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Author Topic: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD)  (Read 290008 times)
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August 14, 2014, 04:26:01 PM
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Period 17, Day 6 Report - August 14, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 327.94873032

Total Units: 13862

NAV/U: BTC 0.02365811

I'll be posting daily updates and answering questions over at BDD's thread on Havelock's Forum as well:

https://support.havelockinvestments.com/support/discussions/topics/1000034536
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August 14, 2014, 04:33:48 PM
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@TwentySeventy:  Are you getting your daily divs from ABitInterested?  Everything good there?

Sorry to barge in on your thread and forgive me for being somewhat indiscreet, but I'm ABitWorried about him.  All the health problems his family is having...  He's a strong, proud man; not one to drag his personal troubles into his legit internet and offline businessesesses.  But even the strong need a shoulder to lean on in these trying times, and I can't help but feel it would be cold of me not to extend an offer of help in his hour of need.

He trusts and confides in you, I just couldn't think of a better person to ask.  I hope you understand.

Sincerely yours,
  ~NotLambchop

I'm only invested in XXXProfit, not ApplianceStore. I'm waiting on XXXP divs like everyone else; I spoke with ABI on Tuesday about just that. He said that he has been out of town with family issues (as you seem aware) and is working on the Coinbase transfers.

I dislike waiting for dividends as much as the next guy, which is why I sent him a message about it.

Feel free to post in that thread next time and PM me to let me know you've addressed me there. As always, I'm trying to keep this thread on-topic.
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August 14, 2014, 05:17:02 PM
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Can you post share distribution again please? Thx
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August 14, 2014, 05:45:09 PM
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Can you post share distribution again please? Thx

Sure thing-

MINE
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YX8PwMHoN76-p8BkUJFkuXC-7esWoCJTLyt_pFwGQl4/edit?usp=sharing

SELL
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SnhjnUHj1nwyB_mzKL37VbSF1hAMubEePwXuDLUNuXs/edit?usp=sharing
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August 15, 2014, 04:06:39 PM
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Period 17, Day 7 Report - August 15, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 326.10204458

Total Units: 13856

NAV/U: BTC 0.02353507

I'll be posting daily updates and answering questions over at BDD's thread on Havelock's Forum as well:

https://support.havelockinvestments.com/support/discussions/topics/1000034536
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August 16, 2014, 03:56:07 AM
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We are thinking to invest in MINE AND SELL..Are dividends paid out daily? Or other ways? Smiley


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August 16, 2014, 11:46:02 AM
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We are thinking to invest in MINE AND SELL..Are dividends paid out daily? Or other ways? Smiley

MINE dividends are paid daily; SELL is paid after each difficulty change (if the difficulty has increased substantially enough to warrant it). You can speculate in one or the other, there's little point or profit to be made by buying equal amounts of both. I'd recommend reading the contract (in the OP) and then asking any other questions you have here.
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August 16, 2014, 04:53:53 PM
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Period 17, Day 8 Report - August 16, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 324.33623594

Total Units: 13856

NAV/U: BTC 0.02340763
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August 17, 2014, 06:29:10 PM
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Period 17, Day 9 Report - August 17, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 323.01166694

Total Units: 13874

NAV/U: BTC 0.02328179
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August 18, 2014, 04:08:23 PM
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Period 17, Day 10 Report - August 18, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 324.16064870

Total Units: 13993

NAV/U: BTC 0.02316591
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August 19, 2014, 04:11:11 PM
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Period 17, Day 11 Report - August 19, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 325.40608547

Total Units: 14116

NAV/U: BTC 0.02305228
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August 19, 2014, 10:27:05 PM
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Period 17, Day 11 Report - August 19, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 325.40608547

Total Units: 14116

NAV/U: BTC 0.02305228

There should be a dividend for SELL this time?
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August 19, 2014, 11:16:17 PM
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Period 17, Day 11 Report - August 19, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 325.40608547

Total Units: 14116

NAV/U: BTC 0.02305228

There should be a dividend for SELL this time?

