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May 19, 2014, 03:34:44 PM
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just an idea:

can we add some new features this time?

like darksend or zerocoin feature Smiley



Don't think either of those really work. No coin has made Zerocoin work. Don't know much about darksend, just that Darkcoin is 75% dev insta-mined. Is darksend working anyone?

Anyway, both 'features' are superfluous, they would add nothing to the utility of c2 as intended.
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Once a transaction has 6 confirmations, it is extremely unlikely that an attacker without at least 50% of the network's computation power would be able to reverse it.
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May 19, 2014, 03:44:43 PM
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We just receive a note from Coin2.0 dev's that we can open wallet for deposits with minimum of 100 confirmations and withdrawals. So we did it already - Welcome!

https://c-cex.com/?p=nc2-btc
https://c-cex.com/?p=nc2-usd

PLEASE DON'T OPEN DEPOSITS AND WITHDRAWALS.
Attacker mays exchange his coins !!!

Maybe they are trapping the attacker Wink As soon as he deposits, coins are frozen.

that would be funny. yet I don't think he is stupid though. seeing that there is no way to sell them on there. no one is doing any trading on there.
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May 19, 2014, 04:13:14 PM
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We just receive a note from Coin2.0 dev's that we can open wallet for deposits with minimum of 100 confirmations and withdrawals. So we did it already - Welcome!

https://c-cex.com/?p=nc2-btc
https://c-cex.com/?p=nc2-usd

PLEASE DON'T OPEN DEPOSITS AND WITHDRAWALS.
Attacker mays exchange his coins !!!

Maybe they are trapping the attacker Wink As soon as he deposits, coins are frozen.

that would be funny. yet I don't think he is stupid though. seeing that there is no way to sell them on there. no one is doing any trading on there.


lmao

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May 19, 2014, 05:00:06 PM
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How does darksend make c2 better for gaming?
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May 19, 2014, 06:15:50 PM
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How does darksend make c2 better for gaming?

c2 is not only about the game, it's obviously also a coin, which should always be up to date with the latest features / specs that are available. Right now is a good time for some changes, if necessary.

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UPDATE: I AM GOING TO FINISH UP THE NEW CODE AND WE WILL THEN START EXCHANGING OLD COINS.  


INSTRUCTION.

IF YOUR COINS ARE ON AN EXCHANGE, LEAVE THEM THERE!  THE EXCHANGE WILL SWITCH THEM OVER.

IF YOUR COINS ARE IN YOUR WALLET, READ BELOW.

1. Send a screenshot of your wallet including date and time.  
2. Include a copy/paste of your old wallet address and copy/paste of new wallet address.  ( Obviously as soon as you have the new wallet.)


I will notify everyone when the new wallet is ready.  Thank you.

New coin supply will be 90 mil.  30 mil will be on 2 publicly view able addresses, and will never be spent.  They are the safety coins to prevent this from happening again. 
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May 19, 2014, 11:06:06 PM
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IF YOUR COINS ARE IN YOUR WALLET, READ BELOW.

1. Send a screenshot of your wallet including date and time. 
2. Include a copy/paste of your old wallet address and copy/paste of new wallet address.  ( Obviously as soon as you have the new wallet.)
Don't you think some investors may not have bitcointalk account and may not want to have any?
Don't you think some investors may not want to disclose their anonymous cryptocurrency holdings and link it with their accounts?
Don't you think anyone can easily make fake screenshots claiming he is the owner of any address?

I suggest you should:
1. Make new C2 addresses compatible with old ones
2. Take a snapshot of blockchain and calculate final balance for each address.
3. Transfer old C2 to new C2 automatically excluding attacker's address.
4. Post a how-to for importing "old" private keys into new wallet.

You have already failed twice. Please, take appropriate consultations with somebody who is heavily into crypto this time before making final decisions.
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May 19, 2014, 11:08:06 PM
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How about this? You do it!  Grin
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May 19, 2014, 11:25:29 PM
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How about this? You do it!  Grin

i am among the top list.

i am very anxious about it.

what should i do now?

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May 19, 2014, 11:29:51 PM
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How about this? You do it!  Grin

Have you found your passion diminishing a bit after all the drama? I would imagine it's been soul destroying watching the events unfold when you started this coin with the best intentions.

