Energi [NRG] Cryptocurrency for World Adoption | PoS | MN | No-ICO or Premine |

[josepontoferreira]

NRGBTC
-95% from ATH.
89500sat (2019.06.25)
4188sat (2021.07.02)
Aprox: -95.2%
(source: https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/NRGBTC/?exchange=KUCOIN )

Carefully read what I wrote: I don't lie.

No-ICO or Premine.
That doesn't justify you being able to lie and manipulate.
No-ICO or Premine... and no FUD (different opinions).
But a lot of paid (fake) marketing and fake roadmaps.
People need to know who you really are: wolves dressed as lambs.

[EnergiCrypto]

Your figures are inaccurate, you like to say we are down 95% from ATH (which is incorrect, it is currently 86% according to CoinGecko) and ignore that we are up 481% from our ATL. As has been said by ourselves and others, you are certainly entitled to your opinion but we will not sit back and be attacked for making changes to our roadmap. Many other projects have steered different directions in the past and likely will in the future as sometimes you need to be flexible and react to the environment you are in. We have always said that timeframes are tentative and the roadmap is subject to change, it just seems that you are cherry picking to suit your narrative.
It seems like this conversation is going nowhere and you have your agenda here, we have answered your points and think it is time to draw a line in this conversation. We respectfully ask that if you are so unhappy with our project that you move on and find something that suits your needs.

[josepontoferreira]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/NRGBTC/?exchange=KUCOIN

Although some topics remained to be debated, I feel that what was exposed here is enough to alert potential victims of your tricks.
Of course I will cut any link with your project but on my own terms and not yours... and, of course, after the 5000 confirmations unilaterally decided by the "backbone".

bye.

[Holukai]

Excellent quote that describes why we remove people who attempt to spread lies, misinformation and "cherry picked" information from our communities. Thank you for supplying that.

You like to claim tricks but we have always been forward and honest about making changes to the roadmap. If you choose to ignore that, there is nothing we can do about that.

As to the 5000 confirmations, that was decided by management of the project, which every project has. It has saved people their life savings but I completely understand that you really couldn't care less about anyone but yourself. It is in all of your posts here and on our platforms before you were removed from them. Scammers were hurt with this and actually made our community far safer but that doesn't appear to be in your interest from your posts. I will also add this has been in place for over a year now and a small handful of people don't like it and they have moved on to projects that fit what they are looking for rather than stay back and use it to push their negative outlook.

I am done arguing with you.

EDIT: To fix the end of my post.

[Dragon1748]

Why is Energi so afraid of "negativity"?

The last few posts on here are refreshing to see and you can see the true colours of the community moderators. I feel like this post might get attacked too. Anything that isn't perceived as mindlessly "positive" is immediately censored.

Where's a safe place to engage with the community and ask the more difficult questions? I understand not wanting to deter new users, however there must be a safe space where questions can be asked. I have yet to find that...

Bitcointalk has always been a great place; it's been one of the sources of my information for my crypto journey and helped shine a light on how other people experience various projects. Reading the other posts looks like we might be safe from censorship?

[Holukai]

Why is Energi so afraid of "negativity"?

The last few posts on here are refreshing to see and you can see the true colours of the community moderators. I feel like this post might get attacked too. Anything that isn't perceived as mindlessly "positive" is immediately censored.

Where's a safe place to engage with the community and ask the more difficult questions? I understand not wanting to deter new users, however there must be a safe space where questions can be asked. I have yet to find that...

Bitcointalk has always been a great place; it's been one of the sources of my information for my crypto journey and helped shine a light on how other people experience various projects. Reading the other posts looks like we might be safe from censorship?

Most of us have seen what repeated constant negativity from a person can cause. This isn't just online, it is the same in life as well but you find far more negativity online where people can "hide" behind a fake name. Go check out some servers that allow constant negativity to flourish. Generally the staff gets sick of those people and leave and the project ends up completely neglected. Now as to what you call the "true colors" of the community moderators, why should they allow someone to spread lies, negativity and misinformation? Anyone who believes they can come in and do that stuff needs to find how the real world works. Go to a store and start constantly bad mouthing them and see what happens. At best you get tossed from the store and at worst you get arrested. Why anyone would expect us to put up with that stuff just because they hide behind a fake name is beyond me. That lack of respect is not tolerated anywhere in life.

