[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[splawik21]

btw nice buys of btc! probably to buy more dash, setup nodes and let the votes go ! )

edit: v12 will bring vote-alias option, cool, thnx devs

How did you make the vote with your sharing MN?
You ask all customer, and if >50% for a MN agree then you vote?
 

So far doing the survey after all I`ll see how many MNs goes Yea and how many Nay.
After all in masternode.conf will leave only nodes for Yea and vote-many.... the same with Nay....

What prove the customer, that you don't make the vote as "YOU" want..?

You are powerfull man now with all this vote power.  

Yeah sure
They have access to the monitoring, know the IP of the MNs so they can check the IP vote

[Lebubar]

Yes!
I'm on page 5000:



 

[splawik21]

How to switch off the automatic backups of the wallets in v11.2.23?

[the-baker]

How to switch off the automatic backups of the wallets in v11.2.23?

Couldn't you just set createwalletbackups to 0?

[GhostPlayer]

Please note, this was an update for limecoinx. This is not a new coin. I myself am also dash node operator. I'm on your side!

Regards

Glad to have you on board, consider contributing to the code since you have the ability to do that, the dev team is always in need of help.

Yeah dude! Please commit the QT paper wallet generator, that would be awesome!

[Lebubar]

How to switch off the automatic backups of the wallets in v11.2.23?

Couldn't you just set createwalletbackups to 0?

Or nothing new in the options? (I don't know I just upgrade daemon and not QT to 23)

[splawik21]

How to switch off the automatic backups of the wallets in v11.2.23?

Couldn't you just set createwalletbackups to 0?

Yes thnx, works

createwalletbackups=0

Or nothing new in the options? (I don't know I just upgrade daemon and not QT to 23)

Nope, in options there is no field to tick/untick

[coins101]

.........
Before voting myself I'd like to see more discussion about this. Pros and cons vs current proposition.

The original proposal to introduce allocations from the block rewards were to fund development work, and other projects. It was a much higher amount than the current proposals.

However, the funding is not just short-term. Its for the life of the protocol.

If any of the devs drop out, for whatever reason, the project can afford to keep funding development or maintenance.

The voting is controlled by the MNs through democracy. They will use the wisdom of the crowd based on their own selfish goals of making the network worth more.

If development work or any other work not related to coding stops, the network is in danger of death by apathy. Maintaining development keeps momentum to towards mainstream adoption.

Dash has to keep up a fast pace to catch-up with Bitcoins lead. If development slows down because people need to find other work to pay bills, bitcoin will keep extending its lead.

Full time development on multiple fronts, paid for by the protocol, enables the project to keep reducing the gap Bitcoin has built-up.

Handing over voting controls to MNs also removes central control.

At 10%, I think that is on the low side for what the project aims to achieve - chasing after a $3bn giant, from $14m base.

[crowning]

While masternode list votes shows all the nodes, these are not working:

dashd masternode list votes | grep -c YEA
dashd masternode list votes | grep -c NAY
dashd masternode list votes | grep -c ABSTAIN

What am I doing wrong?

They don't work for me either, and I updated, so..........?  I thought this chart: http://178.254.18.153/~pub/Dash/masternode_payments_stats.html would show the vote, but it doesn't.  Maybe that could be included?

Look again....yes, down there.

Just for you, my dear. Because you're the coolest Tante around here 

[TanteStefana2]

While masternode list votes shows all the nodes, these are not working:

dashd masternode list votes | grep -c YEA
dashd masternode list votes | grep -c NAY
dashd masternode list votes | grep -c ABSTAIN

What am I doing wrong?

They don't work for me either, and I updated, so..........?  I thought this chart: http://178.254.18.153/~pub/Dash/masternode_payments_stats.html would show the vote, but it doesn't.  Maybe that could be included?

Look again....yes, down there.

Just for you, my dear. Because you're the coolest Tante around here  

Er... um.... oops!  LOL    Yah, I'm a bit dingy, sorry!  LOL

Oh no, you just put them there!  LOL, thank you.  I thought I missed the obvious again, LOL

[Voter]

.........
Before voting myself I'd like to see more discussion about this. Pros and cons vs current proposition.

