Gavin will visit the Council on Foreign Relations

[drrussellshane]

Is there a youtube link or something that I have missed?

I was unable to "do it live" in the words of Bill O'Reilly.

[BCB]

Is there a youtube link or something that I have missed?

http://www.cfr.org/economics/voices-next-generation-gavin-andresen-bitcoin/p32339

[remotemass]

I'll leave this here in the context of helping to understand the problem that fractional reserve banking poses and the necessity for the separation of money and State.
https://www.youtube.com/user/PositiveMoneyUK

[yatsey87]

Is their a TLDR of what happen at this talk?

It wasn't that exciting really. I thought it'd be more in depth, so you're not missing much.

[guybrushthreepwood]

just finished it.

fantastic performance by Gavin. he comes across as measured, thoughtful, caring, and with the right principles. he also hit on many important points and answered questions appropriately.

couldn't have been better. this is why we have Gavin as the Chief Scientist.

+1

It is a pitty that the myths of money policies and necessity of central bank intervention were left in the air as they were. I wish all the cumbersomeness of the economic theories was shown and made more apparent to rather fall apart.

agreed but i'll settle for when Gavin in response to the interviewers diatribe about the benefits of central banking, crinkled his nose and said (i paraphrase), "yeeeah, i don't know."  he then went on to highlight the problems with Zimbabwe and said that most Bitcoiners think the central bank has done a "horrible job".

there wasn't time for much more.

Douglas A. Rediker,
Visiting Fellow,
Peterson Institute for International Economics;
Former Member,
Executive Board,
International Monetary Fund
Who was the guy interviewing Gavin?

IMF. He seemed alright, but clearly he is the devil in disguise  .

[WuttWutt]

i am more interested in CFR member's opinion on bitcoin than to hear gavin's rehashed, monotone story again

also, live viewer in the comment said only 300 ppl were watching. #fail majeure

[BCB]

Is their a TLDR of what happen at this talk?

It is not the content (anyone in bitcoin knows and understand that) as much as the humble diplomacy with which Gavin explains to the establishment how this technology just makes sense.  And it it not fire and brimstone.  His best answers are the entirely truthful:  "I don't know" because as we all know the potential of this technology is limitless.

Worth a watch if only for an example of how to engage skeptics  - not with fierce opposition and argument but with subtle and engaging charm.

[JohnsonRobinson]

Yes, Gavin handled the tricky questions very well.

I kept trying to picture the scene had Andreas Antonopolous been answering.  He is also an excellent voice for bitcoin but he would have done some serious shredding of some of these agenda-laden questions. 

[guybrushthreepwood]

Is their a TLDR of what happen at this talk?

It is not the content (anyone in bitcoin knows and understand that) as much as the humble diplomacy with which Gavin explains to the establishment how this technology just makes sense.  And it it not fire and brimstone.  His best answers are the entirely truthful:  "I don't know" because as we all know the potential of this technology is limitless.

Worth a watch if only for an example of how to engage skeptics  - not with fierce opposition and argument but with subtle and engaging charm.

They didn't seem overly sceptical. I thought it would be a drilling/grilling, but it was far more relaxed.

[JohnsonRobinson]

Only the uneducated believe in conspiracy theories.

What are you?  On F*^%$%g glue?

[BCB]

Is their a TLDR of what happen at this talk?

It is not the content (anyone in bitcoin knows and understand that) as much as the humble diplomacy with which Gavin explains to the establishment how this technology just makes sense.  And it it not fire and brimstone.  His best answers are the entirely truthful:  "I don't know" because as we all know the potential of this technology is limitless.

Worth a watch if only for an example of how to engage skeptics  - not with fierce opposition and argument but with subtle and engaging charm.

They didn't seem overly sceptical. I thought it would be a drilling/grilling, but it was far more relaxed.

