[pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★

[sevoque]

THe funny thing is, before launch, they was talking very good about themself and how good it was organizate,
But in real they dont knew shit from eachother, and blame eachother from manipulation.

Totally agree its all plannned, you know i lost 4 btc in this, i could cash out 8 btc in profit but didnt.

Just not realize it happend already after 6 days. Its just a damn shame, because IPO Investors couldnt do shit also. Early investor got fck hard in their ass also.

Now i dont understand why 1 person hold 1,6 billion coins.?

But funny thing is  that.. if  he wants he can buy it all back ... he have all the time, he is already fcking multimillionaire, who cares, he can do it after 6 - 7 months if he wants..

ITs al about time..

+1 yes ur so correct, the plan all along was to launch a coin, all rape it knowing t would destroy the coin and the community surround it, put everyone off the coin, make everyone hate us, and then look for solutions to fix it. Constructive use of our time.

Quit making any of yourselves look like victims.

The only ones who lost out are the ones who were blind enough to buy this coin on exchanges while it was still at an artificially ridiculous price.  Everyone from you to Wolong profited, even if they sold at 1 satoshi each.  You got your shares for no out of pocket expense. 

And no, spending a few hours copy pasting code and making a shitty coin graphic in ms paint doesn't count.  You've spent more time typing up replies in this thread than you actually putting in 'dev'ing' this clone.

I'm going to ask a serious question here: What coding do you need to make a cryptocurrency? I mean, you're literally making currency out of thin air then miners send their GPU to mine it. Every OP is more or less the same and sometimes I feel like there's nothing to distinguish between two coins except for the fact that one is called different from the other and has a larger/smaller following.

excuses

You have many excuses but tell me this.  Why dump your coins?  are you that hard up and in need of money so badly? did you not have faith in your own project to sell out pretty much straight away?  Would like to hear your reasoning to dump rather than hold on to them.

Nothing ive said is an excuse, what am i making excuses for? The coin in its current state is raped and i accept that and we are trying to resolve.

i never dumped all my coins, i dont know where this came from, the only time my wallet was entirely depleted was in amongst all of this shit going off with wolong, but i transfered everything back to my wallet after. So basically i am not allowed to take some money for my efforts? Ok

You've made TONS of excuses. As a result of the developer's incompetence, Wolong ran off with hundreds of BTC, which is equal to tens of thousands of US dollars. Even if you relaunch, it's not going to be successful. Only reason why I want it to be successful is for personal gain.

so let me get this right, your buying in to wolongs bs about it being on the devs? geezus dude take a step back and realise what has happened . Wolong ran off with 100s of BTC because that was clearly his plan all along.

I'm not buying into any BS. The WHOLE pandacoin community failed. I got greedy, I recognize that and it's my mistake. But you guys could've stopped him but instead, you just argued with each other and on the forums here. You went back on your word and edited posts so you can say one thing in the past and do something else in the present.

If you want to continue developing cryptocurrency, make a new coin but kill this off. And do it right at the very beginning. Not some Pandacoin 2.0 V2. I've seen the progress that you and your team have made and I like it so far. But if you want to continue with Pandacoin, then that's a step in the wrong direction.

im sorry what? what have i edited? Dude what are you talking, i havent edited ANYTHING. You have been listening to a bunch of trolls who have wanted to see this coin fail from day 1, really, form your own opinion, please.

And yes u are buying in to his BS because you said in your previous post it was ,i quote 'the developers incompetence' .. where is our incompetence, please explain. The second the coin launched, wolong ceased communication, he was at the TOP of the projcet, and what was asked from a tech standpoint was done, and from a PR and marketing standpoint i took care of that side independent of wolong as he never responded to me ONCE about anything. So, basically we are now being blamed for being incompetent due to wolong ceasing contact with us, leaving us high and dry and then being forced to make difficult decisions on how to continue as a result of wolong pulling out on his involvement with the dev team. Whatever bro, give it a rest.

Changing the OP isn't changing a post? Hmm....

you mean removing that bullshit that wolong wanted up there about 'gaining your trust with uno' etc etc?

you mean this -> http://www.reddit.com/r/thepandacoin/comments/1xnedt/panda_coin_info/

Yes, that whole section starting 'important please read' as well as the big red text that was above that in the OP starting with 'PLEASE UNDERSTAND FOR CLARITY' which i was asked my several users to remove, yes, i removed both. I haven't edited anything on those posts other than removing that text by request of the community. Whats your point?

Thanks for proving my point.

are you insane? the community asked me to remove it as a result of taking steps to remedy this situation, thus i removed it. your having a go at me for removing it for what reason exactly? do you even know what your doing here? lol, I pointed you to the link where you can find the original text without any part removed.

And it's because of posts like this why I've stopped defending you and your team.

Thats fine, but for whatever reason you feel an urge to post absolute garbage non-stop trying to piece together something you feel has been hatched behind the scenes. You have a tinfoil hat on and you cant even respond to the reason why you are even asking me in the first place if i edited something. I answered you and you think that has somehow confirmed something massively mysterious or a 'plot flaw' enlighten me.

yes, i removed text that i was asked to. now what? Please explain what this accomplished? or are you jsut looking to drag this on for no reason? I dont get it

TLDR: I am personally exhausted from this, there is no mystery here to be solved. Wolong fucked everyone, devs included, and used pandawest and myself as scapegoats to justify his actions. i wish i could give you more info, but i have none

[sevoque]

Ok so the coin is dead to you, move along?