All of our platforms can be used for discussion but those pushing negativity, misinformation or lies constantly get removed. Why should we accept people doing nothing but spreading negativity while ignoring anything that doesn't fit what they want. Why should we accept people harassing our community? We actually care for our community and do not put up with people who have no purpose other than to try and spread negativity and hate.

Have a great day.

EDIT: Fixed my post and made big changes.

[josepontoferreira]

Why do they react so violently? Fear.
They hide behind "good vibes" and empty words but nothing is forever.

Must read for all Energi fans:

Interesting article:
https://medium.com/@andvgal/cryptocurrency-of-the-3rd-generation-lessons-learned-2f36d18587f

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5244342.msg54348509#msg54348509
(link extracted from article)

I assume the author is known (appears in the photo next to "King"):
https://web.archive.org/web/20190403084808/https://www.energi.world/team/

Finally, Mr. "Holukai": my name is José Ferreira (no photo because i'm a little ugly).

DYOR

[Xhong54]

A very good plan on paper. I hope the implementation will be dope. Team, is that so?

[Dragon1748]

Why is Energi so afraid of "negativity"?

The last few posts on here are refreshing to see and you can see the true colours of the community moderators. I feel like this post might get attacked too. Anything that isn't perceived as mindlessly "positive" is immediately censored.

Where's a safe place to engage with the community and ask the more difficult questions? I understand not wanting to deter new users, however there must be a safe space where questions can be asked. I have yet to find that...

Bitcointalk has always been a great place; it's been one of the sources of my information for my crypto journey and helped shine a light on how other people experience various projects. Reading the other posts looks like we might be safe from censorship?

Most of us have seen what repeated constant negativity from a person can cause. This isn't just online, it is the same in life as well but you find far more negativity online where people can "hide" behind a fake name. Go check out some servers that allow constant negativity to flourish. Generally the staff gets sick of those people and leave and the project ends up completely neglected. Now as to what you call the "true colors" of the community moderators, why should they allow someone to spread lies, negativity and misinformation? Anyone who believes they can come in and do that stuff needs to find how the real world works. Go to a store and start constantly bad mouthing them and see what happens. At best you get tossed from the store and at worst you get arrested. Why anyone would expect us to put up with that stuff just because they hide behind a fake name is beyond me. That lack of respect is not tolerated anywhere in life.

All of our platforms can be used for discussion but those pushing negativity, misinformation or lies constantly get removed. Why should we accept people doing nothing but spreading negativity while ignoring anything that doesn't fit what they want. Why should we accept people harassing our community? We actually care for our community and do not put up with people who have no purpose other than to try and spread negativity and hate.

Have a great day.

EDIT: Fixed my post and made big changes.

The Energi team more than any place has always blocked people asking questions. There's no definition of "negativity" in the community rules and the team is trigger happy with the "FUD" lable.

I have a series of questions that I'll lay out carefully and see what answer I can get. These are issues that are impacting multiples of users. Also a great opportunity to prove and show how NRG is different from any ecosystem that's out there.

[Dragon1748]

Question #1:

Trying to stick to facts of what I experienced and what other users were sharing on Discord.

One of the past white papers lists (I'll try to find a link and another users shared it recently) the use cases of Energi; master nodes (MN) being one of them. MN are there to help secure the network, provider a layer 2, and a method for users to invest. In return for locking away collateral you gain a share of the reward. Jumping over a few details and most of you here know that; mainly setting the scene for my question.

