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Question: What payout model do you prefer?
Classic shared block payout model - 100 (42%)
Score based payout model - 62 (26.1%)
Pay per share payout model - 76 (31.9%)
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March 21, 2011, 12:11:42 PM
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The only drawback for pps is that it shifts that risk to the pool provider. Other than that it's win win for both sides. It makes it very easy to client to check that the pool provider doesn't cheat, and the pool provider doesn't have to take any measures against pool jumping. I think that if someone starts providing pps and long polling for a more fair price than 10% they would quickly become the largest pool.
1) No one poll operator need a more risks for small fee.
2) And you miss one big problem - pps payout model impossible protect from smart cheaters.

BTW,  why do you think bitcoinpool not grow? With zero fee?


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March 21, 2011, 12:27:10 PM
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2) And you miss one big problem - pps payout model impossible protect from smart cheaters.
Actually there is NO risk of cheating if you are doing PPS-only or you have PPS and sharing pools separated.

Welcome to my bitcoin mining pool: https://deepbit.net - Both payment schemes (including PPS), instant payout, no invalid blocks !
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March 21, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
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2) And you miss one big problem - pps payout model impossible protect from smart cheaters.
Actually there is NO risk of cheating if you are doing PPS-only or you have PPS and sharing pools separated.
Only without instant payout. And only for pool operator,  not for miners.

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March 21, 2011, 12:51:26 PM
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1) No one poll operator need a more risks for small fee.
Everybody wants low risk. For a well run, well connected pool with a high hash rate the risk would be minimal to the operator, though.

2) And you miss one big problem - pps payout model impossible protect from smart cheaters.
I don't think there is any way to cheat with PPS. Feel free to share if you think you know something I don't.

BTW,  why do you think bitcoinpool not grow? With zero fee?
I can only speak for myself, but they don't have PPS, their hash rate is too low to provide a steady payout, they require a special client, and they whine too much about their efficiency.
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March 21, 2011, 01:13:07 PM
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2) And you miss one big problem - pps payout model impossible protect from smart cheaters.
Actually there is NO risk of cheating if you are doing PPS-only or you have PPS and sharing pools separated.
Only without instant payout. And only for pool operator,  not for miners.
How, exactly ?

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March 21, 2011, 01:35:35 PM
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2) And you miss one big problem - pps payout model impossible protect from smart cheaters.
Actually there is NO risk of cheating if you are doing PPS-only or you have PPS and sharing pools separated.
Only without instant payout. And only for pool operator,  not for miners.
How, exactly ?

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never mind... I just need more sleep   Grin

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Shocked
never mind... I just need more sleep   Grin


Lol, too tired.......
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March 21, 2011, 05:26:25 PM
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Scheduled maintenance 3/22/2011 06:00 UTC
Estimated maintenance time 30 min.

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March 22, 2011, 09:43:54 AM
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Pool software updated.

Due most of miners want score or pps payout model, pool switched to score based payout model.
This model prevent loss for cpu miners and protect pool from timing attacks.
All already submitted shares calculated with 1.0 score and will be paid, when pool solve next block.
There is possible some small bugs due this upgrade, please send your reports.

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March 22, 2011, 09:45:07 AM
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now you can see me mining here also.
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March 22, 2011, 09:50:06 AM
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now you can see me mining here also.
welcome Smiley

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March 22, 2011, 12:38:23 PM
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BTW,  why do you think bitcoinpool not grow? With zero fee?
I can only speak for myself, but they don't have PPS, their hash rate is too low to provide a steady payout, they require a special client, and they whine too much about their efficiency.

I like to make a correction here. 
We support any client on our pool.  We just recently added support for long polling too.
We also released our own modified version of m0mchill's miner, it is not required to be a part of our pool, but we would prefer you use it.
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March 22, 2011, 02:46:27 PM
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it seems the web page has not some, but more delay in showing, top 25, number of shares.....online, offline.....

i mined more than an hour, but didn't see myself online, but after i stopped i see myself online.
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March 22, 2011, 03:18:38 PM
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it seems the web page has not some, but more delay in showing, top 25, number of shares.....online, offline.....

i mined more than an hour, but didn't see myself online, but after i stopped i see myself online.

Online status counted if valid share submitted in last hour. Top 25 updated with 10m timeout.
For low speed miner is possible what sometime you see offline status.
I will be tune timeouts later.

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March 22, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
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Its bullshit.
saying that NO ONE TOLD U THIS.
i said in the forum, in ur page that i am not seeing myself at current
state.
said, i see offline, even after an hour & online after i stopped mining.
what is this then?

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:32 PM, <robot@btcmine.com> wrote:

> During todays update I found nasty bug.
> Wrong timeout for current block updating (and problem with stale shares).
> Now this bug killed, and all should be fine.
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> p.s. to bad, what no one report about this problem Sad
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> BTCMine Robot
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March 22, 2011, 04:42:20 PM
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Its bullshit.
saying that NO ONE TOLD U THIS.
i said in the forum, in ur page that i am not seeing myself at current
state.
said, i see offline, even after an hour & online after i stopped mining.
what is this then?

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:32 PM, <robot@btcmine.com> wrote:

> During todays update I found nasty bug.
> Wrong timeout for current block updating (and problem with stale shares).
> Now this bug killed, and all should be fine.
>
> p.s. to bad, what no one report about this problem Sad
>
> BTCMine Robot
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You report about stale shares? Really?  
Your post and this bug has small relation. Probably one or two shares do not accepted for slow cpu miners.
Relax and drink cup of tea or coffee.

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Its bullshit.
saying that NO ONE TOLD U THIS.
i said in the forum, in ur page that i am not seeing myself at current
state.
said, i see offline, even after an hour & online after i stopped mining.
what is this then?

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:32 PM, <robot@btcmine.com> wrote:

> During todays update I found nasty bug.
> Wrong timeout for current block updating (and problem with stale shares).
> Now this bug killed, and all should be fine.
>
> p.s. to bad, what no one report about this problem Sad
>
> BTCMine Robot
>

You report about stale shares? Really? 
Your post and this bug has small relation. Probably one or two shares do not accepted for slow cpu miners.
Relax and drink cup of tea or coffee.


sorry got confused web page display with stale shares.
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March 23, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
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Please update your miners.

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March 23, 2011, 04:00:09 PM
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Please update your miners.
Could you respond to my last private email?


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March 23, 2011, 04:40:29 PM
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Please update your miners.
Could you respond to my last private email?
You mean email or PM?

Your miners send only getwork requests, and no solved hashs. Probably there is bug in previous poclbm. Not only your miner died.
Before yesterday update, long polling worked as usual, but in previous server version I drop very long connection (is a not secure for webserver hold so much long connection for long time).
In latest update I add standard error answer for miner about connection timeout.
All tested miners (latest poclbm and cpuminer 0.8.1) works very well with this update... Damn..
I tried all variants (disable/enable LP, drop connection for your miner), but no one helped.
Nothing to say... sorry.

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