SCAM: MinexPay crypto debit card by minexpay.com / Minexcoin

[xtraelv]

I was baned for seven days....most of my posts have been deleted by administrator on the main topic....90% of my posts were evidence and facts related to the topic...killing truth and censorship will not help them

They were trying hard to to get you permabanned https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088688.msg49002190#msg49002190

thanks for info ....I'm bad with writing English...I hope that I have explained well and comprehensively there all my reasons

@thanks JollyGood

It is likely that most of the deleted posts are for consecutive posting. (My guess)

It is against the forum rules to make more than one post consecutively in a thread.
If you want to add more to the thread and no-one else has made a post yet since your previous post then just edit your previous post and add the comments.

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[JollyGood]

Problem is far deeper than that. Minexpay/Chain2pay did multiple law and regulation violations :

- made a deal (illegal) with UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS to present theirs customers as UAB Kristolinis Dugnas empoyees

- made a deal (illegal) with UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS to provide false residence documents to theirs non-EEA customers,without it they could not get Upaycards

- made a deal (illegal) with UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS to get full access to its Upaycard business account

It is not only against Upaycard and Mastercard regulations,but against financial laws itself.  When this little scheme be discovered it will awfully look like a money laundering to the authorities.

I dont think so that Minexpay and UAB KS really fully understood seriousness of consequences of theirs acts.

Yes I know that, you know that even the Minex scammers know it along with their inner circle scammer alliance consisting of Temhuk and Racquemis1 along with paid trolls such as Jedgar,  yurez83, akira128 and others.

Sadly the problem is most investors do not know about this scam.

The first they will know is if they are active in this forum or when their cards are cancelled or when their ID is used in illegal ways against their consent.

[xtraelv]

I suspect what has happened with Minexcoin: (My opinion from what I have read)

1) They didn't intend to scam from the outset. It probably was a genuine project.
2) They tried to raise funds and didn't meet the target.
3) They tried to meet the development targets.
4) Things turned out harder and more expensive to make, while the funds they raised in crypto became worth less.
5) Skilled people left the project
6) Banks are making it difficult for any Crypto project to get access to fiat banking services.
7) The project came under extreme pressure to meet targets while the market cap was reducing.
8] An attempt was made to obtain card services of sorts to at least stop some of the criticism.
9) The failed attempt to obtain card services makes the project look more dodgy.


At the end of the day - the credit cards appear that they not obtained through a legitimate channel. (From a card issuer according to their terms)

People lost substantial amounts of money.

No real progress appears to have been made.

I also noticed that all the photos I have seen appear to be posed. I don't know many companies that have posters on stands in their offices identifying it with their brand. It make me think the offices may have been a short term rental or temporary offices as part of a crypto conference.

[Bgbolahan]

I suspect what has happened with Minexcoin: (My opinion from what I have read)

1) They didn't intend to scam from the outset. It probably was a genuine project.
2) They tried to raise funds and didn't meet the target.
3) They tried to meet the development targets.
4) Things turned out harder and more expensive to make, while the funds they raised in crypto became worth less.
5) Skilled people left the project
6) Banks are making it difficult for any Crypto project to get access to fiat banking services.
7) The project came under extreme pressure to meet targets while the market cap was reducing.
8] An attempt was made to obtain card services of sorts to at least stop some of the criticism.
9) The failed attempt to obtain card services makes the project look more dodgy.


At the end of the day - the credit cards appear that they not obtained through a legitimate channel. (From a card issuer according to their terms)

People lost substantial amounts of money.

No real progress appears to have been made.

I also noticed that all the photos I have seen appear to be posed. I don't know many companies that have posters on stands in their offices identifying it with their brand. It make me think the offices may have been a short term rental or temporary offices as part of a crypto conference.

https://i.imgur.com/ARDShrF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZNyP3YX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/A9vodIn.jpg

I concur with your opinion but people are here shouting scam which can't really help at all

[JollyGood]

It is likely that most of the deleted posts are for consecutive posting. (My guess)

It is against the forum rules to make more than one post consecutively in a thread.
If you want to add more to the thread and no-one else has made a post yet since your previous post then just edit your previous post and add the comments.

EDIT:

Forum rules
Common rule violations resulting in deletion and/or ban

They ganged together to report his posts en-mass in the hope to get him banned. All mr.pacy.mf did was to throw back the same comments at temhuk as what temhuk said to me and several others including towards mr.pacy.mf

[JollyGood]

Great news!