Wasn't it you who fucked this up for everyone by selling off the 1st?  Why would anyone listen to a word you say?  Your greed and lack of faith in your own coin shows.

lol u wana do this dance again? let me make this very clear for you, I WAS NEVER TOLD NOT TO SELL MY COINS.. wolong himself didnt even know how many coins i even got for helping wth the project. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 4 PEOPLE (INCLUDING WOLONG) WHO WERE OBLGIATED NOT TO MOVE COINS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS)


So yes thats correct.. my few million coins, which no one told me i couldn't sell and didnt say anything more than 'here you go thx for help' that were sold were responsible for crashing the market.. how did u arrive so quickly at this ?

so.. lets address the other issue that prior to wolong showing that pastebin bllaming me for this whole collapse, you do remember the pastebin that showed him blaming pandawest for this whole collapse and saying that JUST A LITTLE UNDER 2HOURS PRIOR TO THE ONE ABOUT ME.. SAYING .. verbatim.. YOU ARE THE REASON I SOLD MY PANDA..

so, lets just address one last thing.. those 2 statements above dont even matter as the reality is, wolong dumped and tried to scapegoat us both in order to justify his actions of dumping on the market. Do you really think that the logical response to someone selling a few millions coins is to unload hundreds of millions? If u do, thats fine, at least I know where your logic stands. The second.. and i mean the SECOND the coin launched, wolong cut ties with the dev team and stopped communicating.. no one has shown us any proof here of wolong telling myself, evoked, mxtm, chise, and other sub-team members not to sell.. because guess what, the second he got his coins from the premine he stopped giving a shit about talking to us and dumped the market because he could, and because he could make some money and THAT, friend, is the reason why all this happened.

i hope this clears up any confusion

EDIT: I was also like to point out, for clarification that not only did wolong rape PANDA, but he decided that he was going to exit UNO too at that exact time and you can see, if u look at the prices during that same period that he exited uno.. so. your telling me this was all motivated bceause me or pandawest dumped a few coins? Wolong is a coin rapist.

A few coins here, a few coins there, and pretty soon we're talking a billion.

Aren't you continuing to victimize people by leaving the announcement post nearly unchanged from the original, knowing full well that most people don't read very far into a thread? As it's only trading at 5, why don't you wipe that post entirely, issue a full apology, and mitigate the collateral damage so newbs aren't victimized when those outstanding billions of coin get barfed onto an exchange?

If you think this is a great coin, reboot it completely with zero premine and no chance of insta. And ffs, do like Star Wars and slap some Roman Numerals on the pandas so everyone can tell which ones are cynical moneygrabs.

no were not talking a billion, were talking a max of 35 million which was mine and pandawest's combined holdings at the time of receiving our payment for project help. and we arent even talking about our total holdings, we are talking a max of a combined 10m that we sold. Let me ask, if we wanted to cash out so bad why didnt we sell everything when we had the chance to at high satoshi? Everyone is trying to find a way to blame us because we have been more community facing. Wolong has made maybe 5 posts here, each one as bad as the last, he is nowhere to be seen, i dont know what its going to take for you guys to get it.

I agree and will be changing the OP to reflect this in the morning, its 4am.

Ok, so you got to split a paltry 35 million coins. What did you do to deserve them?

I dont think its a question of deserve so much as being paid for the contribution to the dev team. You know in real life when you employ people to do a job, you remunerate them for their efforts for that task they are being asked to complete. Pandawest helped with windows related dev work, i took care of all community facing duties, and continue to do so.

Edit - my apologies if this sounds facetious  but please, seriously, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

[flipstyle]

Ok so the coin is dead to you, move along?

Wasn't it you who fucked this up for everyone by selling off the 1st?  Why would anyone listen to a word you say?  Your greed and lack of faith in your own coin shows.

lol u wana do this dance again? let me make this very clear for you, I WAS NEVER TOLD NOT TO SELL MY COINS.. wolong himself didnt even know how many coins i even got for helping wth the project. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 4 PEOPLE (INCLUDING WOLONG) WHO WERE OBLGIATED NOT TO MOVE COINS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS)


So yes thats correct.. my few million coins, which no one told me i couldn't sell and didnt say anything more than 'here you go thx for help' that were sold were responsible for crashing the market.. how did u arrive so quickly at this ?

so.. lets address the other issue that prior to wolong showing that pastebin bllaming me for this whole collapse, you do remember the pastebin that showed him blaming pandawest for this whole collapse and saying that JUST A LITTLE UNDER 2HOURS PRIOR TO THE ONE ABOUT ME.. SAYING .. verbatim.. YOU ARE THE REASON I SOLD MY PANDA..

so, lets just address one last thing.. those 2 statements above dont even matter as the reality is, wolong dumped and tried to scapegoat us both in order to justify his actions of dumping on the market. Do you really think that the logical response to someone selling a few millions coins is to unload hundreds of millions? If u do, thats fine, at least I know where your logic stands. The second.. and i mean the SECOND the coin launched, wolong cut ties with the dev team and stopped communicating.. no one has shown us any proof here of wolong telling myself, evoked, mxtm, chise, and other sub-team members not to sell.. because guess what, the second he got his coins from the premine he stopped giving a shit about talking to us and dumped the market because he could, and because he could make some money and THAT, friend, is the reason why all this happened.

i hope this clears up any confusion

EDIT: I was also like to point out, for clarification that not only did wolong rape PANDA, but he decided that he was going to exit UNO too at that exact time and you can see, if u look at the prices during that same period that he exited uno.. so. your telling me this was all motivated bceause me or pandawest dumped a few coins? Wolong is a coin rapist.

A few coins here, a few coins there, and pretty soon we're talking a billion.

Aren't you continuing to victimize people by leaving the announcement post nearly unchanged from the original, knowing full well that most people don't read very far into a thread? As it's only trading at 5, why don't you wipe that post entirely, issue a full apology, and mitigate the collateral damage so newbs aren't victimized when those outstanding billions of coin get barfed onto an exchange?

If you think this is a great coin, reboot it completely with zero premine and no chance of insta. And ffs, do like Star Wars and slap some Roman Numerals on the pandas so everyone can tell which ones are cynical moneygrabs.

no were not talking a billion, were talking a max of 35 million which was mine and pandawest's combined holdings at the time of receiving our payment for project help. and we arent even talking about our total holdings, we are talking a max of a combined 10m that we sold. Let me ask, if we wanted to cash out so bad why didnt we sell everything when we had the chance to at high satoshi? Everyone is trying to find a way to blame us because we have been more community facing. Wolong has made maybe 5 posts here, each one as bad as the last, he is nowhere to be seen, i dont know what its going to take for you guys to get it.