The original proposal to introduce allocations from the block rewards were to fund development work, and other projects. It was a much higher amount than the current proposals.

However, the funding is not just short-term. Its for the life of the protocol.

If any of the devs drop out, for whatever reason, the project can afford to keep funding development or maintenance.

The voting is controlled by the MNs through democracy. They will use the wisdom of the crowd based on their own selfish goals of making the network worth more.

If development work or any other work not related to coding stops, the network is in danger of death by apathy. Maintaining development keeps momentum to towards mainstream adoption.

Dash has to keep up a fast pace to catch-up with Bitcoins lead. If development slows down because people need to find other work to pay bills, bitcoin will keep extending its lead.

Full time development on multiple fronts, paid for by the protocol, enables the project to keep reducing the gap Bitcoin has built-up.

Handing over voting controls to MNs also removes central control.

At 10%, I think that is on the low side for what the project aims to achieve - chasing after a $3bn giant, from $14m base.

Good points.

For this to be effective it is crucial that the community always insist in the perfectioning of this Decentralized Governance System, especially regarding funding, so that it won't ever turn into a DASH's foible.

[thelonecrouton]

Vote: Self-sustainable Decentralized Governance by Blockchain

https://dashtalk.org/threads/vote-self-sustainable-decentralized-governance-by-blockchain.4825/

Great, great and great!!!

I have some vote and I'll vote tonight, ready to begin with the decentralized governance.

 

Carefully read this proposal.  It utilizes a commingled project wallet/blockchain store/escrow.  I don't see this as a true decentralized system.  Other alternatives may work better with less risk.

Yes, on my first post I din't had read all the proposal and the remarks yet...
So patience we'll see what they will  answer to the doubt on dashtalk.

Actually, I see no reason why funding the development of the project needs to be purely decentralized.  We have very decentralized voting (albeit only Masternode owners), why do we have to have a "decentralized wallet" to deposit coins into.  It makes no sense.  It isn't functional any other way, and it is still secured by the same decentralized network that secures everyone's wallet. 

This proposal will force funds into an escrow account exposed to theft/confiscation/loss/tax. The risk is higher with the more account holders, along with additional delays with more signers to get the funds out. Any account holder can be accused of something "illegal" in the eyes of a government entity and it will be traced back to this account.  I believe there are also additional tax consequences with block rewards going into a fund and then separated to project owners.  Plus a lot will need to be implement to even make this work - multisig masternode controls, budget software, budget voting, masternode approval for funds each month.

This proposal also has no mechanism to not fund this account(or return funds), so over time when the best projects are completed and the funds will be spent on poor projects or wasted.  A much bigger deal in a few years when DASH is 10x or 100x it's value and 10% of the block rewards is not the $290k/year like it is today.(although the other post of Evan's suggested a way to return funds, it isn't in this proposal)

This is the decentralized vision that I see.  
Each project owner controls his/her own wallet with the funds.  Each project is directly paid similar to masternodes getting payments over time from block rewards, only the project owner receives and controls the funds.  Quick, simple, no 'central fund' at risk, no fund manager/s.  Each project would get paid their specific % of the block rewards they request so there isn't any funds sitting in a queue waiting accumulate before they can be sent out each month.  The funding mechanism would also be the voting mechanism.  51% yes votes gets a project in the queue, and highest yes% gets priority until the 10% cap is reached.  Projects get voted in every 3 months and each project has a set limit for 3 months of block rewards.

Before voting myself I'd like to see more discussion about this. Pros and cons vs current proposition.

The wrangling went on here: https://dashtalk.org/threads/self-sustainable-decentralized-governance-by-blockchain.4708/   -   but it looks like we're getting the pork barrel.

[TanteStefana2]

.........
Before voting myself I'd like to see more discussion about this. Pros and cons vs current proposition.

The original proposal to introduce allocations from the block rewards were to fund development work, and other projects. It was a much higher amount than the current proposals.

However, the funding is not just short-term. Its for the life of the protocol.

If any of the devs drop out, for whatever reason, the project can afford to keep funding development or maintenance.

The voting is controlled by the MNs through democracy. They will use the wisdom of the crowd based on their own selfish goals of making the network worth more.