Back in October of 2020 there was a chain split that varied from the many other chain splits at the time. It varied in intensity, duration and severity; ultimately knocking out MN rewards for about 3+ weeks. The NRG team has made claims on Discord that they plan to calculate and track the MN rewards owed. The rewards are a challenge to calculate with users shifting collateral from MN to staking to maintain a flow of rewards. I personally shifted collateral and kept 1k in my MN to help the network. Still need something to help pay for my VPS.

I've searched for any other content on the internet and really can't find any tangible updates. One user on Reddit asked and got pointed towards the Telegram updates channel; the last mention was in early November of 2020.

Questioning prioritization on developments won't be welcomed and I fully understand there are more important items in the pipeline that aren't ready to be publicly shared. Standard DevOps approach to people asking questions.

Where do we stand in getting the MN rewards "paid out" from October 2020? What can give us a good sense of comfort that future chain splits wont disrupt the rewards system?

[Blackstone1]

Question #1:

Trying to stick to facts of what I experienced and what other users were sharing on Discord.

One of the past white papers lists (I'll try to find a link and another users shared it recently) the use cases of Energi; master nodes (MN) being one of them. MN are there to help secure the network, provider a layer 2, and a method for users to invest. In return for locking away collateral you gain a share of the reward. Jumping over a few details and most of you here know that; mainly setting the scene for my question.

Back in October of 2020 there was a chain split that varied from the many other chain splits at the time. It varied in intensity, duration and severity; ultimately knocking out MN rewards for about 3+ weeks. The NRG team has made claims on Discord that they plan to calculate and track the MN rewards owed. The rewards are a challenge to calculate with users shifting collateral from MN to staking to maintain a flow of rewards. I personally shifted collateral and kept 1k in my MN to help the network. Still need something to help pay for my VPS.

I've searched for any other content on the internet and really can't find any tangible updates. One user on Reddit asked and got pointed towards the Telegram updates channel; the last mention was in early November of 2020.

Questioning prioritization on developments won't be welcomed and I fully understand there are more important items in the pipeline that aren't ready to be publicly shared. Standard DevOps approach to people asking questions.

Where do we stand in getting the MN rewards "paid out" from October 2020? What can give us a good sense of comfort that future chain splits wont disrupt the rewards system?

"Where do we stand in getting the MN rewards "paid out" from October 2020?"

Posted in Discord: https://discord.com/channels/398355554172534805/698597238393536533/772949772369789009

MASTERNODE PAYMENTS UPDATE :

While we are working on resolving some technical issues on the Energi network, we would like to update our users about the status of these issues. We are working hard to restore stability and proper functionality to the blockchain, that is our top priority. Within that, we are currently focused on restoring the functionality of the masternode system, including the resumption of masternode rewards.

For the masternode rewards which have been missed during this time period, we are able to identify which masternodes are online (as the data of when they go online and offline is recorded on the blockchain), and will make an attempt to recover these funds and pay them correctly to the masternodes which remained online during this time period.

Be aware that our priority remains on fixing the technical issues and preventing any future problems. Once we have ensured we have resolved these technical issues, we will look at what can be done to recover masternode funds though this a lower priority item and will likely take at least a few months to complete to ensure it’s done correctly. Nonetheless, this should be well received by masternode holders that there is a good chance they will eventually receive their rewards at some point in the future. Thank you for your support and please stay tuned for any future updates.

"What can give us a good sense of comfort that future chain splits wont disrupt the rewards system?"

"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

Benjamin Franklin

Here the word that stands out to me is "comfort" as it is hard to determine what each users comfort level is. The 3.1 release will address the difficulty issues that ultimately causes the chainsplits to happen.

All our team can do is guarantee they will do everything possible to ensure this isn't an issue after 3.1 is released.

When dealing with and creating new technology (like a smart contract platform with our security, staking, MNs etc) there is bound to be some bugs. This is why there is a bug bounty program for most projects and very few things are released anywhere without updates/fixes in the future.

[Dragon1748]

Question #1:

Trying to stick to facts of what I experienced and what other users were sharing on Discord.