I agree and will be changing the OP to reflect this in the morning, its 4am.

Ok, so you got to split a paltry 35 million coins. What did you do to deserve them?

I dont think its a question of deserve so much as being paid for the contribution to the dev team. You know in real life when you employ people to do a job, you remunerate them for their efforts for that task they are being asked to complete. Pandawest helped with windows related dev work, i took care of all community facing duties, and continue to do so.

Edit - my apologies if this sounds facetious  but please, seriously, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

Oh ok.  So essentially you just typed the OP and were employed to be wolong's hypeman and defender on the forums.

Job well done.  How many btc's did you get from your sell-off, if you don't mind me asking?  Just want to know how well forum posting pays in this day and age.

[sevoque]

Ok so the coin is dead to you, move along?

Wasn't it you who fucked this up for everyone by selling off the 1st?  Why would anyone listen to a word you say?  Your greed and lack of faith in your own coin shows.

lol u wana do this dance again? let me make this very clear for you, I WAS NEVER TOLD NOT TO SELL MY COINS.. wolong himself didnt even know how many coins i even got for helping wth the project. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 4 PEOPLE (INCLUDING WOLONG) WHO WERE OBLGIATED NOT TO MOVE COINS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS)


So yes thats correct.. my few million coins, which no one told me i couldn't sell and didnt say anything more than 'here you go thx for help' that were sold were responsible for crashing the market.. how did u arrive so quickly at this ?

so.. lets address the other issue that prior to wolong showing that pastebin bllaming me for this whole collapse, you do remember the pastebin that showed him blaming pandawest for this whole collapse and saying that JUST A LITTLE UNDER 2HOURS PRIOR TO THE ONE ABOUT ME.. SAYING .. verbatim.. YOU ARE THE REASON I SOLD MY PANDA..

so, lets just address one last thing.. those 2 statements above dont even matter as the reality is, wolong dumped and tried to scapegoat us both in order to justify his actions of dumping on the market. Do you really think that the logical response to someone selling a few millions coins is to unload hundreds of millions? If u do, thats fine, at least I know where your logic stands. The second.. and i mean the SECOND the coin launched, wolong cut ties with the dev team and stopped communicating.. no one has shown us any proof here of wolong telling myself, evoked, mxtm, chise, and other sub-team members not to sell.. because guess what, the second he got his coins from the premine he stopped giving a shit about talking to us and dumped the market because he could, and because he could make some money and THAT, friend, is the reason why all this happened.

i hope this clears up any confusion

EDIT: I was also like to point out, for clarification that not only did wolong rape PANDA, but he decided that he was going to exit UNO too at that exact time and you can see, if u look at the prices during that same period that he exited uno.. so. your telling me this was all motivated bceause me or pandawest dumped a few coins? Wolong is a coin rapist.

A few coins here, a few coins there, and pretty soon we're talking a billion.

Aren't you continuing to victimize people by leaving the announcement post nearly unchanged from the original, knowing full well that most people don't read very far into a thread? As it's only trading at 5, why don't you wipe that post entirely, issue a full apology, and mitigate the collateral damage so newbs aren't victimized when those outstanding billions of coin get barfed onto an exchange?

If you think this is a great coin, reboot it completely with zero premine and no chance of insta. And ffs, do like Star Wars and slap some Roman Numerals on the pandas so everyone can tell which ones are cynical moneygrabs.

no were not talking a billion, were talking a max of 35 million which was mine and pandawest's combined holdings at the time of receiving our payment for project help. and we arent even talking about our total holdings, we are talking a max of a combined 10m that we sold. Let me ask, if we wanted to cash out so bad why didnt we sell everything when we had the chance to at high satoshi? Everyone is trying to find a way to blame us because we have been more community facing. Wolong has made maybe 5 posts here, each one as bad as the last, he is nowhere to be seen, i dont know what its going to take for you guys to get it.

I agree and will be changing the OP to reflect this in the morning, its 4am.

Ok, so you got to split a paltry 35 million coins. What did you do to deserve them?

I dont think its a question of deserve so much as being paid for the contribution to the dev team. You know in real life when you employ people to do a job, you remunerate them for their efforts for that task they are being asked to complete. Pandawest helped with windows related dev work, i took care of all community facing duties, and continue to do so.

Edit - my apologies if this sounds facetious  but please, seriously, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

Oh ok.  So essentially you just typed the OP and were employed to be wolong's hypeman and defender on the forums.

Job well done.  How many btc's did you get from your sell-off, if you don't mind me asking?  Just want to know how well forum posting pays in this day and age.

I still hold 15m panda. and at the time I sold a few million i believe it was at ~65.

I was NOT employed to be wolongs hypeman, though stupidly i did defend him on numerous occasions. I was asked to help by Jacob, who i knew way before any of this panda business came about through meeting him through UNO many months back.

I was employed to be the teams public facing member to help answer any questions people had, to discuss anything relating to the coin and to generally take care of the community.

[flipstyle]

Ok so the coin is dead to you, move along?