Yes, the interviewer admitted to being a skeptic but the conversation was cordial and informative.  And I'm sure they had cocktails or dinner after with additional questions and conversation.  And the skeptics walk away thinking, here is a smart, articulate family man who obviously believes in this.  Maybe I better take a deeper look.  And it is fear and lack of knowledge for the protocol that is what causes most of the FUD.  You can event witness this in the NYS DFS bitlicense hearings.  Lawsky started off all fire and brim stone comparing Charlie Shrem, by association, with Terrorists, financial criminals and other illicit actors, and with a clear indication that he felt bitcoin was bad. He even invoked the memory of 9/11 stating we are only 100 yards from the WTC where 1000's lost their lives because of terrorists ability to move massive amounts of money illegally (no true actually - they moved most of it legally!).  

But by the second day you could see that he and his colleagues were asking really thoughtful and probing question as they began to understand the value and the potential of the technology.

I only mention this to counter the stance of the crypto-anarchist libertarians who like to say "Fuck the Fed" and other inciting opposition stances.  

My argument is that we make much greater progress in advancing our position by thoughtful and reasonable discourse.

 

[d(o_o)b]

Only the uneducated believe in conspiracy theories.

What are you?  On F*^%$%g glue?

Only a$$oles say stupid things like "Only the uneducated believe in conspiracy theories."

[yatsey87]

Only the uneducated believe in conspiracy theories.

What are you?  On F*^%$%g glue?

I think the term 'conspiracy theory' is used to mock and denigrate now as any legitimate concern is mixed in with all the nonsense claims of aliens and Illuminati crap, but the NSA revelations were just a 'conspiracy theory' up until a short while ago.

[tvbcof]

Yes, Gavin handled the tricky questions very well.

I kept trying to picture the scene had Andreas Antonopolous been answering.  He is also an excellent voice for bitcoin but he would have done some serious shredding of some of these agenda-laden questions. 

Most of the CFR members understand thourougly the mechanics of money and power.  They might get someone like Antonopolous in to do tricks for their amusement, but generally the probably have more important things to do.

It is people more like Gavin who pose a genuine threat to the power structures that the CFR folks have cultivated.  Whether Gavin is actually one of these is less clear to me.

[hilariousandco]

Only the uneducated believe in conspiracy theories.

What are you?  On F*^%$%g glue?

I think the term 'conspiracy theory' is used to mock and denigrate now as any legitimate concern is mixed in with all the nonsense claims of aliens and Illuminati crap, but the NSA revelations were just a 'conspiracy theory' up until a short while ago.

Now it's a conspiracy fact  .

[knight22]

Only the uneducated believe in conspiracy theories.

[guybrushthreepwood]

Is their a TLDR of what happen at this talk?

It is not the content (anyone in bitcoin knows and understand that) as much as the humble diplomacy with which Gavin explains to the establishment how this technology just makes sense.  And it it not fire and brimstone.  His best answers are the entirely truthful:  "I don't know" because as we all know the potential of this technology is limitless.

Worth a watch if only for an example of how to engage skeptics  - not with fierce opposition and argument but with subtle and engaging charm.

They didn't seem overly sceptical. I thought it would be a drilling/grilling, but it was far more relaxed.

Yes, the interviewer admitted to being a skeptic but the conversation was cordial and informative.  And I'm sure they had cocktails or dinner after with additional questions and conversation.  And the skeptics walk away thinking, here is a smart, articulate family man who obviously believes in this.

Yeah, being sceptical is fine, but it's when that misunderstanding turns into fear and anger based on nothing but ignorance then it becomes a problem.

[yatsey87]

What are you?  On F*^%$%g glue?

Only a$$oles say stupid things like "Only the uneducated believe in conspiracy theories."

I think the term 'conspiracy theory' is used to mock and denigrate now as any legitimate concern is mixed in with all the nonsense claims of aliens and Illuminati crap, but the NSA revelations were just a 'conspiracy theory' up until a short while ago.

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you mad

Nope. You troll?

[knight22]

Nope. You troll?

he mad

No. You are just clueless.

[jbreher]

 And it is fear and lack of knowledge for the protocol that is what causes most of the FUD.  

I disagree. This is the group that Runs The World. Central banking is perhaps the sharpest tool they have used to amass the power they now have. They know this. Any diminution of the dominance of fiat currency is a very real reduction in their power. While evil, they are not stupid. Bitcoin (or more properly cryptocurrencies in general) is a very real threat to their hegemony, power, and lifestyles.