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October 30, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
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Only sellers in a down market or panic sellers are main cause of their loss money. While the market go down, many people can make profit. When price begin to increase who lose money feel bored for selling so sooner.
To me I am not agree with the statement, to me it think that only those people loses money, who sell their coins in low price, but those people who will continue holding their currencies I am sure that a time will come the price will recover and it will surely recover their lost.
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October 30, 2018, 12:52:44 PM
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No. The most people lose money when market is down, but some make money by margin, trading, by staking coins that offer that and masternodes rewards, and also miners can make money when market is down if the price is enough to have a profit after pay electricity. Also some people will not lose money because if they bought lower a coin than is when price goes down they can sell in profit.
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October 31, 2018, 07:31:34 AM
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yeah ... I made a mistake, I panicked when the price of bitcoin decreased, I sold the bitcoin that I had when the price was low and now I can only regret it and I have lost my money more than half that I invested.. Cry
There are some golden rules of doing trade and investment. We all, it doesn’t matter which level we are standing at, must adhere to this rule. Sometimes panic is natural, but we must keep our minds sharp and stable. In other case, you could be losing the control and being panicked you would be making big losses to your investment. Hence, be determined in negative times.
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October 31, 2018, 07:35:38 AM
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So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

Yes ofcourse we loses money when market is down.We can't even get our salary that we expect for the needs of our family.It's really difficult to expect now but there's another day in every night to come which gives us hope for the future.
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October 31, 2018, 09:23:17 AM
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Yes, that's for sure, because when the market is down I find everyone is scared and there's me, me too, and I'm afraid of losing so much capital, so I'm still patiently holding on. Hold and wait for the recovery of the market.
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November 01, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
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For investors that they hold altcoins for a long-term for sure they lost a big money for them as the market prices going down they gonna sell it at low price.

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November 01, 2018, 03:58:47 AM
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Well I guess not everyone lose money whenever the market is down because there are some ways to prevent a 'profit loss'. This might be a big deal when we talks about trading because others transacts everyday, weekly or lets just say they earn they profit in a short period of time. They are the one who will be affected in the drop. But if you do holding, you can avoid loss because time is the key in your profit. Ofcourse you will not sell if you think that you will lose. It varies if you really in-need.

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November 01, 2018, 04:14:40 AM
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it is depends on the vision you have if you want to invest this is the best time to invest while if you want to do trading and then the market moves in downward direction then you will be able to lose money for an instant so be wise on the market movement because you really need to adapt the market condition for you to be able to earn whatever the market condition is.
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November 01, 2018, 05:56:09 AM
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Not everybody loses money when the market is down because there is a good opportunity to buy good coins when their value drops down then wait until their prices goes up.

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November 01, 2018, 07:17:21 AM
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not all but most experience loss of money when the market goes down, this is a possible thing, but if the cycle of market movements to a high position may be many people will receive back their lost money and turn into a profit.

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November 01, 2018, 08:49:33 AM
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Not everyone lost money during the dip , the most experience one make huge some of money cause they sold their coins at the top and buy back now that is very low to have some huge amount of the token and more value in dollars , we that loss are the new comer and the holder who believe so much in holding no matter what but I believe there is always a time to buy and sell .

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November 02, 2018, 11:33:07 AM
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actually not everyone, but more precisely is that most people lose money when prices decline, because all the assets of their coins also decrease.
but the decline in the price of coins can be a good thing for investors, because there is a time for them to buy coins at cheap prices, and hold them until the price is high.

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November 02, 2018, 12:37:28 PM
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actually not everyone, but more precisely is that most people lose money when prices decline, because all the assets of their coins also decrease.
but the decline in the price of coins can be a good thing for investors, because there is a time for them to buy coins at cheap prices, and hold them until the price is high.
- Of course not everyone, the one who can get rid of this situation is probably the whale group, they know that the down market will come and they quickly withdrew from this market, and only us, traders and investors became victims. We all lose money but at least as you say, this is also an opportunity to buy altcoin at low cost and achieve high returns with recovery, and the professional traders do it very well, they have completely recovered and lived comfortably with this storm while others, traders and inexperienced investors, they are making mistakes and sinking in this market.


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November 02, 2018, 02:53:41 PM
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We will only lose the value if we go sell all of then,so this means those who holds their coin remains not losing right?
So who are those EVERYONE you says  loses when the market is down
Like me,i never sell cryptocurrency whenever the market deeping so i am not part of those losing
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November 02, 2018, 04:16:03 PM
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For investors that they hold altcoins for a long-term for sure they lost a big money for them as the market prices going down they gonna sell it at low price.
Well thats why every people should learn how to cut loss and buyback at a lower price. Even if you invest for a long-term (years) , you still have to keep an eye on your investment.
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November 02, 2018, 08:40:00 PM
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Such a thought about the loss on the course: if someone loses, then someone earned - right? It is very necessary to understand well that this is not a lottery with a win of 50% -50%. There are much less chances here. but this is at the beginning - when you will be good at it you can quickly pay for everything.

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November 02, 2018, 11:49:18 PM
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it is depends on the vision you have if you want to invest this is the best time to invest while if you want to do trading and then the market moves in downward direction then you will be able to lose money for an instant so be wise on the market movement because you really need to adapt the market condition for you to be able to earn whatever the market condition is.
yes, it all depends of course on the actions we take in the face of the current market situation, if we want to profit quickly select the potential types of coins that always experience price changes, by doing short-term trading to get a little profit but need a lot of time in order to minimize the risk of loss
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November 03, 2018, 12:06:10 AM
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Not everybody, some traders still manage to generate good incomes, everything is about information and strategy, try to overcome your difficulties.

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November 03, 2018, 01:02:14 AM
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Not everybody, some traders still manage to generate good incomes, everything is about information and strategy, try to overcome your difficulties.
yes you are right, only people who have good strategies can benefit when the market goes down. most people are careless in overcoming difficulties so that panic and loss hit them.

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November 08, 2018, 10:55:55 AM
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So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
There are lots of traders that are still making money at this time and there are also people who are not, because they don’t understand what to do at this time. It’s quite difficult to make money at this time, so some traders make use of marginal trading. If you can’t trade now you can leave it and just Hodl your money and wait for when there will be a ‘bubble’, you can then get back and trade. So the answer is yes, people do make money this time but it’s difficult.
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