Wasn't it you who fucked this up for everyone by selling off the 1st?  Why would anyone listen to a word you say?  Your greed and lack of faith in your own coin shows.

lol u wana do this dance again? let me make this very clear for you, I WAS NEVER TOLD NOT TO SELL MY COINS.. wolong himself didnt even know how many coins i even got for helping wth the project. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 4 PEOPLE (INCLUDING WOLONG) WHO WERE OBLGIATED NOT TO MOVE COINS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS)


So yes thats correct.. my few million coins, which no one told me i couldn't sell and didnt say anything more than 'here you go thx for help' that were sold were responsible for crashing the market.. how did u arrive so quickly at this ?

so.. lets address the other issue that prior to wolong showing that pastebin bllaming me for this whole collapse, you do remember the pastebin that showed him blaming pandawest for this whole collapse and saying that JUST A LITTLE UNDER 2HOURS PRIOR TO THE ONE ABOUT ME.. SAYING .. verbatim.. YOU ARE THE REASON I SOLD MY PANDA..

so, lets just address one last thing.. those 2 statements above dont even matter as the reality is, wolong dumped and tried to scapegoat us both in order to justify his actions of dumping on the market. Do you really think that the logical response to someone selling a few millions coins is to unload hundreds of millions? If u do, thats fine, at least I know where your logic stands. The second.. and i mean the SECOND the coin launched, wolong cut ties with the dev team and stopped communicating.. no one has shown us any proof here of wolong telling myself, evoked, mxtm, chise, and other sub-team members not to sell.. because guess what, the second he got his coins from the premine he stopped giving a shit about talking to us and dumped the market because he could, and because he could make some money and THAT, friend, is the reason why all this happened.

i hope this clears up any confusion

EDIT: I was also like to point out, for clarification that not only did wolong rape PANDA, but he decided that he was going to exit UNO too at that exact time and you can see, if u look at the prices during that same period that he exited uno.. so. your telling me this was all motivated bceause me or pandawest dumped a few coins? Wolong is a coin rapist.

A few coins here, a few coins there, and pretty soon we're talking a billion.

Aren't you continuing to victimize people by leaving the announcement post nearly unchanged from the original, knowing full well that most people don't read very far into a thread? As it's only trading at 5, why don't you wipe that post entirely, issue a full apology, and mitigate the collateral damage so newbs aren't victimized when those outstanding billions of coin get barfed onto an exchange?

If you think this is a great coin, reboot it completely with zero premine and no chance of insta. And ffs, do like Star Wars and slap some Roman Numerals on the pandas so everyone can tell which ones are cynical moneygrabs.

no were not talking a billion, were talking a max of 35 million which was mine and pandawest's combined holdings at the time of receiving our payment for project help. and we arent even talking about our total holdings, we are talking a max of a combined 10m that we sold. Let me ask, if we wanted to cash out so bad why didnt we sell everything when we had the chance to at high satoshi? Everyone is trying to find a way to blame us because we have been more community facing. Wolong has made maybe 5 posts here, each one as bad as the last, he is nowhere to be seen, i dont know what its going to take for you guys to get it.

I agree and will be changing the OP to reflect this in the morning, its 4am.

Ok, so you got to split a paltry 35 million coins. What did you do to deserve them?

I dont think its a question of deserve so much as being paid for the contribution to the dev team. You know in real life when you employ people to do a job, you remunerate them for their efforts for that task they are being asked to complete. Pandawest helped with windows related dev work, i took care of all community facing duties, and continue to do so.

Edit - my apologies if this sounds facetious  but please, seriously, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

Oh ok.  So essentially you just typed the OP and were employed to be wolong's hypeman and defender on the forums.

Job well done.  How many btc's did you get from your sell-off, if you don't mind me asking?  Just want to know how well forum posting pays in this day and age.

I still hold 15m panda. and at the time I sold a few million i believe it was at ~65.

I was NOT employed to be wolongs hypeman, though stupidly i did defend him on numerous occasions. I was asked to help by Jacob, who i knew way before any of this panda business came about through meeting him through UNO many months back.

I was employed to be the teams public facing member to help answer any questions people had, to discuss anything relating to the coin and to generally take care of the community.

Yes, which is just a fancy reiteration of what I stated.  You were just asked to be the hypeman on a forum.  How many btc's did you profit from typing on the forums? 65 satoshis per had to have been quite lucrative considering it all came from one or two sentence replies during your spare time.

[sevoque]

Ok so the coin is dead to you, move along?

Wasn't it you who fucked this up for everyone by selling off the 1st?  Why would anyone listen to a word you say?  Your greed and lack of faith in your own coin shows.

lol u wana do this dance again? let me make this very clear for you, I WAS NEVER TOLD NOT TO SELL MY COINS.. wolong himself didnt even know how many coins i even got for helping wth the project. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 4 PEOPLE (INCLUDING WOLONG) WHO WERE OBLGIATED NOT TO MOVE COINS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS)


So yes thats correct.. my few million coins, which no one told me i couldn't sell and didnt say anything more than 'here you go thx for help' that were sold were responsible for crashing the market.. how did u arrive so quickly at this ?

so.. lets address the other issue that prior to wolong showing that pastebin bllaming me for this whole collapse, you do remember the pastebin that showed him blaming pandawest for this whole collapse and saying that JUST A LITTLE UNDER 2HOURS PRIOR TO THE ONE ABOUT ME.. SAYING .. verbatim.. YOU ARE THE REASON I SOLD MY PANDA..

so, lets just address one last thing.. those 2 statements above dont even matter as the reality is, wolong dumped and tried to scapegoat us both in order to justify his actions of dumping on the market. Do you really think that the logical response to someone selling a few millions coins is to unload hundreds of millions? If u do, thats fine, at least I know where your logic stands. The second.. and i mean the SECOND the coin launched, wolong cut ties with the dev team and stopped communicating.. no one has shown us any proof here of wolong telling myself, evoked, mxtm, chise, and other sub-team members not to sell.. because guess what, the second he got his coins from the premine he stopped giving a shit about talking to us and dumped the market because he could, and because he could make some money and THAT, friend, is the reason why all this happened.

i hope this clears up any confusion

EDIT: I was also like to point out, for clarification that not only did wolong rape PANDA, but he decided that he was going to exit UNO too at that exact time and you can see, if u look at the prices during that same period that he exited uno.. so. your telling me this was all motivated bceause me or pandawest dumped a few coins? Wolong is a coin rapist.

A few coins here, a few coins there, and pretty soon we're talking a billion.

Aren't you continuing to victimize people by leaving the announcement post nearly unchanged from the original, knowing full well that most people don't read very far into a thread? As it's only trading at 5, why don't you wipe that post entirely, issue a full apology, and mitigate the collateral damage so newbs aren't victimized when those outstanding billions of coin get barfed onto an exchange?