MinexSystems has started shipping the globally accepted cards ordered via MinexPay service. Find out more details in the recent blog post:

https://medium.com/@minecoinorg/first-cards-shipped-by-minexsystems-9646b4491d05

You have to read this to believe it..... The title from Minexcoin saying "Great News" is nothing of the sort.

Take a closer look at the Medium release. It does not mention "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" and it does not explain why the cards will not be in the name of the "customer" who sent in his ID such as passport, drivers licence and bank statements.

The Medium release does not explain what relationship "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" (the company that all non-Minexpay branded cards are in the name of) has with Minexpay/Minexcoin/Minexsystem or Chain2Pay or Borys

Minexcoin account earlier wrote "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" was an affiliate of Minexpay. The scammer website terms and conditions make no mention of "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS". It mentions Chain2Pay and says it is not responsible for the card. Strange.

The key words "affiliate", "chain2pay", "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" do not appear in the scammer Medium release.

The Medium release mentions 45% parking rates but their desperation is obvious as they try to gain new gullible customers.

[vlom]

I concur with your opinion but people are here shouting scam which can't really help at all

read the op.

News:
Now they are sending cards. See at the end of this post.
But

Quote from: TeMHuK on January 02, 2019, 06:22:26 PM

That is business type card. You don't need to provide ID in store for such type of cards.


Summary

There are three options summarized.
1. They try to scam and do so in a very stupid way.
2. They are just too stupid and too naive to keep their promises.
3. They pretend to be stupid to cover up

[thunderjet]

Great news!

MinexSystems has started shipping the globally accepted cards ordered via MinexPay service. Find out more details in the recent blog post:

https://medium.com/@minecoinorg/first-cards-shipped-by-minexsystems-9646b4491d05

You have to read this to believe it..... The title from Minexcoin saying "Great News" is nothing of the sort.

Take a closer look at the Medium release. It does not mention "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" and it does not explain why the cards will not be in the name of the "customer" who sent in his ID such as passport, drivers licence and bank statements.

The Medium release does not explain what relationship "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" (the company that all non-Minexpay branded cards are in the name of) has with Minexpay/Minexcoin/Minexsystem or Chain2Pay or Borys

Minexcoin account earlier wrote "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" was an affiliate of Minexpay. The scammer website terms and conditions make no mention of "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS". It mentions Chain2Pay and says it is not responsible for the card. Strange.

The key words "affiliate", "chain2pay", "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" do not appear in the scammer Medium release.

The Medium release mentions 45% parking rates but their desperation is obvious as they try to gain new gullible customers.

Minex last medium post only confirmed what I said earlier - Minex went rogue completely. They simple do not care any more for laws and regulations at all.

It also confirmed too that Boris and his team are unscrupulous but not so smart. They are stupidly go where no one company gone before  

Illegally using UAB Kristolinis Dugnas account on Upaycard,they didnt break just Mastercard and Upaycard regulations but AML laws.

Using other(shell) company account as cover for a third company is a definition of money laundering.

https://www.gfintegrity.org/issue/anonymous-companies/

[BurnHashBurnCash]

Great news!

MinexSystems has started shipping the globally accepted cards ordered via MinexPay service. Find out more details in the recent blog post:

https://medium.com/@minecoinorg/first-cards-shipped-by-minexsystems-9646b4491d05

You have to read this to believe it..... The title from Minexcoin saying "Great News" is nothing of the sort.

Take a closer look at the Medium release. It does not mention "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" and it does not explain why the cards will not be in the name of the "customer" who sent in his ID such as passport, drivers licence and bank statements.

The Medium release does not explain what relationship "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" (the company that all non-Minexpay branded cards are in the name of) has with Minexpay/Minexcoin/Minexsystem or Chain2Pay or Borys

Minexcoin account earlier wrote "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" was an affiliate of Minexpay. The scammer website terms and conditions make no mention of "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS". It mentions Chain2Pay and says it is not responsible for the card. Strange.

The key words "affiliate", "chain2pay", "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" do not appear in the scammer Medium release.

The Medium release mentions 45% parking rates but their desperation is obvious as they try to gain new gullible customers.

Minex last medium post only confirmed what I said earlier - Minex went rogue completely. They simple do not care any more for laws and regulations at all.