If development work or any other work not related to coding stops, the network is in danger of death by apathy. Maintaining development keeps momentum to towards mainstream adoption.

Dash has to keep up a fast pace to catch-up with Bitcoins lead. If development slows down because people need to find other work to pay bills, bitcoin will keep extending its lead.

Full time development on multiple fronts, paid for by the protocol, enables the project to keep reducing the gap Bitcoin has built-up.

Handing over voting controls to MNs also removes central control.

At 10%, I think that is on the low side for what the project aims to achieve - chasing after a $3bn giant, from $14m base.

Good points.

For this to be effective it is crucial that the community always insist in the perfectioning of this Decentralized Governance System, especially regarding funding, so that it won't ever turn into a DASH's foible.

The last 5% is coming later this year and in the beginning of next year.  If we find we need more funds, that can be changed.  However, I think we  have plenty of time to evaluate that.

[TanteStefana2]

The wrangling went on here: https://dashtalk.org/threads/self-sustainable-decentralized-governance-by-blockchain.4708/   -   but it looks like we're getting the pork barrel.
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I'm sure it'll be years before there is pork, and when there is, it can be given back, or the rewards could all be returned to the masternodes, building that part of the network up.

[Minotaur26]

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You can now make your purchases with Dash: http://bit.ly/1JTnSdP

[kadrek]

I just downloaded windows zip file of the .23 wallet from Dashpay.io, or what I thought was Dashpay.io anyway, and when I run the dash-qt.exe in the 64 bit folder I get a message that says "Windows protected your PC." "Windows SmartScreen prevented an unrecognized app from starting. Running this app may put your PC at risk." When I click "more info" it says the publisher is unknown. I'm using windows 8.1 64-bit and have always used the 64-bit version of the wallet with no issues. My unzipped wallet is 28,113 KB, is that the same as some of you guys?

[salmion]

I just downloaded windows zip file of the .23 wallet from Dashpay.io, or what I thought was Dashpay.io anyway, and when I run the dash-qt.exe in the 64 bit folder I get a message that says "Windows protected your PC." "Windows SmartScreen prevented an unrecognized app from starting. Running this app may put your PC at risk." When I click "more info" it says the publisher is unknown. I'm using windows 8.1 64-bit and have always used the 64-bit version of the wallet with no issues. My unzipped wallet is 28,113 KB, is that the same as some of you guys?

Delete and it and make sure you download from the right site..

If you've never had that issue before you shouldn't have it now? Unless something else on your system has changed? But either way rather safe than sorry.

[crowning]

I just downloaded windows zip file of the .23 wallet from Dashpay.io, or what I thought was Dashpay.io anyway, and when I run the dash-qt.exe in the 64 bit folder I get a message that says "Windows protected your PC." "Windows SmartScreen prevented an unrecognized app from starting. Running this app may put your PC at risk." When I click "more info" it says the publisher is unknown. I'm using windows 8.1 64-bit and have always used the 64-bit version of the wallet with no issues. My unzipped wallet is 28,113 KB, is that the same as some of you guys?

Download a tool which can create MD5 or SHA-256 hashes for files, like http://code.kliu.org/hashcheck/ or something similar.

Create the hash (it's saved in a new file)  and check against the ones provided here: https://www.dashpay.io/downloads/

If they are identical, you're fine.

If not, DON'T RUN/EXECUTE THAT FILE.

Delete it, someone has changed it.

[GhostPlayer]

PURCHASE ON AMAZON.COM WITH DASH: ShapeShift.io‬ has partnered with Purse.io, a service that matches customers wishing to purchase ‪bitcoin‬ with bitcoin holders wanting to purchase items with retail giant Amazon.com.

You can now make your purchases with Dash: http://bit.ly/1JTnSdP

 WWWOOOOAHH !!! 

[patrolman]

PURCHASE ON AMAZON.COM WITH DASH: ShapeShift.io‬ has partnered with Purse.io, a service that matches customers wishing to purchase ‪bitcoin‬ with bitcoin holders wanting to purchase items with retail giant Amazon.com.

You can now make your purchases with Dash: http://bit.ly/1JTnSdP

Have you got a referral code?