Are you still as enthusiastic about the project as you were at the beginning?
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May 19, 2014, 11:30:54 PM
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How about this? You do it!  Grin

Have you found your passion diminishing a bit after all the drama? I would imagine it's been soul destroying watching the events unfold when you started this coin with the best intentions.

Are you still as enthusiastic about the project as you were at the beginning?

i am also shocked by such response.

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May 19, 2014, 11:39:27 PM
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How about this? You do it!  Grin
I'm not the head dev. You are.
If this is the way you deal with potential problems then I can't wait to see the fall of C2.
I hope you drunk right now or your kid is typing instead of you or your account was stolen or something like that.
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May 19, 2014, 11:42:02 PM
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Another change?  Huh
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May 19, 2014, 11:45:41 PM
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UPDATE: I AM GOING TO FINISH UP THE NEW CODE AND WE WILL THEN START EXCHANGING OLD COINS.  


INSTRUCTION.

IF YOUR COINS ARE ON AN EXCHANGE, LEAVE THEM THERE!  THE EXCHANGE WILL SWITCH THEM OVER.

IF YOUR COINS ARE IN YOUR WALLET, READ BELOW.

1. Send a screenshot of your wallet including date and time.  
2. Include a copy/paste of your old wallet address and copy/paste of new wallet address.  ( Obviously as soon as you have the new wallet.)


I will notify everyone when the new wallet is ready.  Thank you.

New coin supply will be 90 mil.  30 mil will be on 2 publicly view able addresses, and will never be spent.  They are the safety coins to prevent this from happening again.  

Joel,

If we can isolate the attacker, why should we make extra 30 million.

that is not fair to ppl buying from exchange. although the planned extra will be never sold, but it will certainly scare potential investors away.

as you stated crypto world is wild west, how can ppl trust anyone?

can we just find out a better way to sort it out?

if we are keep like this, ppl will lost confidence and patience.

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May 19, 2014, 11:48:21 PM
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If we can isolate the attacker, why should we make extra 30 million.
but it will certainly scare potential investors away.

+1

I have bought c2 coins why were only 50 mil, then they became 60...now 90!  Undecided
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May 20, 2014, 12:52:46 AM
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UPDATE: I AM GOING TO FINISH UP THE NEW CODE AND WE WILL THEN START EXCHANGING OLD COINS.  


INSTRUCTION.

IF YOUR COINS ARE ON AN EXCHANGE, LEAVE THEM THERE!  THE EXCHANGE WILL SWITCH THEM OVER.

IF YOUR COINS ARE IN YOUR WALLET, READ BELOW.

1. Send a screenshot of your wallet including date and time.  
2. Include a copy/paste of your old wallet address and copy/paste of new wallet address.  ( Obviously as soon as you have the new wallet.)


I will notify everyone when the new wallet is ready.  Thank you.

New coin supply will be 90 mil.  30 mil will be on 2 publicly view able addresses, and will never be spent.  They are the safety coins to prevent this from happening again.  

Joel,

If we can isolate the attacker, why should we make extra 30 million.

that is not fair to ppl buying from exchange. although the planned extra will be never sold, but it will certainly scare potential investors away.

as you stated crypto world is wild west, how can ppl trust anyone?

can we just find out a better way to sort it out?

if we are keep like this, ppl will lost confidence and patience.


+1
There has to be a better way, there's no other coin out there that has done this so who knows how effective it will be, at least in the eyes of an investor. People will have constant fear on the coins being dumped.

The only way it would work is MAYBE if the coins were placed in a wallet and someone hitting a long and random password and not saving it lol. But then again this could be faked with a camera/video.

We should also ask around the community for advice on a possible solution, ive been an investor when they were only 50 million. Did not get them for free and been buying from 200 sat to 1100 sat. There's a lot of investors who have a lot of faith in this team like myself and i believe everything should be thought out throughly this time, even if it takes another week or two.
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May 20, 2014, 12:55:08 AM
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I still don't get it - wasn't it mintpal fault keeping confirmations at ridiculously low level (3) that made an attack possible?
Was there any reply from them? Didn't found any from mintpal-jay since he stated that there was an attack and they are investigating it.

