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June 14, 2018, 06:02:24 AM
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So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
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June 14, 2018, 06:33:45 AM
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Not everyone loses money in decreasing market because there are some ways to make money like margin trading probably.

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June 14, 2018, 06:34:08 AM
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In general - yes, some people make profit by shorting BTC, staking and masternodes rewards
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June 14, 2018, 07:23:48 AM
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If you try and trade in the same way in a bear market as in a bull market then you will lose money. You have to adapt your strategy to the market you are in. For bear markets that often means shorting or just selling and buying back later.

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June 14, 2018, 07:24:50 AM
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I think most of the peoples are loose the money and few of the peoples are earn profit. So not everyone loose the money because still many day traders are earn more profit in every day. But my point of view no one loose the investment because we are buying the cryptocurrency and value is down but we have same percentage of coin so again this will going to raise in soon that day we will earn more profit.

   
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June 14, 2018, 07:30:14 PM
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That is not true, there are few altcoins rising in green even when the market crashes. With that altcoins it would be enough easy to get profit in a way to convert that altcoin into BTC, ETH or top coins as per coinmarketcap then wait for the market to get stable then again you gain handsome profit on your holding in BTC or ETH. With altcoins that are proportionally getting declined in value when market crashes then it is very tough to get profit & yes at that moment you may lose your money.

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June 14, 2018, 09:23:42 PM
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Of course not. Not everyone is losing money. Thousands of traders make huge money on this. First of all, these are whales. They buy up, for example 1000 bitcoins, at around $6,000 and sell it at around $6,150. These $150 on 1000 bitcoins will make a big profit. Essentially experienced and educated traders do the same. Therefore, they do not lose money, but on the contrary earn.
If we move away from trade, then there are other ways to make money now. Participation in good ICO, gives a huge profit (of course you need to participate with a large sum). One good project gives from 5 to 15x.
For today, I was not interested in trading, but I fully devoted myself to ICO, and this was my best decision (not counting the decision to deal with crypto currencies).
There are other ways of earning money in any market. The main thing is not to be lazy and always look for what you can earn.
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June 14, 2018, 09:26:41 PM
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A lot of people take out options for the price to go down are take out massive short positions.  These volatile markets are a playground for day traders.

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June 14, 2018, 09:33:43 PM
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So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.

If the purpose is to hold for long then the important thing is accumulation. So yes if the price went down more, a.)hodl or b) continue to add more if you can still afford to risks some.

Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.

Patience. You don't need to target profits everyday or every week even for a short term trader. It will just stressed you if you will force to make profits out of the bearish trend if you can't able to properly handled it.

Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

Don't want to take too long replies to you since I doubt you will really read it.

Based on your statement, if that's really came up on your mind, I see that you are thinking too much. Try to be comfortable and relax yourself and soon you will understand what's the situation every now and then. You will learned what things should be done on the way so patience.

Trust your judgement, trust your strategy, trust your analyzation, trust your chosen hold coins, trust your own decision.

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June 14, 2018, 09:36:26 PM
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No looses from this day bro. Already bitcoin rally towards to stable value by today. We will find the bitcoin price go to big bump in the market in upcoming month for sure. While you need to invest on the coin means this is the right time for you.
I do not have big fund on fiat cash some holding around 1.84 BTC in my blockchain wallet for some months thats what I expecting reach the peak value mate.

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August 06, 2018, 10:46:28 AM
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my advice when your coin that bought reaches a decrease of up to 10% I hope you just stop losing.
because if you go deeper down it can spend your money there.

sometimes it's a difficult choice but for good, anything must be done.
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August 06, 2018, 11:56:40 AM
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not everyone loses money! there are many different strategies used by people and make of them can easily mean not losing anything at all. for example the simplest one is to invest long term in bitcoin. imagine you have bought bitcoin last year when things were calm and the rise had not yet started. then you could have buy bitcoin between $900 to $2000 and no matter what the current price is, you would be in a big profit. you might have even sold a little on top ($20k) and make a huge profit while still holding a lot of bitcoin.

or another strategy that is favorite by many is to go around in the altcoin market and only find the coins that are on the rise ie. getting pumped. you can buy these coins during the rise and make a big profit short term. these coins don't care what is generally going on in the market, they get pumped nonetheless.

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August 06, 2018, 12:04:01 PM
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Not at all. Because there have some technique to save money from loss when the market is down. If the trader can take proper step, he doesn't suffer from loss.

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August 06, 2018, 01:03:14 PM
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Those who cashed out at the mountains peek don't loose anything, but mostly yeah, everybody is loosing here.
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August 06, 2018, 01:13:13 PM
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No for sure, if you hold a stable coin then you can't lose money in a down market, there are much more way regarding not losing in a down market.

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August 06, 2018, 01:14:05 PM
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That's common sense, the market loses everyone's money, so many people keep and many fear the market down so they decide to sell at a relatively low price. long time.
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August 06, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
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when the market goes down someone loses money is a natural thing, because now the market conditions are unpredictable. but we can continue to believe and be optimistic if the loss is only temporary if it is still holding. in the future the market will return to the highest position.

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August 06, 2018, 01:43:53 PM
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Ofcourse we are just people and we are also afraid of losing big money so we are also panic to sell at a low cost so the money will not be bigger when markets fall Cheesy

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August 06, 2018, 01:58:39 PM
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On the contrary many people earn a huge amount of money when market down because market is manipulated by whales they bought a large amount of good coins in a bloody market and once the market back to tracks they got a huge profit its an easy money if you have enough funds for trading like $10k is a very good amount to join in the game.

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August 06, 2018, 02:21:12 PM
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Yes, that's for sure, everyone drops a bit of capital as the price of coins goes down, but rest assured the market will rise again.
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