One of the past white papers lists (I'll try to find a link and another users shared it recently) the use cases of Energi; master nodes (MN) being one of them. MN are there to help secure the network, provider a layer 2, and a method for users to invest. In return for locking away collateral you gain a share of the reward. Jumping over a few details and most of you here know that; mainly setting the scene for my question.

Back in October of 2020 there was a chain split that varied from the many other chain splits at the time. It varied in intensity, duration and severity; ultimately knocking out MN rewards for about 3+ weeks. The NRG team has made claims on Discord that they plan to calculate and track the MN rewards owed. The rewards are a challenge to calculate with users shifting collateral from MN to staking to maintain a flow of rewards. I personally shifted collateral and kept 1k in my MN to help the network. Still need something to help pay for my VPS.

I've searched for any other content on the internet and really can't find any tangible updates. One user on Reddit asked and got pointed towards the Telegram updates channel; the last mention was in early November of 2020.

Questioning prioritization on developments won't be welcomed and I fully understand there are more important items in the pipeline that aren't ready to be publicly shared. Standard DevOps approach to people asking questions.

Where do we stand in getting the MN rewards "paid out" from October 2020? What can give us a good sense of comfort that future chain splits wont disrupt the rewards system?

"Where do we stand in getting the MN rewards "paid out" from October 2020?"

Posted in Discord: https://discord.com/channels/398355554172534805/698597238393536533/772949772369789009

MASTERNODE PAYMENTS UPDATE :

While we are working on resolving some technical issues on the Energi network, we would like to update our users about the status of these issues. We are working hard to restore stability and proper functionality to the blockchain, that is our top priority. Within that, we are currently focused on restoring the functionality of the masternode system, including the resumption of masternode rewards.

For the masternode rewards which have been missed during this time period, we are able to identify which masternodes are online (as the data of when they go online and offline is recorded on the blockchain), and will make an attempt to recover these funds and pay them correctly to the masternodes which remained online during this time period.

Be aware that our priority remains on fixing the technical issues and preventing any future problems. Once we have ensured we have resolved these technical issues, we will look at what can be done to recover masternode funds though this a lower priority item and will likely take at least a few months to complete to ensure it’s done correctly. Nonetheless, this should be well received by masternode holders that there is a good chance they will eventually receive their rewards at some point in the future. Thank you for your support and please stay tuned for any future updates.

"What can give us a good sense of comfort that future chain splits wont disrupt the rewards system?"

"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

Benjamin Franklin

Here the word that stands out to me is "comfort" as it is hard to determine what each users comfort level is. The 3.1 release will address the difficulty issues that ultimately causes the chainsplits to happen.

All our team can do is guarantee they will do everything possible to ensure this isn't an issue after 3.1 is released.

When dealing with and creating new technology (like a smart contract platform with our security, staking, MNs etc) there is bound to be some bugs. This is why there is a bug bounty program for most projects and very few things are released anywhere without updates/fixes in the future.

Appreciate the information!

Any transparency on timing? The MN rewards issue was back from October and your message doesn't allude to any timeline. Not looking for promises but a general sense of direction. I'm sure plenty of work has been done in the background.

The core update for Energi v3 of 3.1 was also discussed some point last year with the hope of "fixing" all the chain splits. Any transparency on timing there too?

Good opportunity to demonstrate how awesome the team is at solving problems, to give people a sense of "comfort". My definition would be to know that I can leave my node alone for weeks at a time without getting nervous I might need to intervene; chain splits, reannouncing, unlocking my address to stake or redownloading the bootstrap. For me the true challenge is I can be days away from a computer and logging into a vps from mobile is something I've yet to figure out.

[Dragon1748]

Why do they react so violently? Fear.
They hide behind "good vibes" and empty words but nothing is forever.

Must read for all Energi fans:

Interesting article:
https://medium.com/@andvgal/cryptocurrency-of-the-3rd-generation-lessons-learned-2f36d18587f

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5244342.msg54348509#msg54348509
(link extracted from article)

I assume the author is known (appears in the photo next to "King"):
https://web.archive.org/web/20190403084808/https://www.energi.world/team/

Finally, Mr. "Holukai": my name is José Ferreira (no photo because i'm a little ugly).

