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[kiklo]

That's really cool. Our codebase was a ppcoin fork (mint) and now we have our own codebase.
Switching to BTC codebase with all the changes in ppcoin, mintcoin and zeitcoin would be too much work for one developer.

Cheers

FYI:
Recent changes between Zeit & Mint on Aug 1st.

Zeit Codebase can support a timedrift of 1 minute with no problems.
Mint Codebase only supports a timedrift of 30 seconds.

Zeit kept our IRC code, allowing another way to find other Zeit Wallets.
Mint removed their IRC code , because antivirus software kept flagging mint as a virus.
This has just caused them a problem with new installs not being able to sync.

 

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[kiklo]

Is it possible to delete blocks on the local copy?
Backtrack so to speak. And anyone got a how 2 guide link handy?

In Zeit, just close the wallet and then open it back up and it will reorganized with the correct chain.

If you are asking for another reason, then what specifically are you trying to do?

 

FYI:
If you are asking the question for Greensbacks, they will need to hire a dev to help fix their fork and issue a checkpoint to stop it from forking again.

[BitcoinNational]

No not GB related.  But since the subject came up any ZeitKnight looking to dev for Zeit?

Just wanted to know if your Zeit client got derailed on a fork, or have a power failure, is there a way to roll back to a known good point via editing the local block index.

[kiklo]

Just wanted to know if your Zeit client got derailed on a fork, or have a power failure, is there a way to roll back to a known good point via editing the local block index.

A restart of the Zeit Wallet and it will reorg to the correct chain.
If the blockchain was corrupted by a power failure and won't restart (ST13 error), then install the ZEIT snapshot as it is always older than the active chain. Or Make a bootstrap from your blk001 file (if it was not corrupted), it is always a little behind the active chain.
Anything more in depth requires a Dev.

 

[LionOfNarnia]

Ray, Kiklo,

Thank you both for such excellent & full answers

Explanations like that give me increased confidence that in the fullness of Zeit, we will reign supreme!

[BritcoinFTW]

(Ray, Kiklo)

Just heard this on Slack...

Guldencoin switched from LTC codebase to BTC codebase with full 0.11 commits – just heard this now
so probably first alt to commit to latest BTC codebase?

How do we stand WRT this, and does it matter?

That's really cool. Our codebase was a ppcoin fork (mint) and now we have our own codebase.
Switching to BTC codebase with all the changes in ppcoin, mintcoin and zeitcoin would be too much work for one developer.

Cheers

Quick scan of them, is that they are using multiple algorithms for PoW mining.
The three algorithms that will be used are Sha 256, Scrypt and X11.
No matter how many different PoW algorithms they pick, PoW is still flawed and will fail in the long run due to increased input costs to produce the coin, or if it does survive controlled only by a corporate or government monopoly. Just a personal opinion, but I will bet that as time passed, it will be proved , that multi algorithms adds increased vulnerability not increased security as they like to claim.
Zeit would still be running a PoW along side PoS, but it was proven that opened up a security concern,
and PoW was dropped as we no longer needed it.

Since BTC & Gulden are PoW, it makes sense for them , following the leader.
Since we are Proof of Stake,  switching to BTC (PoW code base) could cause issues that are incompatible with Zeit's Design. Their way of downloading blocks by only downloading headers, is only possible because the Asics are doing all of the work, and if we followed that it would create a wallet that can't stake.  

All of the PoS only coins will have a different path , more apparent as time goes on.
Our Path will be more profitable & more sustainable.  

 

FYI:
Wow, just checked out their block explorer, their block creation is erratic at best.
They found like 8 blocks in 3 minutes and they did not find another block for 30 minutes.
That is not good , they need to fix that.
  http://inzicht.deguldenmijn.eu/blocks

2nd FYI:
Gulden uses DELTA.
The DELTA readjustment algorithm maximizes the amount of hash power miners have to generate blocks. In doing this, the readjustment algorithm addresses the mining difficulty caused by profit-switching pools.
After what I just saw in their block explorer, it don't work.
ZEIT is stable & faster, maybe they should copy our codebase next.  

Guldencoin is still Scrypt based only , the problem with guldencoin is the community has no miners so it's run on multi pools, it's the one coin that actually has more end users and investors then miners. Before DELTA they we getting 500 min block times and even 1000 minutes once and under 100 blocks a day. Once they switched to DELTA most days the longest blocks are 35-60 minutes maybe once a day and over 300 blocks a day.

I have been following them for a long time and they tried kgw,dgw and digi and DELTA has by far performed the best. At least they are innovating and keeping up with bitcoin, it does mean they are serious and they doing everything on there own. That development team of theres is inhouse, not hired devs.

There is talk of them doing hybrid PoS/ PoW solution which I think will work well because it doesn't put all the power with the coin holders.

[MostlyGhostly]

In the next Wallet update, can you please add "-datadir"?
Its not working for me with current Qt.

This is because QT is broken. I'll jump in again when the mintpal is back.

[kiklo]

Guldencoin is still Scrypt based only , the problem with guldencoin is the community has no miners so it's run on multi pools, it's the one coin that actually has more end users and investors then miners. Before DELTA they we getting 500 min block times and even 1000 minutes once and under 100 blocks a day. Once they switched to DELTA most days the longest blocks are 35-60 minutes maybe once a day and over 300 blocks a day.

I have been following them for a long time and they tried kgw,dgw and digi and DELTA has by far performed the best. At least they are innovating and keeping up with bitcoin, it does mean they are serious and they doing everything on there own. That development team of theres is inhouse, not hired devs.

There is talk of them doing hybrid PoS/ PoW solution which I think will work well because it doesn't put all the power with the coin holders.

