[ANN] AIRcoin

[luke997]

Huge wall of text

- Alexander

Wow. I learned more in one post on a bitcoin forum than I did from a college level course on US economic policy. Anyway, this just re-assured why I have felt this coin was a good investment from the start. I am very excited about the future of this coin, and now cannot wait for it to hit a major exchange. Good things are coming with this coin.

Couldn't have put it better...

[AIRCOINDEV O]

I'm trying to compile from source the aircoind
git clone https://github.com/Allied-Investors-Association/AIRcoin
cd AIRcoin/src
make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=-

Almost completes then:

obj/txdb.o: In function `bool CLevelDB::Read<char, CBigNum>(char const&, CBigNum&)':
/mine/AIRcoin/src/leveldb.h:94: undefined reference to `leveldb::Status::ToString() const'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [AIRcoind] Error 1

Apologies for the late reply.  You may want to use (instead):

Code:

make clean -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=-

[PeaMine]

I'm trying to compile from source the aircoind
git clone https://github.com/Allied-Investors-Association/AIRcoin
cd AIRcoin/src
make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=-

Almost completes then:

obj/txdb.o: In function `bool CLevelDB::Read<char, CBigNum>(char const&, CBigNum&)':
/mine/AIRcoin/src/leveldb.h:94: undefined reference to `leveldb::Status::ToString() const'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [AIRcoind] Error 1

Apologies for the late reply.  You may want to use (instead):

Code:

make clean -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=-

Thanks!

Is:
git clone https://github.com/Allied-Investors-Association/AIRcoin
Correct?
It pulls around 288MB of data while most are just a few MB.



:~/AIRcoin/src# make clean -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=-
rm -f AIRcoind test_AIRcoin
rm -f obj/*.o
rm -f obj-test/*.o
rm -f obj/*.P
rm -f obj-test/*.P
rm -f obj/build.h
cd leveldb && make clean || true
/bin/sh: 1: ./build_detect_platform: Permission denied
make[1]: Entering directory `/mine/AIRcoin/src/leveldb'
rm -f db_bench leveldbutil arena_test autocompact_test bloom_test c_test cache_test coding_test corruption_test crc32c_test db_test dbformat_test env_test filename_test filter_block_test issue178_test log_test memenv_test skiplist_test table_test version_edit_test version_set_test write_batch_test db_bench_sqlite3 db_bench_tree_db libleveldb.a libleveldb.so libleveldb.so.1 libleveldb.so.1.13 libmemenv.a */*.o */*/*.o ios-x86/*/*.o ios-arm/*/*.o build_config.mk
rm -rf ios-x86/* ios-arm/*
make[1]: Leaving directory `/mine/AIRcoin/src/leveldb'

[instacalm]

bin/sh: 1: ./build_detect_platform: Permission denied
make[1]: Entering directory `/mine/AIRcoin/src/leveldb'
rm -f db_bench leveldbutil arena_test autocompact_test bloom_test c_test cache_test coding_test corruption_test crc32c_test db_test dbformat_test env_test filename_test filter_block_test issue178_test log_test memenv_test skiplist_test table_test version_edit_test version_set_test write_batch_test db_bench_sqlite3 db_bench_tree_db libleveldb.a libleveldb.so libleveldb.so.1 libleveldb.so.1.13 libmemenv.a */*.o */*/*.o ios-x86/*/*.o ios-arm/*/*.o build_config.mk
rm -rf ios-x86/* ios-arm/*
make[1]: Leaving directory `/mine/AIRcoin/src/leveldb'

Code:

cd leveldb
chmod +x build_detect_platform
make

cd ..
make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=-

=> compiles fine

sky@7w:~/air/AIRcoin/src# ./AIRcoind -daemon
sky@7w:~/air/AIRcoin/src# AIRcoin server starting

[PeaMine]

g++: error: /mine/AIRcoin/src/leveldb/libmemenv.a: No such file or directory
make: *** [AIRcoind] Error 1

[AIRCOINDEV O]

g++: error: /mine/AIRcoin/src/leveldb/libmemenv.a: No such file or directory
make: *** [AIRcoind] Error 1

Check to make sure libmemenv.a is actually in leveldb.  If it is, this is most likely a problem with g++.  If it isn't, then you could try re-installing the libleveldb-dev package.

On another note, assuming you have the correct source and you followed instacash's post above:

Code:

cd src/leveldb
make libmemenv.a

then

Code:

cd src
make clean -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=-

[UrsaMajorisBeta]

Thus, the dev team skills were unleashed

[PeaMine]

Thus, the dev team skills were unleashed

Yes seriously, I must have this coin haha, the developers are ON TOP OF IT.