It also confirmed too that Boris and his team are unscrupulous but not so smart. They are stupidly go where no one company gone before  

Illegally using UAB Kristolinis Dugnas account on Upaycard,they didnt break just Mastercard and Upaycard regulations but AML laws.

Using other(shell) company account as cover for a third company is a definition of money laundering.

https://www.gfintegrity.org/issue/anonymous-companies/

YESSIR
and the atm machine where they made their "test" was owned by ING bank which is sued for money laundry since september
 

[xtraelv]

I concur with your opinion but people are here shouting scam which can't really help at all

read the op.

News:
Now they are sending cards. See at the end of this post.
But

Quote from: TeMHuK on January 02, 2019, 06:22:26 PM

That is business type card. You don't need to provide ID in store for such type of cards.


Summary

There are three options summarized.
1. They try to scam and do so in a very stupid way.
2. They are just too stupid and too naive to keep their promises.
3. They pretend to be stupid to cover up

In my opinion the summary of the credit card debacle is this:

1) They attempted to set up a bank and become an issuer but don't have the skills to do so. The existing banks, central banks and AML legislation and international agreements make it hard for crypto startups to link into fiat facilities.

2) They set up an indirect way to enable cards:

- Used an "associated" company "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" to allpy as a consumer for a common prepaid credit card (fiat only) scheme with an unrelated company "Upaycard" to provide a rechargable gift card for their "employees"
- Used an "associated" company "Chain2Pay"to exchange the crypto for fiat to fund the prepaid credit cards.

My understanding is that:
It is effectively a rechargable gift card where "Chain2Pay" sells the crypto held by the user and sends fiat to "UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS" to pay the "Upaycard" balance.

It is a far stretch from being a "Minex" credit card.

[thunderjet]

I concur with your opinion but people are here shouting scam which can't really help at all

read the op.

News:
Now they are sending cards. See at the end of this post.
But

Quote from: TeMHuK on January 02, 2019, 06:22:26 PM

That is business type card. You don't need to provide ID in store for such type of cards.


Summary

There are three options summarized.
1. They try to scam and do so in a very stupid way.
2. They are just too stupid and too naive to keep their promises.
3. They pretend to be stupid to cover up

I think it is some weird combination of 1 and 3.

If we come from a start,we can see how Boris gave grandiose promises:

- low volatility coin with price keeping in range +-5%
- how MNX coin will have 84.88% USD price growth in 2018 
- that MNX will rise to $55000 in a few years with market cap over 1 trillion dollars
- how MNX will become reknown payment option in the world
- realisation of numerous project from quite extensive whitelist


On the other side nothing of these promises were achieved.The fact is :

- low volatility coin fell from $56 to $0.5 or about 99%
- Minexbank didnt make single intervention on market to try keeping promises of +-5% price range
- 70% parking rate was total failure - it has just brought hyperinfaltion in the system
- whitelist remained completely unrealized



I think he genuinely thought how his goals can be achieved ,despite it was obvious how it is unrealistic.He thought that his concept of ICO is far superior and how it will create enough wealth to satisfy his and investors wishes.That was plan A.

But.... faced with harsh bear market and his plans severe deficiencies,after few months he saw that plan A is not possible any more. Quickly and without any notice to investors he changed course to plan B - use remained money to make more money for him and leave investors in the state of blessed ignorance.He did next things:


- hired professional troll crew to make hype about project to attract more gullible people and to make agressive attacks on anyone who complained

- didnt make not a single promised intervention on market and left MNX coin to its destiny,which brought free fall to it

- keep dumping premined coins to drain every dollar from market and made InstaBuy to make whole process easier

- abandon realisation of whitelist and diverted money in the program of developping AR and VR projects for gaming industry. These projects was not in the whitelist at all and have not any connections with crypto industry.Investors could not have any use of them ,because it was private Boris alternative projects with a goal to bring him enough money and succeed in where plan A failed.



What happenned? It proved that AR and VR project are not so easy for realisation and the cost of them is much bigger than expected.He needed more money but a Minex project was heading to complete collapse.He needed something cheap which can push up MNX coin up ,helping him to drain enough money to finish AR and VR projects.Then we got a new mega promise of realisation VISA related payment card program with worldwide card distribution.