DYOR

Thanks for resharing the link to the medium article and direct link to the messages in this board. Not many people would look back at all the pages. I've read it once before and refreshed today again.

Feel like the team wants to create as much space as possible with the content there in. However all the technical highlights could be haunting them today. It 'appears' there are several reasons chain splits might occur. Hard to predict which one might have impacted a given chainsplit.

Worth a read if you want to learn more about the history of the project.

[Blackstone1]

Question #1:

Trying to stick to facts of what I experienced and what other users were sharing on Discord.

One of the past white papers lists (I'll try to find a link and another users shared it recently) the use cases of Energi; master nodes (MN) being one of them. MN are there to help secure the network, provider a layer 2, and a method for users to invest. In return for locking away collateral you gain a share of the reward. Jumping over a few details and most of you here know that; mainly setting the scene for my question.

Back in October of 2020 there was a chain split that varied from the many other chain splits at the time. It varied in intensity, duration and severity; ultimately knocking out MN rewards for about 3+ weeks. The NRG team has made claims on Discord that they plan to calculate and track the MN rewards owed. The rewards are a challenge to calculate with users shifting collateral from MN to staking to maintain a flow of rewards. I personally shifted collateral and kept 1k in my MN to help the network. Still need something to help pay for my VPS.

I've searched for any other content on the internet and really can't find any tangible updates. One user on Reddit asked and got pointed towards the Telegram updates channel; the last mention was in early November of 2020.

Questioning prioritization on developments won't be welcomed and I fully understand there are more important items in the pipeline that aren't ready to be publicly shared. Standard DevOps approach to people asking questions.

Where do we stand in getting the MN rewards "paid out" from October 2020? What can give us a good sense of comfort that future chain splits wont disrupt the rewards system?

"Where do we stand in getting the MN rewards "paid out" from October 2020?"

Posted in Discord: https://discord.com/channels/398355554172534805/698597238393536533/772949772369789009

MASTERNODE PAYMENTS UPDATE :

While we are working on resolving some technical issues on the Energi network, we would like to update our users about the status of these issues. We are working hard to restore stability and proper functionality to the blockchain, that is our top priority. Within that, we are currently focused on restoring the functionality of the masternode system, including the resumption of masternode rewards.

For the masternode rewards which have been missed during this time period, we are able to identify which masternodes are online (as the data of when they go online and offline is recorded on the blockchain), and will make an attempt to recover these funds and pay them correctly to the masternodes which remained online during this time period.

Be aware that our priority remains on fixing the technical issues and preventing any future problems. Once we have ensured we have resolved these technical issues, we will look at what can be done to recover masternode funds though this a lower priority item and will likely take at least a few months to complete to ensure it’s done correctly. Nonetheless, this should be well received by masternode holders that there is a good chance they will eventually receive their rewards at some point in the future. Thank you for your support and please stay tuned for any future updates.

"What can give us a good sense of comfort that future chain splits wont disrupt the rewards system?"

"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

Benjamin Franklin

Here the word that stands out to me is "comfort" as it is hard to determine what each users comfort level is. The 3.1 release will address the difficulty issues that ultimately causes the chainsplits to happen.

All our team can do is guarantee they will do everything possible to ensure this isn't an issue after 3.1 is released.

When dealing with and creating new technology (like a smart contract platform with our security, staking, MNs etc) there is bound to be some bugs. This is why there is a bug bounty program for most projects and very few things are released anywhere without updates/fixes in the future.

Appreciate the information!

Any transparency on timing? The MN rewards issue was back from October and your message doesn't allude to any timeline. Not looking for promises but a general sense of direction. I'm sure plenty of work has been done in the background.

The core update for Energi v3 of 3.1 was also discussed some point last year with the hope of "fixing" all the chain splits. Any transparency on timing there too?