Hmm,
Now that you mention it , the block explorer did only list 9 active connections.
I understand that Delta showed massive improvement from your point of view, but it is still broken.
30 minutes is just way too long for single blocks.

If they did add PoS then it could stop those huge gaps of empty block time.
And one of the guys on the Dev Team is MaNi , and he is very familiar with PoS from his time writing the last released Pandacoin wallet, so he could pull it off.
But adding PoS could add this security issue if they keep PoW.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551861.0
(Reason Zeit & Mint dropped PoW completely)

IMO:
Normally would say convert to PoS only, but if they don't have that many active users merged mining is their best shot. Setup Merge mining with Litecoin & Dogecoin give them plenty of miners until their user base grows enough to switch to PoS only.

 

FYI:
In regards to
hybrid PoS/ PoW solution which I think will work well because it doesn't put all the power with the coin holders.
PoW puts power into the hands of people that don't necessary care about the coin's future at all, only the fiat profit it will generate, as they can always dump the last mined coin and just mine another,
Personally prefer that the Zeit PoS owners all have personal and dedicated interest directly into Zeitcoin,
A person will always take better care of something they like verses something they are indifferent too.

2nd FYI:
You are right , they did drop the multi-algo idea.
Below is a quote by MaNi , https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=554412.10440
After looking into it extensively and much internal debate we have decided that multi-algo as it currently stands is flawed from a security perspective.
In that We Agree.   

[kiklo]

ZEIT Blockchain SnapShot & ZEIT BootStrap.dat updated : 8-11-2015

Install Instructions for New Users , with Blockchain Snapshot or BootStrap

Upgrade Instructions for Current Users, with Blockchain Snapshot


 

[john_doe]

Offtopic: Are you guys seeing this message in Cryptopia too? Isn't it a bit unprofessional?

[BitcoinNational]

Show me professional in ALT crypto first then I will tell you

Yeah they screwed up, a very minor detail, so they fixed it by basically granting a 10% discount towards cost of auto listing coins.

Actually professional recourse.  But yes I am wondering how well the servers are backup     

[john_doe]

Show me professional in ALT crypto first then I will tell you

Yeah they screwed up, a very minor detail, so they fixed it by basically granting a 10% discount towards cost of auto listing coins.

Actually professional recourse.  But yes I am wondering how well the servers are backup    

I'm only talking about the message itself. Publicly blaming a data loss on one of your employees (or at least that's what the message leads me to think, as I don't have any idea who "Hex" is) is very unprofessional to say the least. What about calling him a "retard"? I had respect for that exchange, but it's disturbing that the people behind it are acting like children. This is no "minor detail" imho.

[brian_nguyen]

Show me professional in ALT crypto first then I will tell you

Yeah they screwed up, a very minor detail, so they fixed it by basically granting a 10% discount towards cost of auto listing coins.

Actually professional recourse.  But yes I am wondering how well the servers are backup    

I'm only talking about the message itself. Publicly blaming a data loss on one of your employees (or at least that's what the message leads me to think, as I don't have any idea who "Hex" is) is very unprofessional to say the least. What about calling him a "retard"? I had respect for that exchange, but it's disturbing that the people behind it are acting like children. This is no "minor detail" imho.

Hex is one of the owners and he might be calling himself retard with that message and he made up more than his mistake so not an issue IMHO.

[john_doe]

Hex is one of the owners and he might be calling himself retard with that message and he made up more than his mistake so not an issue IMHO.

I see. So it's some kind of inside joke? Not cool for the "outsiders"

[CoinQuest]

My computer shut down because it overheated. Now Zeitcoin wallet won't start giving the following error:

A fatal error occurred. Zeitcoin can no longer continue safely and will quit.

EXCEPTION: St13runtime_error       
CDB(): error opening database environment Corruption: missing start of fragmented record(2)       
zeitcoin in Runaway exception       

[brian_nguyen]

My computer shut down because it overheated. Now Zeitcoin wallet won't start giving the following error:

A fatal error occurred. Zeitcoin can no longer continue safely and will quit.

EXCEPTION: St13runtime_error       
CDB(): error opening database environment Corruption: missing start of fragmented record(2)       
zeitcoin in Runaway exception       

You can start zeitcon-qt.exe /rescan from the command prompt and if that doesn't work delete everything in Appdata\Roaming\Zeitcoin (but keep wallet.dat) and download the snapshot and sync again.

[CoinQuest]

You can start zeitcon-qt.exe /rescan from the command prompt and if that doesn't work delete everything in Appdata\Roaming\Zeitcoin (but keep wallet.dat) and download the snapshot and sync again.

Thanks! I will need the mac terminal command though for the rescan.

[BitcoinNational]

'St13runtime_error'

yeah it aint cool ... (kinda pun-nee)

Before this flavor of stakes can go mainstream issues like that are a hamper.  The base code needs to be more 'robust'.
Sorry it is just that way.  And in time it will clear up.

However I think the barrier to mining early POW coins was a much steeper learning curve than that of the stakes, and having such bars to clear actually helps in the short term. (see BTC before 2014 ... and tell me just how easy it was to setup a hashing rig )

In the meantime, the tech support here is kind enough to help fix most issues.

[Rent_a_Ray]

You can start zeitcon-qt.exe /rescan from the command prompt and if that doesn't work delete everything in Appdata\Roaming\Zeitcoin (but keep wallet.dat) and download the snapshot and sync again.

Thanks! I will need the mac terminal command though for the rescan.

try -salvagewallet.

Cheers

[kiklo]

Offtopic: Are you guys seeing this message in Cryptopia too? Isn't it a bit unprofessional?

LMFAO when I saw it.   

Crypto is a Long Long Game to Play, those that use Humor to lighten stressful times,
will have a better chance of seeing it thru til the mainstream arrives.