[AIRcoin Theseus]

In the result of failure, as insurmountable as it seems, AIRcoin doesn't technically fail, it simply becomes just another cryptocurrency that doesn't offer market services. If my entire development team were to die overnight, it would still operate with the same support of any other cryptocoin. And that's the beauty of it. That's what makes this whole endeavor unique: Upon absolute failure of our development team, it is still a good cryptocoin with usable code.

- Alexander

I'd like to reemphasize this point. Coins have been experimenting for a while with different block rewards, different ways to structure the block reward (dynamically or not), ways to retarget difficulty (our respect to Kimoto), different fees, different premines, and much more besides. Except for the straight up clones, every coin has approached these questions in different ways. After several years of experimentation and growth, we have a pretty good idea of the right combination of these characteristics that make a coin successful. But the original creators of Bitcoin never could have known the answers to some of these questions; it has taken years of experimentation and iteration to get us to where we are.

With that said, we've studied altcoins to figure out what they've done right and what they've done wrong. And even some of the scams have helped inform the community about the upper limit of inflation that can be sustainable. We take a dim view on that question. After studying the unsustainable increases in supply that the animal coins pioneered, we realized that a moderate increase in supply over time is the single best way to introduce stability into the market. This is a criticism for both animal coins and Bitcoin itself. The animal coins debase their currencies in their impatience. Bitcoin hits its ceiling too soon. To be clear, no one could have reasonably expected the Bitcoin creators to have understood the second order effects of limiting increases in supply over time. Fortunately, with years of hindsight, we do. This is a topic that we will go into depth about in the coming days and weeks.

So even if you completely discount our efforts to increase stability and liquidity for our coin, we still have a damn fine coin. And excitingly, this is an area that we are pioneering. Market making is not new to the stock market. But this is the first time that the development team behind a coin has set out to deliberately and rigorously provide stability and liquidity to a coin after it's already being traded. All of the experimentation over the past few years has been in the code of the coin itself. This is our contribution: a perfection of coin characteristics and an ecosystem of trading services to ensure the success of our coin in the long run.

[dcoinz]

If anybody is still mining on CtrlAltDefeated for this coin, please be advised that the pool owner has made off with all of my auroracoins and has not responded to any of my messages, public or private.

Good luck.

[TheMightyX]

Wall of text

- Alexander

I appreciate the amount of thought put into your reply.
It shows that your team is not flying by the seat of their pants, and has taken the time to plan and prepare.
All though I still have doubts, I know it is impossible to dispel them. I will be investing a small amount into aircoin and following its progress.

[sussex]

If anybody is still mining on CtrlAltDefeated for this coin, please be advised that the pool owner has made off with all of my auroracoins and has not responded to any of my messages, public or private.

Good luck.

Just two minutes ago, I manually withdrew my 14 AIR from the pool to my wallet no problem at all.

[mudshark79]

@Teamaircoin:

I'm not sure if this question already came up somewhere in the past 20 pages ... so: why didn't you choose some fancy algo or some POS ingredient to the asset? To keep things simple (in terms of avoiding POS) or to even attract ASICS in the near future?

Regards

[AIRcoin]

@Teamaircoin:

I'm not sure if this question already came up somewhere in the past 20 pages ... so: why didn't you choose some fancy algo or some POS ingredient to the asset? To keep things simple (in terms of avoiding POS) or to even attract ASICS in the near future?

Regards

Initially, simplicity. Our time and energy is spent on the economics of the coin, and we didn't feel that (at least at launch) the effort and complexity put forth in a POS system would have significantly improved the economics of the coin. Instituting such a system (especially if Scrypt ASICs move in faster than we anticipate, we believe we'll be able to adapt the code earlier) is not out of the question though.

In the longer term (months), adopting to a more environmentally-friendly or economically viable POS system may be advantageous.

[mudshark79]

@Teamaircoin:

I'm not sure if this question already came up somewhere in the past 20 pages ... so: why didn't you choose some fancy algo or some POS ingredient to the asset? To keep things simple (in terms of avoiding POS) or to even attract ASICS in the near future?

Regards

Initially, simplicity. Our time and energy is spent on the economics of the coin, and we didn't feel that (at least at launch) the effort and complexity put forth in a POS system would have significantly improved the economics of the coin. Instituting such a system (especially if Scrypt ASICs move in faster than we anticipate, we believe we'll be able to adapt the code earlier) is not out of the question though.