Good opportunity to demonstrate how awesome the team is at solving problems, to give people a sense of "comfort". My definition would be to know that I can leave my node alone for weeks at a time without getting nervous I might need to intervene; chain splits, reannouncing, unlocking my address to stake or redownloading the bootstrap. For me the true challenge is I can be days away from a computer and logging into a vps from mobile is something I've yet to figure out.

As you are aware, we do not set deadlines and only use tentative times when possible. Deadlines move the priority from quality, to a timeline, and we would rather ensure the team has the time needed to release quality products.

Unfortunately, the 3.1 update doesn’t have a tentative time due to the amount and type of work involved.

The missing rewards will be looked into after the 3.1 release so there is no timeline for that currently.

More information will be released as it becomes available.

[Dragon1748]

Question #1:

Trying to stick to facts of what I experienced and what other users were sharing on Discord.

One of the past white papers lists (I'll try to find a link and another users shared it recently) the use cases of Energi; master nodes (MN) being one of them. MN are there to help secure the network, provider a layer 2, and a method for users to invest. In return for locking away collateral you gain a share of the reward. Jumping over a few details and most of you here know that; mainly setting the scene for my question.

Back in October of 2020 there was a chain split that varied from the many other chain splits at the time. It varied in intensity, duration and severity; ultimately knocking out MN rewards for about 3+ weeks. The NRG team has made claims on Discord that they plan to calculate and track the MN rewards owed. The rewards are a challenge to calculate with users shifting collateral from MN to staking to maintain a flow of rewards. I personally shifted collateral and kept 1k in my MN to help the network. Still need something to help pay for my VPS.

I've searched for any other content on the internet and really can't find any tangible updates. One user on Reddit asked and got pointed towards the Telegram updates channel; the last mention was in early November of 2020.

Questioning prioritization on developments won't be welcomed and I fully understand there are more important items in the pipeline that aren't ready to be publicly shared. Standard DevOps approach to people asking questions.

Where do we stand in getting the MN rewards "paid out" from October 2020? What can give us a good sense of comfort that future chain splits wont disrupt the rewards system?

"Where do we stand in getting the MN rewards "paid out" from October 2020?"

Posted in Discord: https://discord.com/channels/398355554172534805/698597238393536533/772949772369789009

MASTERNODE PAYMENTS UPDATE :

While we are working on resolving some technical issues on the Energi network, we would like to update our users about the status of these issues. We are working hard to restore stability and proper functionality to the blockchain, that is our top priority. Within that, we are currently focused on restoring the functionality of the masternode system, including the resumption of masternode rewards.

For the masternode rewards which have been missed during this time period, we are able to identify which masternodes are online (as the data of when they go online and offline is recorded on the blockchain), and will make an attempt to recover these funds and pay them correctly to the masternodes which remained online during this time period.

Be aware that our priority remains on fixing the technical issues and preventing any future problems. Once we have ensured we have resolved these technical issues, we will look at what can be done to recover masternode funds though this a lower priority item and will likely take at least a few months to complete to ensure it’s done correctly. Nonetheless, this should be well received by masternode holders that there is a good chance they will eventually receive their rewards at some point in the future. Thank you for your support and please stay tuned for any future updates.

"What can give us a good sense of comfort that future chain splits wont disrupt the rewards system?"

"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

Benjamin Franklin

Here the word that stands out to me is "comfort" as it is hard to determine what each users comfort level is. The 3.1 release will address the difficulty issues that ultimately causes the chainsplits to happen.

All our team can do is guarantee they will do everything possible to ensure this isn't an issue after 3.1 is released.

When dealing with and creating new technology (like a smart contract platform with our security, staking, MNs etc) there is bound to be some bugs. This is why there is a bug bounty program for most projects and very few things are released anywhere without updates/fixes in the future.

Appreciate the information!

Any transparency on timing? The MN rewards issue was back from October and your message doesn't allude to any timeline. Not looking for promises but a general sense of direction. I'm sure plenty of work has been done in the background.

The core update for Energi v3 of 3.1 was also discussed some point last year with the hope of "fixing" all the chain splits. Any transparency on timing there too?