If you think this is a great coin, reboot it completely with zero premine and no chance of insta. And ffs, do like Star Wars and slap some Roman Numerals on the pandas so everyone can tell which ones are cynical moneygrabs.

no were not talking a billion, were talking a max of 35 million which was mine and pandawest's combined holdings at the time of receiving our payment for project help. and we arent even talking about our total holdings, we are talking a max of a combined 10m that we sold. Let me ask, if we wanted to cash out so bad why didnt we sell everything when we had the chance to at high satoshi? Everyone is trying to find a way to blame us because we have been more community facing. Wolong has made maybe 5 posts here, each one as bad as the last, he is nowhere to be seen, i dont know what its going to take for you guys to get it.

I agree and will be changing the OP to reflect this in the morning, its 4am.

Ok, so you got to split a paltry 35 million coins. What did you do to deserve them?

I dont think its a question of deserve so much as being paid for the contribution to the dev team. You know in real life when you employ people to do a job, you remunerate them for their efforts for that task they are being asked to complete. Pandawest helped with windows related dev work, i took care of all community facing duties, and continue to do so.

Edit - my apologies if this sounds facetious  but please, seriously, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

Oh ok.  So essentially you just typed the OP and were employed to be wolong's hypeman and defender on the forums.

Job well done.  How many btc's did you get from your sell-off, if you don't mind me asking?  Just want to know how well forum posting pays in this day and age.

I still hold 15m panda. and at the time I sold a few million i believe it was at ~65.

I was NOT employed to be wolongs hypeman, though stupidly i did defend him on numerous occasions. I was asked to help by Jacob, who i knew way before any of this panda business came about through meeting him through UNO many months back.

I was employed to be the teams public facing member to help answer any questions people had, to discuss anything relating to the coin and to generally take care of the community.

Yes, which is just a fancy reiteration of what I stated.  You were just asked to be the hypeman on a forum.  How many btc's did you profit from typing on the forums? 65 satoshis per had to have been quite lucrative considering it all came from one or two sentence replies during your spare time.

Ah okay, feel free to take a look at my number of posts on my profile, 75% of them have come from this thread. And i have devoted an awful lot of time to this, dont be mistaken. But again, you are going to go with an answer that makes your opinion more valid as that is clearly what suits you in trying to find someone to pin this on and justify your anger toward the team. It's not your time being spent, so who cares, right?

Call it what you want, hypeman, marketing, PR , whatever, whatever name you choose we will go with, i am not really bothered how you want to frame this. You are taking your frustration out on the wrong person here, and although i share your frustrations, i am finding it difficult to discuss these things with you  in an amicable way. I think i cashed out around 3 btc if that helps.

[flipstyle]

Ok so the coin is dead to you, move along?

Wasn't it you who fucked this up for everyone by selling off the 1st?  Why would anyone listen to a word you say?  Your greed and lack of faith in your own coin shows.

lol u wana do this dance again? let me make this very clear for you, I WAS NEVER TOLD NOT TO SELL MY COINS.. wolong himself didnt even know how many coins i even got for helping wth the project. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 4 PEOPLE (INCLUDING WOLONG) WHO WERE OBLGIATED NOT TO MOVE COINS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS)


So yes thats correct.. my few million coins, which no one told me i couldn't sell and didnt say anything more than 'here you go thx for help' that were sold were responsible for crashing the market.. how did u arrive so quickly at this ?

so.. lets address the other issue that prior to wolong showing that pastebin bllaming me for this whole collapse, you do remember the pastebin that showed him blaming pandawest for this whole collapse and saying that JUST A LITTLE UNDER 2HOURS PRIOR TO THE ONE ABOUT ME.. SAYING .. verbatim.. YOU ARE THE REASON I SOLD MY PANDA..

so, lets just address one last thing.. those 2 statements above dont even matter as the reality is, wolong dumped and tried to scapegoat us both in order to justify his actions of dumping on the market. Do you really think that the logical response to someone selling a few millions coins is to unload hundreds of millions? If u do, thats fine, at least I know where your logic stands. The second.. and i mean the SECOND the coin launched, wolong cut ties with the dev team and stopped communicating.. no one has shown us any proof here of wolong telling myself, evoked, mxtm, chise, and other sub-team members not to sell.. because guess what, the second he got his coins from the premine he stopped giving a shit about talking to us and dumped the market because he could, and because he could make some money and THAT, friend, is the reason why all this happened.

i hope this clears up any confusion

EDIT: I was also like to point out, for clarification that not only did wolong rape PANDA, but he decided that he was going to exit UNO too at that exact time and you can see, if u look at the prices during that same period that he exited uno.. so. your telling me this was all motivated bceause me or pandawest dumped a few coins? Wolong is a coin rapist.

A few coins here, a few coins there, and pretty soon we're talking a billion.

Aren't you continuing to victimize people by leaving the announcement post nearly unchanged from the original, knowing full well that most people don't read very far into a thread? As it's only trading at 5, why don't you wipe that post entirely, issue a full apology, and mitigate the collateral damage so newbs aren't victimized when those outstanding billions of coin get barfed onto an exchange?

If you think this is a great coin, reboot it completely with zero premine and no chance of insta. And ffs, do like Star Wars and slap some Roman Numerals on the pandas so everyone can tell which ones are cynical moneygrabs.

no were not talking a billion, were talking a max of 35 million which was mine and pandawest's combined holdings at the time of receiving our payment for project help. and we arent even talking about our total holdings, we are talking a max of a combined 10m that we sold. Let me ask, if we wanted to cash out so bad why didnt we sell everything when we had the chance to at high satoshi? Everyone is trying to find a way to blame us because we have been more community facing. Wolong has made maybe 5 posts here, each one as bad as the last, he is nowhere to be seen, i dont know what its going to take for you guys to get it.

I agree and will be changing the OP to reflect this in the morning, its 4am.

Ok, so you got to split a paltry 35 million coins. What did you do to deserve them?