But Boris didnt know that realisation of such ambitious payment card program is extremely difficult.It became his hallmark - going into new projects based only on his wishes,without any deeper planning and understanding of project itself.So, it turned into nightmare.He could not realized it on a legal way,but he needed it desperately to keep Minex afloat.Without it,it would be not enough money to finish his AR and VR projects.Time passed and he decided to realize payment card program without any regard on laws and regulations.He tried to find someone who can realize it quickly, avoiding regulations and laws. He founded a guy from Novarise Secrecy but it turned he is professional scammer.Finally, he founded a guy in Lithuania willing to join him in his illegal endevaour and to provide him shell company and account to cover its tracks. Unfortunately,as before,he didnt want to see that consequences of it can be much more disastruos than ever before,because he cant send his professional trolls on the authorities when they started to ask very unpleasant questions about avoiding money laundering laws.     

[JollyGood]

Minex last medium post only confirmed what I said earlier - Minex went rogue completely. They simple do not care any more for laws and regulations at all.

It also confirmed too that Boris and his team are unscrupulous but not so smart. They are stupidly go where no one company gone before  

Illegally using UAB Kristolinis Dugnas account on Upaycard,they didnt break just Mastercard and Upaycard regulations but AML laws.

Using other(shell) company account as cover for a third company is a definition of money laundering.

https://www.gfintegrity.org/issue/anonymous-companies/

Their Telegram channel is going downhill because too many people are getting banned for asking the right questions about their scam.

They have tried to censor any voice that exposes them or disagrees with them or raises questions about their conduct.

People are asking why they have been receiving UAB Kristolinis Dugnas business cards when they are not employees of that company.

People are getting banned from their Telegram channel for asking where their IDs have been sent to and why was their ID sent off to various 3rd parties without asking permission.

The list goes on.

[BurnHashBurnCash]

Minex last medium post only confirmed what I said earlier - Minex went rogue completely. They simple do not care any more for laws and regulations at all.

It also confirmed too that Boris and his team are unscrupulous but not so smart. They are stupidly go where no one company gone before  

Illegally using UAB Kristolinis Dugnas account on Upaycard,they didnt break just Mastercard and Upaycard regulations but AML laws.

Using other(shell) company account as cover for a third company is a definition of money laundering.

https://www.gfintegrity.org/issue/anonymous-companies/

Their Telegram channel is going downhill because too many people are getting banned for asking the right questions about their scam.

They have tried to censor any voice that exposes them or disagrees with them or raises questions about their conduct.

People are asking why they have been receiving UAB Kristolinis Dugnas business cards when they are not employees of that company.

People are getting banned from their Telegram channel for asking where their IDs have been sent to and why was their ID sent off to various 3rd parties without asking permission.

The list goes on.

They are paying youtube ads with the parking money ...they went rogue and they will probably continue to do so till a cease and deist or if they get lucky regulations open up for crypto which is not anytime soon so I'd say they are going to be stay the course for the whole of 2019
 

[JollyGood]

Minex last medium post only confirmed what I said earlier - Minex went rogue completely. They simple do not care any more for laws and regulations at all.

It also confirmed too that Boris and his team are unscrupulous but not so smart. They are stupidly go where no one company gone before  

Illegally using UAB Kristolinis Dugnas account on Upaycard,they didnt break just Mastercard and Upaycard regulations but AML laws.

Using other(shell) company account as cover for a third company is a definition of money laundering.

https://www.gfintegrity.org/issue/anonymous-companies/

Their Telegram channel is going downhill because too many people are getting banned for asking the right questions about their scam.

They have tried to censor any voice that exposes them or disagrees with them or raises questions about their conduct.

People are asking why they have been receiving UAB Kristolinis Dugnas business cards when they are not employees of that company.

People are getting banned from their Telegram channel for asking where their IDs have been sent to and why was their ID sent off to various 3rd parties without asking permission.

The list goes on.

They are paying youtube ads with the parking money ...they went rogue and they will probably continue to do so till a cease and deist or if they get lucky regulations open up for crypto which is not anytime soon so I'd say they are going to be stay the course for the whole of 2019
 

They are offering 45% parking rates !

These Minex scammers are trying their best to fool gullible investors and newbies in to buying MNX

 

[JollyGood]

I just had this post deleted from the censored "official" Minexcoin thread:

How many cards have been ordered so far and how many of them are now being shipped?

Zero cards have been sent in the names of the people that sent their ID.

As for the number of UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS company Upaycards that are not Minexpay branded, they might not answer that question.