If it was their fault:
that's their loss caused by their mistake only. Why would we do anything at all?

If it wasn't:
Regarding 90 mil and so on:

just a few days back
UPDATE:

A FEW WORDS FROM ME (THE HEAD DEV):

I sincerely apologize that the coin has been subject to an attack twice.  This is emerging technology and I am relatively busy in the real world.  However, I assure you, this coin is my passion and my real joy.  

The problem was that the exchanges had a majority of the coin in their wallets and exchanges do not stake aka "mine".  So someone did not need 51% of the 60 mil total coins.  They only needed 51% of "staking coins".  Being that most coins were on the exchanges, the attacker was able to figure out a double spend method without 51% of total coins.  

Mintpal does not have the double spend coins.  I dont know what the attacker did with them.  SO HERE IS THE PLAN.

1. We are going to make a new coin with 60 million total supply and a lower interest rate (5%)
2. We are setting up a db to allow people to send in their old coins.  IF YOU HAVE COINS ON AN EXCHANGE, LEAVE THEM THERE.
3. Any wallets created after 5/16/14<--THE DAY OF ATTACK, are invalid and WILL NOT RECEIVE NEW COINS.  This will eliminate the attackers stash of coins    and we will be left with a surplus.  Mintpal lost 22 mil coins from the double spend.  We will reimburse Mintpal, so that they can give users back their coins.  
4. The board members have decided to keep all of our coins in 2 or 3 wallets and have them staking 24/7.  This will make sure that there is always a sufficient amount of coins "minting" and will nearly eliminate 51% attack potential.
5. This will take time and we ask you to bear with us.  Again, I apologize for this.  Thank you all.  Smiley

Please do not send emails to Mintpal, Polo,or Bter they are aware of what is going on and your coins are safe.

1. Suppose I have 1 NC2 -> 1/60mil and now I have to cover mintpal loss from my own money getting only 1/90mil? wtf? It looks like some kind of robbery to me. Free distribution is over a long time ago. People bought this coin for some "real" money and new redistribution have to be fair, you can't just say - oh, well, now i have 33% of all your coins (money you put here).
2. 30 mil that would never be spent... staking... in two places... oh well.. say goodbye to good distribution and... you can do 51% attack by yourself or dump it in no time or.... what a nice target for next attack... either way - way too scary to invest.
3. Screenshot doesn't really prove anything (as it stated before) - one can fake it pretty easily and it can be even automated.
The only way to prove ownership is to send small amount:
- someone send you request to approve he owns some address
- you reply with some random number (new number to every new requester) and some address to send to
- once your receive exactly this amount from address he claims to own you can be pretty sure this person is the real owner.
But, well, say goodbye to anonymity anyway.
Wouldn't it be better to let everyone use exchange to "switch" coins?

To summarize: let's think once again.

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May 20, 2014, 12:58:00 AM
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When will it start trading again?
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May 20, 2014, 12:59:56 AM
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3. Screenshot doesn't really prove anything (as it stated before) - one can fake it pretty easily and it can be even automated.
The only way to prove ownership is to send small amount:
- someone send you request to approve he owns some address
- you reply with some random number (new number to every new requester) and some address to send to
- once your receive exactly this amount from address he claims to own you can be pretty sure this person is the real owner.


still labor intensive.

i don't know if it is possible to take snapshot and import private key.

better we have some easy to use solution.

and no more surplus. thanks

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May 20, 2014, 01:08:51 AM
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3. Screenshot doesn't really prove anything (as it stated before) - one can fake it pretty easily and it can be even automated.
The only way to prove ownership is to send small amount:
- someone send you request to approve he owns some address
- you reply with some random number (new number to every new requester) and some address to send to
- once your receive exactly this amount from address he claims to own you can be pretty sure this person is the real owner.


still labor intensive.

i don't know if it is possible to take snapshot and import private key.

better we have some easy to use solution.

and no more surplus. thanks
yes, it's labor intensive but you can't fake it.
easy to use solution = exchange "switch" coins automatically but we need them to enable deposits

EDIT: ignore this ^^^ once everyone's coins is on exchange there will be no one to secure network and I'm not sure wouldn't this lead to some mess or not

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