Yes! Using our handy dandy daily div calculation: 5000000000 * 25 * 86400 * ( ( 65535 / 2^48 ) / Difficulty), where Difficulty is now 23,844,670,039

So, the daily div will now be 0.00010545, making the Reserve 0.00010545 * 200 = .02109.

The exact NAV/U won't be known until tomorrow at 11AM, due to new sells and possible buybacks, but we know that it will be at least today's NAV/U of 0.02305228

The NAV/U of today (0.02305228) less the new Reserve (.02109) = 0.00196228

So, the SELL dividend should be about 0.00196228 !
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August 19, 2014, 11:44:16 PM
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Period 17, Day 11 Report - August 19, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 325.40608547

Total Units: 14116

NAV/U: BTC 0.02305228

There should be a dividend for SELL this time?

Yes! Using our handy dandy daily div calculation: 5000000000 * 25 * 86400 * ( ( 65535 / 2^48 ) / Difficulty), where Difficulty is now 23,844,670,039

So, the daily div will now be 0.00010545, making the Reserve 0.00010545 * 200 = .02109.

The exact NAV/U won't be known until tomorrow at 11AM, due to new sells and possible buybacks, but we know that it will be at least today's NAV/U of 0.02305228

The NAV/U of today (0.02305228) less the new Reserve (.02109) = 0.00196228

So, the SELL dividend should be about 0.00196228 !

Excellent, my math skills are still ok Smiley
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August 20, 2014, 03:10:22 PM
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Period 17 End Report - August 20, 2014


Previous Units              12777
EXCH Sold                   1671
Less Buybacks              119
New Total Units            14329

Previous Balance          312.99457435
Price per EXCH             0.02523161
Gross Sales of EXCH      42.16202031

Less Fees                    0.16864812
Less Dividends              20.71307808
Less Buybacks              2.80162945
Less Mgmt Fee              0.81867303
Net Balance                  330.65456598

End of Period NAV/U     0.02307589

New Difficulty                  23,844,670,039
New Daily Dividend         0.00010545
New Reserve per Unit        0.02109000

NAV/U Less New Reserve = 0.02307589 - 0.02109000 = 0.00198589

SELL Dividend                 0.00198589

Days of Dividends On Hand    ~219 (Before Sell Div)

You'll notice that I calculate the new Dividend to eight digits and multiply that times 200 Days to get the new Reserve. Those of you that did your own calculations may come up with a slightly different number if you chose not to round or to round elsewhere.

New EXCH Sales Price          0.02172270
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August 20, 2014, 04:09:33 PM
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Period 18, Day 0 Report - August 20, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 300.68775512

Total Units: 14329

NAV/U: BTC 0.02098455
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August 21, 2014, 04:05:54 PM
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Period 18, Day 1 Report - August 21, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 310.29123743

Total Units: 14857

NAV/U: BTC 0.02088518
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August 21, 2014, 05:57:29 PM
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Just curious, what are everyone's strategies when you're considering whether or not to buy B.EXCH vs. either MINE or SELL (apart from clearing a set of bids above NAV/U)?
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August 22, 2014, 04:19:44 PM
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Period 18, Day 2 Report - August 22, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 311.54398430

Total Units: 14991

NAV/U: BTC 0.02078206
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August 23, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
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I just noticed that the NAV/U I calculate automatically doesn't match the reported value. Now I want to be sure: The NAV/U from the API-available data is:
B.EXCH = 0.02172270
NAV/U = 0.02172270 / 1.03 = .021090 (day zero)
DIV(MINE) = 0.00010545

-> NAV/U today = NAV/U - 3*DIV(MINE) = .021090 - .00031635 = .02077365

The difference to the reported NAV/U of 0.02078206 is caused by the new buys of B.EXCH. If there was a buyback, then NAV/U would go down further than the calculated-as-above NAV/U. Is this correct?
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