I dont think its a question of deserve so much as being paid for the contribution to the dev team. You know in real life when you employ people to do a job, you remunerate them for their efforts for that task they are being asked to complete. Pandawest helped with windows related dev work, i took care of all community facing duties, and continue to do so.

Edit - my apologies if this sounds facetious  but please, seriously, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

Oh ok.  So essentially you just typed the OP and were employed to be wolong's hypeman and defender on the forums.

Job well done.  How many btc's did you get from your sell-off, if you don't mind me asking?  Just want to know how well forum posting pays in this day and age.

I still hold 15m panda. and at the time I sold a few million i believe it was at ~65.

I was NOT employed to be wolongs hypeman, though stupidly i did defend him on numerous occasions. I was asked to help by Jacob, who i knew way before any of this panda business came about through meeting him through UNO many months back.

I was employed to be the teams public facing member to help answer any questions people had, to discuss anything relating to the coin and to generally take care of the community.

Yes, which is just a fancy reiteration of what I stated.  You were just asked to be the hypeman on a forum.  How many btc's did you profit from typing on the forums? 65 satoshis per had to have been quite lucrative considering it all came from one or two sentence replies during your spare time.

Ah okay, feel free to take a look at my number of posts on my profile, 75% of them have come from this thread. And i have devoted an awful lot of time to this, dont be mistaken. But again, you are going to go with an answer that makes your opinion more valid as that is clearly what suits you in trying to find someone to pin this on and justify your anger toward the team. It's not your time being spent, so who cares, right?

Call it what you want, hypeman, marketing, PR , whatever, whatever name you choose we will go with, i am not really bothered how you want to frame this. You are taking your frustration out on the wrong person here, and although i share your frustrations, i am finding it difficult to discuss these things with you  in an amicable way. I think i cashed out around 3 btc if that helps.

Ah ok, cool thanks for the answer.  I was just curious, because obviously it looks like I'm in the wrong line of work then.

[sevoque]

Ok so the coin is dead to you, move along?

Wasn't it you who fucked this up for everyone by selling off the 1st?  Why would anyone listen to a word you say?  Your greed and lack of faith in your own coin shows.

lol u wana do this dance again? let me make this very clear for you, I WAS NEVER TOLD NOT TO SELL MY COINS.. wolong himself didnt even know how many coins i even got for helping wth the project. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 4 PEOPLE (INCLUDING WOLONG) WHO WERE OBLGIATED NOT TO MOVE COINS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS)


So yes thats correct.. my few million coins, which no one told me i couldn't sell and didnt say anything more than 'here you go thx for help' that were sold were responsible for crashing the market.. how did u arrive so quickly at this ?

so.. lets address the other issue that prior to wolong showing that pastebin bllaming me for this whole collapse, you do remember the pastebin that showed him blaming pandawest for this whole collapse and saying that JUST A LITTLE UNDER 2HOURS PRIOR TO THE ONE ABOUT ME.. SAYING .. verbatim.. YOU ARE THE REASON I SOLD MY PANDA..

so, lets just address one last thing.. those 2 statements above dont even matter as the reality is, wolong dumped and tried to scapegoat us both in order to justify his actions of dumping on the market. Do you really think that the logical response to someone selling a few millions coins is to unload hundreds of millions? If u do, thats fine, at least I know where your logic stands. The second.. and i mean the SECOND the coin launched, wolong cut ties with the dev team and stopped communicating.. no one has shown us any proof here of wolong telling myself, evoked, mxtm, chise, and other sub-team members not to sell.. because guess what, the second he got his coins from the premine he stopped giving a shit about talking to us and dumped the market because he could, and because he could make some money and THAT, friend, is the reason why all this happened.

i hope this clears up any confusion

EDIT: I was also like to point out, for clarification that not only did wolong rape PANDA, but he decided that he was going to exit UNO too at that exact time and you can see, if u look at the prices during that same period that he exited uno.. so. your telling me this was all motivated bceause me or pandawest dumped a few coins? Wolong is a coin rapist.

A few coins here, a few coins there, and pretty soon we're talking a billion.

Aren't you continuing to victimize people by leaving the announcement post nearly unchanged from the original, knowing full well that most people don't read very far into a thread? As it's only trading at 5, why don't you wipe that post entirely, issue a full apology, and mitigate the collateral damage so newbs aren't victimized when those outstanding billions of coin get barfed onto an exchange?

If you think this is a great coin, reboot it completely with zero premine and no chance of insta. And ffs, do like Star Wars and slap some Roman Numerals on the pandas so everyone can tell which ones are cynical moneygrabs.

no were not talking a billion, were talking a max of 35 million which was mine and pandawest's combined holdings at the time of receiving our payment for project help. and we arent even talking about our total holdings, we are talking a max of a combined 10m that we sold. Let me ask, if we wanted to cash out so bad why didnt we sell everything when we had the chance to at high satoshi? Everyone is trying to find a way to blame us because we have been more community facing. Wolong has made maybe 5 posts here, each one as bad as the last, he is nowhere to be seen, i dont know what its going to take for you guys to get it.

I agree and will be changing the OP to reflect this in the morning, its 4am.

Ok, so you got to split a paltry 35 million coins. What did you do to deserve them?

I dont think its a question of deserve so much as being paid for the contribution to the dev team. You know in real life when you employ people to do a job, you remunerate them for their efforts for that task they are being asked to complete. Pandawest helped with windows related dev work, i took care of all community facing duties, and continue to do so.

Edit - my apologies if this sounds facetious  but please, seriously, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

Oh ok.  So essentially you just typed the OP and were employed to be wolong's hypeman and defender on the forums.

Job well done.  How many btc's did you get from your sell-off, if you don't mind me asking?  Just want to know how well forum posting pays in this day and age.

I still hold 15m panda. and at the time I sold a few million i believe it was at ~65.

I was NOT employed to be wolongs hypeman, though stupidly i did defend him on numerous occasions. I was asked to help by Jacob, who i knew way before any of this panda business came about through meeting him through UNO many months back.

