Gavin will visit the Council on Foreign Relations

[Adrian-x]

Bitcoin will survive but Gavin may be scarred for life.

Going with the Star Wars meme

Yoda played by: Satoshi
Luke played by:Gavin,
CFR played by: The Empire – lead by Darth Vader

There will be taint
Luke : I feel the good in you
Darth: join me...

... Risking his life sure but he just loses a hand in the end.

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[guybrushthreepwood]

having aljazeera there as press brings alot of suspicion. knowing their agenda and who they work for..

What is their agenda and who do they work for?

Here is a brief history on the origin and purpose of the CFR with some must see quotes from influential members. Invest 35 min


Rule from the Shadows - The Psychology of Power - Part 1

I meant Aljazeera lol.

[TheButterZone]

having aljazeera there as press brings alot of suspicion. knowing their agenda and who they work for..

Al Jazeera has come a long way and is, in fact, a respected news organisation.

Indeed. Any organization that would hire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lori_Jane_Gliha isn't the worst out there.

[jbreher]

Please don't be so naive. Many of these think tanks you all despise actually do quality work, you don't need to agree with their politics to see that.

I don't think that anyone was asserting that they do shoddy work. However, when there is a group who _conspires_ (in the true sense of the word) to rule over the vast majority of their fellow humans, I'd rather they not be particularly good at it. Vast skill in doing evil is certainly NOT preferable to bungling while attempting evil.

straw man down

[imanikin]

The countdown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgFUAhz7h2U

[Hippie Tech]

The countdown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgFUAhz7h2U

OMFG !! They're gonna launch a coin !

[Lloydie]

The countdown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgFUAhz7h2U

OMFG !! They're gonna launch a coin !

How do you know this? Is this FUD? My humour detector is not very good.

[Hippie Tech]

The countdown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgFUAhz7h2U

OMFG !! They're gonna launch a coin !

How do you know this? Is this FUD? My humour detector is not very good.

I'm soo SERIAL !

Hillary is in on it.

Behold ! SNUKEcoin.

[seljo]

I hope he gets back from there today and with some good news. 

[Patel]

I hope he gets back from there today and with some good news. 

I hope he gets back from there, period. lol

[knight22]

It’s live
http://www.cfr.org/economics/voices-next-generation-gavin-andresen-bitcoin/p32339

[btcusury]

I've accepted an invitation to do a question and answer session at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) in Washington, DC on Thursday, February 6, 2014.

Congratulations on being invited to speak at the CFR, it's an honor and a milestone for the bitcoin community.

Really? How so, exactly?

Is it because they are a powerful bunch? The Mafia is also a powerful group of people; if they invited Gavin to speak, would you consider that an "honor and a milestone for the bitcoin community"?

Or is it because you believe they are nice, honest people?

Please don't be so naive. Many of these think tanks you all despise actually do quality work, you don't need to agree with their politics to see that. Read a copy of Foreign Affairs sometime and you'll see that the analysis is professional and comprehensive, whatever the policy recommendations happen to be.

It's an honor for Gavin to represent bitcoin at the CFR because it shows that some of the nation's top researchers take bitcoin seriously. Why else would they bother inviting him? Only the uneducated believe in conspiracy theories.

Let's not forget that "think tank" can refer to almost any social-political research institution.

It's actually quite the opposite: Only the uneducated use the term "conspiracy theory."

I question your premises:

Can you explain what exactly makes CFR members "some of the nation's top researchers"?

Can you elucidate what exactly constitutes a "professional and comprehensive" analysis of geopolitics?

Can you explain to me why you are holding these people as honorable authorities?

I think you're the one who's being extremely naive. Can you show us an example of their "quality work"? Are you into empire building, war-mongering, grand-scale mass murder (aka war), creating Big Lies, wealth accumulation, resource stealing, predatory lending...? Is that what you're calling "quality work"?

This level of cluelessness in a Bitcoin forum is surprising.

[MikeH]

the CFR - reminds me of this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCOqF8gZeh8

[Adrian-x]

I missed the first 10 minutes so if anyone finds the video please list it.

All in all Gavin did well, he wasn't the guy to challenge TPTB on the merits of Austrian economics, but did a great job of expressing illustrating Bitcoins decentralized nature.

I think my take away is Bitcoin is supported buy a bunch of nutters who would rather give money to poor people than fund regime change, or encouraged corporate resource extraction for "mutual benefit " "the greater good" monopolistic profit.  

I don't think he emphasized enough, the blockchain as a tool to track money in crime is superior to cash and unlike other records "corporate fraud" you can't burn the records.

No value here, it's a flawed system trying to disrupt PayPal rent seeking, central banks weren't challenged.

[MikeH]

regime change even through apparent revolution is nearly always based on lies..

[NewLiberty]

I missed the first 10 minutes so if anyone finds the video please list it.

All in all Gavin did well, he wasn't the guy to challenge TPTB on the merits of Austrian economics, but did a great job of expressing illustrating Bitcoins decentralized nature.

I think my take away is Bitcoin is supported buy a bunch of nutters who would rather give money to poor people than fund regime change, or encouraged corporate resource extraction for "mutual benefit " "the greater good" monopolistic profit.  

I don't think he emphasized enough, the blockchain as a tool to track money in crime is superior to cash and unlike other records "corporate fraud" you can't burn the records.

No value here, it's a flawed system trying to disrupt PayPal rent seeking, central banks weren't challenged.

That the bitcoin blockchain is open and unencrypted is part of why governments are as complacent about it as they are.

The session was recorded to the CFR youtube channel.
You can watch it again and again if you like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgFUAhz7h2U

This was wise for everyone.  Maybe they read enough of this thread to sort of "get it".  The CFR has an interest in making their group less scary to people, even though many of their ideas and goals are very wrong headed¹, they do engage in debate and this stuff gets discussed even if their innate sense of entitlement and assurance in their knowledge of "the way things ought to be" leads them down so many dead ends.

If you want to know the CFR better, I'd recommend reading their public magazines and publications.  Like any group the members are fairly diverse, but overall have a particular slant.  Theirs is very much slanted for TPTB.  Maybe the CFR should come out with "compliancecoin" complete with central bank keynesian adjustments at all the wrong times and directions and beholden to political forces just like the central bankers use.


¹That their members are openly proud of money backed by military might and float extraterrestrial asteroids as justification for this is sufficient evidence in just this one video.

[Hippie Tech]

the CFR - reminds me of this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCOqF8gZeh8

You and the other 90% of the World.

Big thanks goes out to everyone who participated in my poll / debate.

Final tally : (BOOOO!)--> ACCEPT 184 + (YAAAY WOOOT WOOHOOO !)--> DECLINE 85 =  Things are not as grim as I once thought.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418110.0

pEACe
HT xD 

[cypherdoc]

just finished it.

fantastic performance by Gavin. he comes across as measured, thoughtful, caring, and with the right principles. he also hit on many important points and answered questions appropriately.

couldn't have been better. this is why we have Gavin as the Chief Scientist.

[tvbcof]

...
If you want to know the CFR better, I'd recommend reading their public magazines and publications.  Like any group the members are fairly diverse, but overall have a particular slant.  Theirs is very much slanted for TPTB. ...

I followed someone's link the other day to the front page of their website.  Of the 6 articles I saw on was by Elliot Abrams and another by Max Boot.  That's enough to convince me that the organization is yet another nest of neocon wankers.  Yawn.

[jbreher]

straw man down

Wikipedia logician detected.

Not even _that_ sophisticated. Just calling 'em as I see 'em.