@coinbet.cc. One thing I can tell you, while we definitely encourage people to try us out, and enjoy working with our legitimate players, we also encourage you to read our terms, try us out if you want, and ultimately do whats best for you. Confusion, people not understanding our terms and conditions, and people misunderstanding our bonuses or special offers doesn't do any good for anyone. Definitely not for you, and definitely not for us.
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January 22, 2014, 03:48:00 AM |
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At a minimum I would like for the owners to post their wallet address so we know they actually have the money they claim to have.
One thing I can tell you, while we definitely encourage people to try us out, and enjoy working with our legitimate players, we also encourage you to read our terms, try us out if you want, and ultimately do whats best for you. Confusion, people not understanding our terms and conditions, and people misunderstanding our bonuses or special offers doesn't do any good for anyone. Definitely not for you, and definitely not for us. To me, that just sounds like some catch-all to find some way to avoid paying if people win. and having 700 addresses is just a flat out lie. i probably have more bitcoins than you do and i have roughly 10 addresses. 700 addresses, passwords, 2 factor authentication, varying bitcoin sites, would be almost IMPOSSIBLE to keep track of. I'm sorry, but everything out of your mouth in this thread is either evasive, ignorant or just a lie. IF i'm wrong (and that IS possible) you've gone about marketing your site completely wrong. You need to go back to the drawing board and start over. slots that dont pay out, bitcoins that aren't used for gambling, poker that doesn't show up as a tab, saying you dont need to reg with personal info (when you actually did), bonuses that dont pay out, winnings that dont pay out. ITS ENOUGH ALREADY. START SHOWING SOME LEGITIMACY BY DOING THINGS RIGHT.
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January 22, 2014, 03:58:06 AM |
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To me, that just sounds like some catch-all to find some way to avoid paying if people win.
and having 700 addresses is just a flat out lie. i probably have more bitcoins than you do and i have roughly 10 addresses. 700 addresses, passwords, 2 factor authentication, varying bitcoin sites, would be almost IMPOSSIBLE to keep track of.
I'm sorry, but everything out of your mouth in this thread is either evasive, ignorant or just a lie.
IF i'm wrong (and that IS possible) you've gone about marketing your site completely wrong. You need to go back to the drawing board and start over. slots that dont pay out, bitcoins that aren't used for gambling, poker that doesn't show up as a tab, saying you dont need to reg with personal info (when you actually did), bonuses that dont pay out, winnings that dont pay out.
ITS ENOUGH ALREADY. START SHOWING SOME LEGITIMACY BY DOING THINGS RIGHT.
Look, if people can't play by the rules, then they will not get any winnings that result from failing to do so. It really is that simple. If someone fails to understand the rules, and wants their deposit back, that's no problem. We aren't here to steal anyone's money, but we also don't want to waste our time with people who fail to comprehend simple terms and conditions. I hate to put it in these terms, but if you don't like the rules, don't play on the site! I don't know how I can make it any simpler. Plenty of people like it just fine. If it's not for you, and you don't want to play, we won't be offended by your decision.
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January 22, 2014, 04:32:26 AM |
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To me, that just sounds like some catch-all to find some way to avoid paying if people win.
and having 700 addresses is just a flat out lie. i probably have more bitcoins than you do and i have roughly 10 addresses. 700 addresses, passwords, 2 factor authentication, varying bitcoin sites, would be almost IMPOSSIBLE to keep track of.
I'm sorry, but everything out of your mouth in this thread is either evasive, ignorant or just a lie.
IF i'm wrong (and that IS possible) you've gone about marketing your site completely wrong. You need to go back to the drawing board and start over. slots that dont pay out, bitcoins that aren't used for gambling, poker that doesn't show up as a tab, saying you dont need to reg with personal info (when you actually did), bonuses that dont pay out, winnings that dont pay out.
ITS ENOUGH ALREADY. START SHOWING SOME LEGITIMACY BY DOING THINGS RIGHT.