[thunderjet]

Minex last medium post only confirmed what I said earlier - Minex went rogue completely. They simple do not care any more for laws and regulations at all.

It also confirmed too that Boris and his team are unscrupulous but not so smart. They are stupidly go where no one company gone before  

Illegally using UAB Kristolinis Dugnas account on Upaycard,they didnt break just Mastercard and Upaycard regulations but AML laws.

Using other(shell) company account as cover for a third company is a definition of money laundering.

https://www.gfintegrity.org/issue/anonymous-companies/

Their Telegram channel is going downhill because too many people are getting banned for asking the right questions about their scam.

They have tried to censor any voice that exposes them or disagrees with them or raises questions about their conduct.

People are asking why they have been receiving UAB Kristolinis Dugnas business cards when they are not employees of that company.

People are getting banned from their Telegram channel for asking where their IDs have been sent to and why was their ID sent off to various 3rd parties without asking permission.

The list goes on.

It is a bad sign for company when it starts to censor everyone who dont completely agree with them.

There is some info from Minex russian thread on this forum from unsatisfied members who didnt receive cards after so many days.

They are talking how only 35-40 cards were actually sent ,not 1000 and only to Belarus(Google translate on English):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1849692.15680

The cards are on hand, but unfortunately not yet activated, we are waiting for the activation of the card) True design is not the same as on the minexpay site, but this is not scary, the main thing is that the entire functionality would work Happy New Year;)

pizdezh, how many from 1000 on hands? 35-40 pieces, only Belarusians received through the efforts of Kryptogada, so don’t fuck the cuz that the cards are on hand.

[ChinkyEyes]

I just had this post deleted from the censored "official" Minexcoin thread:

How many cards have been ordered so far and how many of them are now being shipped?

Zero cards have been sent in the names of the people that sent their ID.

As for the number of UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS company Upaycards that are not Minexpay branded, they might not answer that question.

Calm your tits a bit. I never asked for minexpay branded did I? I have been following Minex since ICO so I know everything what was said in old thread, this thread and the new modded thread.

There are a bunch of people in Telegram posting pictures of shipping confirmation. Just wondering how many people are going to get Upaycards.

[JollyGood]

I just had this post deleted from the censored "official" Minexcoin thread:

How many cards have been ordered so far and how many of them are now being shipped?

Zero cards have been sent in the names of the people that sent their ID.

As for the number of UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS company Upaycards that are not Minexpay branded, they might not answer that question.

Calm your tits a bit. I never asked for minexpay branded did I? I have been following Minex since ICO so I know everything what was said in old thread, this thread and the new modded thread.

There are a bunch of people in Telegram posting pictures of shipping confirmation. Just wondering how many people are going to get Upaycards.

One of the scammers who is in cahoots with the Minex team (Racquemis1) and operates a couple of pools added a link: https://minexpool.eu/cards/

He sometimes says the information is estimated and sometimes says it is incorrect, sometimes says it is correct. Just depends on his mood as to which lies or version he tells but the URL above is still working.

[ChinkyEyes]

I just had this post deleted from the censored "official" Minexcoin thread:

How many cards have been ordered so far and how many of them are now being shipped?

Zero cards have been sent in the names of the people that sent their ID.

As for the number of UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS company Upaycards that are not Minexpay branded, they might not answer that question.

Calm your tits a bit. I never asked for minexpay branded did I? I have been following Minex since ICO so I know everything what was said in old thread, this thread and the new modded thread.

There are a bunch of people in Telegram posting pictures of shipping confirmation. Just wondering how many people are going to get Upaycards.

One of the scammers who is in cahoots with the Minex team (Racquemis1) and operates a couple of pools added a link: https://minexpool.eu/cards/

He sometimes says the information is estimated and sometimes says it is incorrect, sometimes says it is correct. Just depends on his mood as to which lies or version he tells but the URL above is still working.

Thanks, this had been a believable number in my opinion but just look at what kind of numbers Tehmuk is throwing around now lol

[mr.pacy.mf]

They were trying hard to to get you permabanned https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088688.msg49002190#msg49002190

"Threats to inflict bodily harm" against me is locked now ....that their attempt to oblige the administrator to permaban me  end up with the failure ... thank you for information again...it's easiest to attack someone behind the back without being able to defend
@thunderjet  continue with amazing job *expose fraudsters and their intentions*...respect