I was employed to be the teams public facing member to help answer any questions people had, to discuss anything relating to the coin and to generally take care of the community.

Yes, which is just a fancy reiteration of what I stated.  You were just asked to be the hypeman on a forum.  How many btc's did you profit from typing on the forums? 65 satoshis per had to have been quite lucrative considering it all came from one or two sentence replies during your spare time.

Ah okay, feel free to take a look at my number of posts on my profile, 75% of them have come from this thread. And i have devoted an awful lot of time to this, dont be mistaken. But again, you are going to go with an answer that makes your opinion more valid as that is clearly what suits you in trying to find someone to pin this on and justify your anger toward the team. It's not your time being spent, so who cares, right?

Call it what you want, hypeman, marketing, PR , whatever, whatever name you choose we will go with, i am not really bothered how you want to frame this. You are taking your frustration out on the wrong person here, and although i share your frustrations, i am finding it difficult to discuss these things with you  in an amicable way. I think i cashed out around 3 btc if that helps.

Ah ok, cool thanks for the answer.  I was just curious, because obviously it looks like I'm in the wrong line of work then.

what you do for employment is none of my business, but if thats the case, then ask for a pay rise if you feel you are undervalued. :/

[Walruse]

Sevoque the joke

[Molitor]

Ok so the coin is dead to you, move along?

Wasn't it you who fucked this up for everyone by selling off the 1st?  Why would anyone listen to a word you say?  Your greed and lack of faith in your own coin shows.

lol u wana do this dance again? let me make this very clear for you, I WAS NEVER TOLD NOT TO SELL MY COINS.. wolong himself didnt even know how many coins i even got for helping wth the project. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 4 PEOPLE (INCLUDING WOLONG) WHO WERE OBLGIATED NOT TO MOVE COINS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS)


So yes thats correct.. my few million coins, which no one told me i couldn't sell and didnt say anything more than 'here you go thx for help' that were sold were responsible for crashing the market.. how did u arrive so quickly at this ?

so.. lets address the other issue that prior to wolong showing that pastebin bllaming me for this whole collapse, you do remember the pastebin that showed him blaming pandawest for this whole collapse and saying that JUST A LITTLE UNDER 2HOURS PRIOR TO THE ONE ABOUT ME.. SAYING .. verbatim.. YOU ARE THE REASON I SOLD MY PANDA..

so, lets just address one last thing.. those 2 statements above dont even matter as the reality is, wolong dumped and tried to scapegoat us both in order to justify his actions of dumping on the market. Do you really think that the logical response to someone selling a few millions coins is to unload hundreds of millions? If u do, thats fine, at least I know where your logic stands. The second.. and i mean the SECOND the coin launched, wolong cut ties with the dev team and stopped communicating.. no one has shown us any proof here of wolong telling myself, evoked, mxtm, chise, and other sub-team members not to sell.. because guess what, the second he got his coins from the premine he stopped giving a shit about talking to us and dumped the market because he could, and because he could make some money and THAT, friend, is the reason why all this happened.

i hope this clears up any confusion

EDIT: I was also like to point out, for clarification that not only did wolong rape PANDA, but he decided that he was going to exit UNO too at that exact time and you can see, if u look at the prices during that same period that he exited uno.. so. your telling me this was all motivated bceause me or pandawest dumped a few coins? Wolong is a coin rapist.

A few coins here, a few coins there, and pretty soon we're talking a billion.

Aren't you continuing to victimize people by leaving the announcement post nearly unchanged from the original, knowing full well that most people don't read very far into a thread? As it's only trading at 5, why don't you wipe that post entirely, issue a full apology, and mitigate the collateral damage so newbs aren't victimized when those outstanding billions of coin get barfed onto an exchange?

If you think this is a great coin, reboot it completely with zero premine and no chance of insta. And ffs, do like Star Wars and slap some Roman Numerals on the pandas so everyone can tell which ones are cynical moneygrabs.

no were not talking a billion, were talking a max of 35 million which was mine and pandawest's combined holdings at the time of receiving our payment for project help. and we arent even talking about our total holdings, we are talking a max of a combined 10m that we sold. Let me ask, if we wanted to cash out so bad why didnt we sell everything when we had the chance to at high satoshi? Everyone is trying to find a way to blame us because we have been more community facing. Wolong has made maybe 5 posts here, each one as bad as the last, he is nowhere to be seen, i dont know what its going to take for you guys to get it.

I agree and will be changing the OP to reflect this in the morning, its 4am.

Ok, so you got to split a paltry 35 million coins. What did you do to deserve them?

I dont think its a question of deserve so much as being paid for the contribution to the dev team. You know in real life when you employ people to do a job, you remunerate them for their efforts for that task they are being asked to complete. Pandawest helped with windows related dev work, i took care of all community facing duties, and continue to do so.

Edit - my apologies if this sounds facetious  but please, seriously, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

This whole coin started ridiculous.

I won't continue, but I suspect the grifting will.

Never in my life have I seen so many fools stumble over each other so hard just to lie down with dogs.

[Paladin69]

Man that was an epic transfer of wealth.  Trendon Shavers-style.  Well done scammers.

This is the kind of crap that is going to cause alt coin markets to be heavily regulated.  Wolong calling everyone on twitter "greedy"...lol...pot meet kettle...what a jerk.

[ozzymax]

Man that was an epic transfer of wealth.  Trendon Shavers-style.  Well done scammers.

This is the kind of crap that is going to cause alt coin markets to be heavily regulated.  Wolong calling everyone on twitter "greedy"...lol...pot meet kettle...what a jerk.

Well said.

What the scammers don't realize is that when regulation does come and it eventually will without doubt after Gox goes belly up is that they are going to have to pay the piper, they have left so many digital footprints it will be easy for the authorities to track them down, some people are going to serve some serious jail time. Hope it was worth it, they better enjoy their ill gotten Bitcoins while they can.

[caution]

Man that was an epic transfer of wealth.  Trendon Shavers-style.  Well done scammers.