In the longer term (months), adopting to a more environmentally-friendly or economically viable POS system may be advantageous.

As my question did cover POS and alternative Algos also and your answer didn't clearly reflect on the second:

If I got you right, you do consider moving on to a Proof-Of-Stake AND/OR a different Mining-Algo (Scrypt-N, SHA-3) also, if this gives advantage to the project as a whole?

It is said that both this options can be applied to an existing coin afterwards forcing a hard-fork, but if I think about it no example where this actually really happened comes to my mind, not counting "blockchain-resets" ala Memorycoin.

Regards

[AIRcoin]

@Teamaircoin:

I'm not sure if this question already came up somewhere in the past 20 pages ... so: why didn't you choose some fancy algo or some POS ingredient to the asset? To keep things simple (in terms of avoiding POS) or to even attract ASICS in the near future?

Regards

Initially, simplicity. Our time and energy is spent on the economics of the coin, and we didn't feel that (at least at launch) the effort and complexity put forth in a POS system would have significantly improved the economics of the coin. Instituting such a system (especially if Scrypt ASICs move in faster than we anticipate, we believe we'll be able to adapt the code earlier) is not out of the question though.

In the longer term (months), adopting to a more environmentally-friendly or economically viable POS system may be advantageous.

As my question did cover POS and alternative Algos also and your answer didn't clearly reflect on the second:

If I got you right, you do consider moving on to a Proof-Of-Stake AND/OR a different Mining-Algo (Scrypt-N, SHA-3) also, if this gives advantage to the project as a whole?

It is said that both this options can be applied to an existing coin afterwards forcing a hard-fork, but if I think about it no example where this actually really happened comes to my mind, not counting "blockchain-resets" ala Memorycoin.

Regards

Depending on the effectiveness of this coin, we may launch different versions alongside it or run more experiments with the code, and both Proof of Stake and special algorithms are on our "to-do" list of experimentation. However, these are not high priorities with the code right now, but are future plans.

[Moebius327]

Interesting coin.

[LeFiste]

@Teamaircoin:

I'm not sure if this question already came up somewhere in the past 20 pages ... so: why didn't you choose some fancy algo or some POS ingredient to the asset? To keep things simple (in terms of avoiding POS) or to even attract ASICS in the near future?

Regards

Initially, simplicity. Our time and energy is spent on the economics of the coin, and we didn't feel that (at least at launch) the effort and complexity put forth in a POS system would have significantly improved the economics of the coin. Instituting such a system (especially if Scrypt ASICs move in faster than we anticipate, we believe we'll be able to adapt the code earlier) is not out of the question though.

In the longer term (months), adopting to a more environmentally-friendly or economically viable POS system may be advantageous.

As my question did cover POS and alternative Algos also and your answer didn't clearly reflect on the second:

If I got you right, you do consider moving on to a Proof-Of-Stake AND/OR a different Mining-Algo (Scrypt-N, SHA-3) also, if this gives advantage to the project as a whole?

It is said that both this options can be applied to an existing coin afterwards forcing a hard-fork, but if I think about it no example where this actually really happened comes to my mind, not counting "blockchain-resets" ala Memorycoin.

Regards

Depending on the effectiveness of this coin, we may launch different versions alongside it or run more experiments with the code, and both Proof of Stake and special algorithms are on our "to-do" list of experimentation. However, these are not high priorities with the code right now, but are future plans.

What do you mean by different versions? Something like Bitcoin/Litecoin, where one coin is "gold" and the other "silver"?

P.S: I want to thank the Dev-Team for the professionalism and the energy you put in EVERY post here in this thread. I've never seen this kind of commitment from other Devs. You really take the doubts of the Aircoin community serious, and answer all our questions! The politeness of this community also baffles me. Thank you all! It's always a pleasure to visit this thread and to read all the posts.

[Moebius327]

I have started a BUY/SELL thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499954.msg5504479#msg5504479

[AIRcoin]

I have started a BUY/SELL thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499954.msg5504479#msg5504479

We do have a (yet unused) marketplace on our own forum: http://teamaircoin.org/forums/forum/market-place/ also.

What do you mean by different versions? Something like Bitcoin/Litecoin, where one coin is "gold" and the other "silver"?

P.S: I want to thank the Dev-Team for the professionalism and the energy you put in EVERY post here in this thread. I've never seen this kind of commitment from other Devs. You really take the doubts of the Aircoin community serious, and answer all our questions! The politeness of this community also baffles me. Thank you all! It's always a pleasure to visit this thread and to read all the posts.

Yes, something like the Bitcoin / Litecoin relationship.