Look, if people can't play by the rules, then they will not get any winnings that result from failing to do so. It really is that simple. If someone fails to understand the rules, and wants their deposit back, that's no problem. We aren't here to steal anyone's money, but we also don't want to waste our time with people who fail to comprehend simple terms and conditions. I hate to put it in these terms, but if you don't like the rules, don't play on the site! I don't know how I can make it any simpler. Plenty of people like it just fine. If it's not for you, and you don't want to play, we won't be offended by your decision. Listen coinbet you keep saying it's all the customers fault if they don't "play by the rules" but you guys are the ones who put out vague terms if service and vague voucher rules. I know earlier in this thread you even got caught in a mistake/lie about how many times you need to rollover the bonuses (3 times in FAQ and 10 Times in the terms). I mean, why haven't you fixed that yet in the terms in your site? It could be like the other poster said, you will just have en excuse not to pay. And you had certain rules and then changed them on the vouchers - everyone who followed the whole fiasco knows that. So you guys need to work on clarity and consistency before blaming the players.
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January 22, 2014, 04:39:05 AM |
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Listen coinbet you keep saying it's all the customers fault if they don't "play by the rules" but you guys are the ones who put out vague terms if service and vague voucher rules. I know earlier in this thread you even got caught in a mistake/lie about how many times you need to rollover the bonuses (3 times in FAQ and 10 Times in the terms). I mean, why haven't you fixed that yet in the terms in your site? It could be like the other poster said, you will just have en excuse not to pay. And you had certain rules and then changed them on the vouchers - everyone who followed the whole fiasco knows that. So you guys need to work on clarity and consistency before blaming the players.
I'll be the first to admit we have had issues with regards to support reps being aware of terms, caught up on any changes quick enough, etc. but at the same time, we have been VERY flexible with regards to situations that were related to that (e.g. giving people the bonuses they expected, despite the terms, etc). We've even given bonuses to people who violated our terms without realizing it, paid out more than people won, and more! We bend over backwards trying to give people what they expect, until a situation arises where it becomes obvious someone is taking advantage of us and violating terms on purpose. That's where we draw the line, and that's where things become upsetting.
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January 22, 2014, 04:49:35 AM |
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Where is coinbet.cc based from anyway? Doesn't matter one way or the other for me I could care less honestly. As long as I get the entertainment I pay for, they could be based out to Timbucktoo.
It's in our F.A.Q. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) All these elusive answers and answers like its in our FAQ...why not just answer the question? And any site owner saying "f" you to people is not someone I want to be associated with. Regarding the scammer email, I would be surprised if the guy sent that email to coinbet, it just doesn't sit right with me. But I have no proof, but if coinbet made up that email, how could anyone do business with a company like that? I mean it makes me think they'd find an excuse not to pay a big win. I don't think his response was eluding my question. I'm actually glad this information can be found, in writing, on their site. I just read the T&Cs and the FAQs.... actually.... I think I'll grab my laptop before I say anymore about that.
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January 22, 2014, 04:59:52 AM |
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At a minimum I would like for the owners to post their wallet address so we know they actually have the money they claim to have.
One thing I can tell you, while we definitely encourage people to try us out, and enjoy working with our legitimate players, we also encourage you to read our terms, try us out if you want, and ultimately do whats best for you. Confusion, people not understanding our terms and conditions, and people misunderstanding our bonuses or special offers doesn't do any good for anyone. Definitely not for you, and definitely not for us. To me, that just sounds like some catch-all to find some way to avoid paying if people win. and having 700 addresses is just a flat out lie. i probably have more bitcoins than you do and i have roughly 10 addresses. 700 addresses, passwords, 2 factor authentication, varying bitcoin sites, would be almost IMPOSSIBLE to keep track of. I'm sorry, but everything out of your mouth in this thread is either evasive, ignorant or just a lie. IF i'm wrong (and that IS possible) you've gone about marketing your site completely wrong. You need to go back to the drawing board and start over. slots that dont pay out, bitcoins that aren't used for gambling, poker that doesn't show up as a tab, saying you dont need to reg with personal info (when you actually did), bonuses that dont pay out, winnings that dont pay out. ITS ENOUGH ALREADY. START SHOWING SOME LEGITIMACY BY DOING THINGS RIGHT. Again, not on anyone's side here. But I probably have 500 addresses, give or take. So I wouldn't call that a lie right off. And I can't speak about any other games except for the slots. I'm learning poker (getting good at bluffing ;P and I don't know shit about sports. If I'm watching a game with my hubbie, I choose "my team" based on their colors.... Hey, knock it off, yes I'm a true girly girl. But can you blame them for being on the defense? If we can flick them off and call them out, why can't they do the same? Let's not talk of professionalism when running a bitcoin related business. That's a whole other post that would include prolly the majority. We all have our guards up, that's only natural. But I do have a few questions about their T&Cs I'm about to post.
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