This is the kind of crap that is going to cause alt coin markets to be heavily regulated.  Wolong calling everyone on twitter "greedy"...lol...pot meet kettle...what a jerk.

why does anyone pay any attention to that scammer?  His first loyalty is to himself, he doesn't care who he throws under the bus & then turns around & cries 'woe-is-me'.  If he really cared about the people, this community he wouldn't have cashed in on "your backs".  I see a lot of hate in this forum for the devs but your buddy wolong burned you all.  I can't help but laugh that any of you would have trusted such a person, the second I found out he was any way involved with this coin I ran.  Let this be a lesson to you all, "if it sounds too good to be true it usually is".

[geokilla]

Yo guys. It was 4am a couple hours ago for Sevoque. Meaning it's now 6 or 7am. He says he's gonna clean up the OP but instead he's arguing and trying to justify why pandacoin will rebound and succeed. What utter BS.

Man that was an epic transfer of wealth.  Trendon Shavers-style.  Well done scammers.

This is the kind of crap that is going to cause alt coin markets to be heavily regulated.  Wolong calling everyone on twitter "greedy"...lol...pot meet kettle...what a jerk.

I don't see what's the problem with Wolong calling people greedy. Many of us are/were greedy and decided to mine and support pandacoin before it all fell apart. People's attitude towards the coin and devs took a complete 360. There was a lot of people warning that this was going to be trouble due to 3% premine. I'm one of those that let greed get to me, and I faced the consequences of losing 0.4 or so BTC. Hence why I said ~$300 in one of my previous posts once you factor in electricity. Ya it's not much compared to some of what you guys lost, but greed is greed.

[paulus51]

i would say :
just stop all those arguments and bla bla bla ,
lets pick this up, trow in new life and get on with it , there will be always greedy people  

i am stil mining this coin and i believe if let say all drop the toughts of pre minted coins ( becouse of greediness ) en lets pick it up !

fork it and we all could benefit from all coins so just go on !!!   keep mining like i do and some day it will bring back those losses

so please stop blaming everyone and lets get to work, i believe pandacoin can stil be a nice coin to work with , even the people with not so good mining rigs like my self , i get some coins coming in not muts  but i am happy with it....


everything in this digital coin business is a risky thing, but please drop the greedyness i dont car if mate x got millions i have 3000.00 coins so what ??


every pennie i can get for my project is good and to the guy who stole those BTC i hope that you can explane that to your GOD wen you die,
i feel deep sorry for you and all those greedy people,

iam not a greedy man , and i am happy with that, accept your losses and lets go on ...........someday you will be rewarde for it .


i wish i had a lillte knowlegde for " repairing" this coin but with a bandage we can stil make it as the coin with a hard history we dealt with


so again stop blaming and lets go on ................ok ?

i am not a kid i am old and grey 55 years old and i am dutch so excuse my english a bit  


edit :  and dont forget my project becouse of that i am mining not even for my self !

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[Rofo]

[eschmenk]

Yo guys. It was 4am a couple hours ago for Sevoque. Meaning it's now 6 or 7am. He says he's gonna clean up the OP but instead he's arguing and trying to justify why pandacoin will rebound and succeed. What utter BS.

I think you are going a little too far there:

I'm personally open to any suggestions that in theory could work, but please know one thing,I PERSONALLY have little authority over what can actually happen given that it is Jacob and Artis who are the core devs and would need to agreee between themselves.

We are obviously distraught that all the hard work, time and effort we have put in was seemingly sabotaged in the window of a few hours and would love to find a way to move past it and regain the community trust.

Right there he's saying that he wants to find a way to fix things, which implies that he hasn't found a way yet, and he says that it's not up to him anyway. That's clearly not promising success. (I would agree that it was awfully self-centered, but that wasn't your criticism.)

OTOH, [-Warlock-] / JacobUX did promise back up to 500 satoshi. That wasn't Sevoque, though.

What I don't understand is this:

i had no idea of any of this [stuff that JacobUX said in IRC], and its a part of the reason i will be walking away from this.

So why is Sevoque still around? When will he walk away? What is the "this" that he will walk away from, if not the entire project?

I'm not seeing that much difference between  [-Warlock-] / JacobUX and Wolong, so why hasn't Sevoque bailed?

The other question is why do I care? I'm going to bed.

[yannis7777]

Except we have a 200+ page btctalk thread, developer support, and a massive community that doesn't give a shit about all the FUD you are spewing in your channels 24/7.

There I said it, 500 satoshis next tues. screen shot this post.

This statement in itself sounds like scam mate. How on earth do you justify reaching 500 satoshi? You are losing your (what is left off it) credibility with statements like this man.

Warlock or someone from the dev team can you answer this? How do you justify panda reaching 500 ffs? You sound like right scammers yourselves by making these statements.

[flipstyle]

This shit is a broken record. They whine about scams, yet no one has been scammed except for the people who have mistakenly mined the wrong coin by their community posting fake PANDA pools here...

Jesus christ.  Take off your rose colored glasses for a second.

'No one has been scammed except for the people who have mistakenly mined the wrong coin by fake panda pools.'

Right.  So how about all these people who 'invested' their hard earned btc for hoards of this junk when it hit mintpal at the overinflated price of over 50 satoshis all the ways in upwards of 100 satoshis?  

Oh, I suppose they weren't scammed at all when they suddenly found out their holdings were worth about 1/5th of what they paid for them when they woke up one morning after this entire shit scheme was formally exposed in this thread.

Yeah.  Totally not scammed.  That's just a part of 'the business,' amirite?  COMPLETELY nothing wrong with their beloved chinese dictator dumping a few billion on the exchanges after fleeing from the crime scene, further bringing the value of their investment close to nil.

The only ones who won in all this were the devs and wolong.  Everyone else took it up the ass without the lube.

Good lord, the intelligence levels of some of the people on this forum.  It's amazing some of you guys even know how to find the power button on your toasters.

[portice]

You guys trusted a bullshit irc/twitter pnd'r with your coin, you kinda deserve it, sorry if you lost money, but christ, do a little research.