Good opportunity to demonstrate how awesome the team is at solving problems, to give people a sense of "comfort". My definition would be to know that I can leave my node alone for weeks at a time without getting nervous I might need to intervene; chain splits, reannouncing, unlocking my address to stake or redownloading the bootstrap. For me the true challenge is I can be days away from a computer and logging into a vps from mobile is something I've yet to figure out.

As you are aware, we do not set deadlines and only use tentative times when possible. Deadlines move the priority from quality, to a timeline, and we would rather ensure the team has the time needed to release quality products.

Unfortunately, the 3.1 update doesn’t have a tentative time due to the amount and type of work involved.

The missing rewards will be looked into after the 3.1 release so there is no timeline for that currently.

More information will be released as it becomes available.

To the everyday NRG user/investor this reads as:

The Energi team has no plans of paying lost master node rewards anytime soon. Paying out lost master node rewards will only be looked at when the team has time to fix network stability which also has no plans.

[/i]

I think my main concern is the flow of information regarding these two topics. Updates are rare (my opinion) and feel like we always have to ask on the many social platforms. Support is generally amazing and I'm sure the team wouldn't appreciate getting tickets asking for updates on open issues. How can a fellow member of your ecosystem feel valued when discord is not a safe space to ask questions? There must be space where users can ask about network stability and what the release schedule looks like for 3.1; the ultimate fix. I'm sure this will trigger what you call "negativity"(?).

Your last response is promoting uncertainty. All in all a fantastic opportunity to show that your master node holders will be taken care off. Generally speaking, most MN holders can survive 3+ weeks without rewards; however it would be nice to have our voices heard. Too much?

[josepontoferreira]

- With so many different roadmaps it is not possible to believe that the current roadmap will be respected.
- A team that cannot present deadlines for corrections or new features in its project is because it does not know its code and is in a maze with no way out.
- One million coins are produced every month and the demand is none. After all what practical use the NRG coin has other than accumulating more by staking or in a masternode. There is no payment system or Dapps ecosystem. There is nothing really useful or practical. There is no added value. It's a ghost blockchain.
- I wouldn't be surprised if a proposal for Masternodes with 1,000,000 coins is soon presented (and approved) since the vast majority of the coins are concentrated in the team and in an exchange. For this type of "whales" 100,000 coins per masternode is too little with so many coins being created every month.
- In practice, the system is completely centralized in one person. It is almost a "messiah" and an embattled religion in which the culture promoted is fanaticism through followers who have abdicated self-criticism and self-thinking. The masternodes don't govern anything. Even if masternodes were important for ecosystem governance the result would be the same as the vast majority of masternodes belong to the team.
- It's ridiculous to compare with ethereum when you can't trust the system due to repeated chainsplits and lack of commitment to solving the very serious problem. Also, won't there be some assets in the energiswap that only have thin air as collateral? It's not an accusation, just a legitimate question.
- The many paid marketing campaigns are just to try to bring more people and their money to feed a dying machine. You can manipulate the price as you like (I'm not saying you do but you have the tools to do it) but I see a scheme without fundamentals that is about to collapse.
- The team, starting with its leader, should be humble and honest with the community that has always supported the project and supporting is not just saying "yes". Support is to point out what is wrong and alternative directions that can be discussed and voted on. But after everything I've seen I confess that I don't know if the intentions of the people who manage the project are good (it's my personal opinion).
- Many promises and many disappointments. What the team gives to the community is just a handful of nothing. Too many red flags.

[SPjiN_Sean]

Dragon1748, all your posts seem to boil down to one thing - you want a definite time and we won't give one.

You feel that you have to go to all these different places to try to get an answer. No you don't have to - just read the answer we gave you, many times.

When Energi was first created, it was stated that it is an experimental project and that as we lead the crypto-space we will be creating something that has never been done before. There will be bumps along the way and we will do our best to focus on providing a quality product rather than adhering to arbitrary deadlines.

Your continued efforts to get us to set a deadline will not work, That approach goes against one of the core values of Energi.

It really seems like your expectations do not fit with our project. In all seriousness, why are you still here? There are thousands of projects out there, find one that suits you rather than trying to change this one to suit you.

[SPjiN_Sean]

josepontoferreira I'm not sure where to start here, you take everything and turn it around to the point that it's just lies.

"With so many different roadmaps it is not possible to believe that the current roadmap will be respected."
The roadmap is not carved in stone - it changes as we adapt and change to compete in the most changing landscape there is. The roadmap reflects our current plan.

"- A team that cannot present deadlines for corrections or new features in its project is because it does not know its code and is in a maze with no way out."
Clearly, if you believed this then you never should have joined Energi to begin with - we stated at the start that we do not do deadlines - if this does not suit you, then find a project that does.

I won't continue through your insults because that is what they are - clearly your expectations do not fit with our project, move on to something that suits you better

Just one thing in closing:
"- Many promises and many disappointments. What the team gives to the community is just a handful of nothing. Too many red flags."
For a project that had no ICO, no VCs and no premine and yet gave away MILLIONS of dollars in our earndrop rounds ... and that accounts to nothing in your book? I'm speechless. I completely understand why you were banned from spreading these insults on discord.

[mgtowcoin]

Man you guys really do go on and on and on... do you even read what is actually being said (not what you're projecting)? 

People have been asking these questions on discord. They're not being banned. There are different channels where we can ask all these questions. Sometimes we just have to wait. How often do you want to see updates like "We don't have an update for you today."...?

You can't create EnergiSwap collateral out of thin air... all the transactions are recorded on the blockchain. We can all see the corresponding amounts on Ethereum too. btw there are pinned posts on discord to the actual addresses on etherscan...   

You're making all these wild accusations and statements and then saying they are just your opinion... why are you spending soooo much time here? idk Maybe you're hoping for the best. Doesn't sounds like it but maybe there is something inside you that's telling you that maybe you're totally wrong and many of the things you hoped for will come to pass and you just needed to vent a bit. And you're a bit impatient. Frankly speaking you do remind me of a friend from high school who is always angry and ranting about anything and everything. And even when he's wrong he'll find another reason to keep being angry. Please take some time away from BTT and crypto for a few days. For your health. Not patronizing here.

Maybe use this same energy to do research into other projects and doing T.A. (Hopefully you're already doing this and not wasting all your time and energy here) I think you might be a lot happier. And then come back in 6 months - one year to see what's changed with Energi.

Who knows? Maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised or you'll find more things to rant about. 

[Dragon1748]

Dragon1748, all your posts seem to boil down to one thing - you want a definite time and we won't give one.

You feel that you have to go to all these different places to try to get an answer. No you don't have to - just read the answer we gave you, many times.

When Energi was first created, it was stated that it is an experimental project and that as we lead the crypto-space we will be creating something that has never been done before. There will be bumps along the way and we will do our best to focus on providing a quality product rather than adhering to arbitrary deadlines.

Your continued efforts to get us to set a deadline will not work, That approach goes against one of the core values of Energi.

It really seems like your expectations do not fit with our project. In all seriousness, why are you still here? There are thousands of projects out there, find one that suits you rather than trying to change this one to suit you.

Well if two Energi community moderators say the same thing I can respect that. Thank you.

A timeline would be a nice to have. However efforts always shift in a given operation and accountability would be limited with a moving target when challenges arise I can understand that. Even if a timeline was given, even for example a roadmap, I'm sure people would react in certain ways if it said Q3 of 2022. The last time I asked this question would have been March/April in Discord before I got banned for asking questions. Just to be fair, I'm happy with the response you have given, however it's not a solution.

Is it okay to ask for an update in several months or so to see if the team has made progress? The only announcement I could find was from 2nd Novembre, 2020 and waiting 8 months to ask is reasonable.

Just to be clear; I do not care about a timeline and that would only be self serving with no gains. I'm more concerned about the community and their missing master node rewards; whomever they might be.