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April 14, 2019, 11:28:51 PM
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Any way to hard reset the unit?

Re-flash the sd card with the latest firmware. That will erase all settings and give you a clean start.


worked like a charm. thanks
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April 15, 2019, 01:22:49 AM
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Any way to hard reset the unit?

Re-flash the sd card with the latest firmware. That will erase all settings and give you a clean start.


worked like a charm. thanks

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April 15, 2019, 03:50:00 PM
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I have two and set them both up last night. I setup the first one and added to my wireless. Then I powered on and setup the second one and it gave me a struggle after I added to wireless. It seemed to me they stepped on each other because the first one quit mining. But its possible I screwed up because I was on NyQuil so I switched one back to wired and both hashing away. I'd like to change the dns name from local to local2 or something just to keep them straight on my network. How can I do that?

BTW, left them both set to default and hashing away at about 102HM. And I can't believe how easy the mining interface is to configure.

Best way to set up multiple right now is to just power one on a time, find its IP address set it up, power it down, power up the second one and repeat, then power on the first.

Either way the wifi is buggy right now, but there is no reason why they both should not work. Can you shoot me a screen shot of the Network info side panel for both machines when you get the chance?

I am having a very hard time connecting my 2nd Apollo onto my wireless network. I am using a Sprint Wireless HotSpot which will allow up to 14 devices at any given time. When I connect with wireless in the console, it still shows the connection with the enternet port as being connected on a separate IP address. Is there some settings I have to save once it has a wireless connection?

After you have successfully configured wifi on the dashboard and its connected, you need to reboot the machine, and pull the ethernet plug before it reboots.

If you have both the wifi and ethernet connected it will stay on ethernet (or not work at all depending on your router).

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April 20, 2019, 06:57:25 PM
Last edit: April 20, 2019, 08:46:41 PM by devincrypt
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Daydreaming perhaps, but wondering if an Apollo could ever become a ltc full node with other miners on the local network pointing to that node. It would greatly reduce latency and maybe less invalid/stale shares (guessing).

If such a configuration would be possible and you found a block, would your node somehow reward you with Litecoins automatically?
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April 22, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
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Daydreaming perhaps, but wondering if an Apollo could ever become a ltc full node with other miners on the local network pointing to that node. It would greatly reduce latency and maybe less invalid/stale shares (guessing).

If such a configuration would be possible and you found a block, would your node somehow reward you with Litecoins automatically?

I wouldnt suggest it because if the sd card gets corrupted and you need to reflash it everything would be gone.
now the likely chance you might get to hit a block is almost nill to none in solo mode on the ltc wallet.
most likely it would just orphane out within 1-2 confirms.
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April 22, 2019, 04:29:57 PM
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Daydreaming perhaps, but wondering if an Apollo could ever become a ltc full node with other miners on the local network pointing to that node. It would greatly reduce latency and maybe less invalid/stale shares (guessing).

If such a configuration would be possible and you found a block, would your node somehow reward you with Litecoins automatically?

We are working on full node functionality and you could do this eventually. Trying to get a full node plus lightning and wallet functionality running stable first.

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April 22, 2019, 06:01:38 PM
Last edit: April 22, 2019, 09:59:05 PM by dwood443
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We are working on full node functionality and you could do this eventually. Trying to get a full node plus lightning and wallet functionality running stable first.

Can't wait to try this. This is why I've decided to leave my donation pool on. I appreciate all the effort you are putting into this.
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Optimizing efficiency using custom mode

I spent some time playing around with custom mode with the target of optimizing the unit efficiency while keeping the hashrate the same as in eco mode. Here are some findings and instructions that may be of use to also others.

The setup

My unit is powered with a Dell DA-2 PSU which is connected to the unit using a custom cable using XT60 connector in between before the pci-e connector. This allowed having one power meter before the PSU and another one after it (HobbyKing HK-010 in this case). That way, it didn't matter if the efficiency of the PSU changed depending on load as I was able to see how much the unit was actually using. Fan was set 15% as I also expected to see some changes in the miner temperature and litecoinpool was used as only configured pool to ensure constant and steady load. The current firmware (0.0.2) was in use.

The tuning process

The basic idea is really simple: start with the same settings as in eco mode and lower the voltage until the error percent jumps.
The reality was that I found some bugs but did get the job done. Smiley

The first issue I noticed was that the "reset to default value" in custom mode doesn't, at least currently, match the same voltage as in eco mode. Based on the power meters, it would look like the eco mode is using 760.20 mV as voltage and 598 MHz as frequency. However, the default for custom mode is 747 mV and 598 MHz. But at least the frequency is likely to be the same so I started from 760.20 mV while keeping the frequency fixed at 598 MHz.

The next issue, at least with Firefox, is that moving the voltage slider results in the save dialog popping up on top of the page which then moves the voltage slider down and sometimes gave the impression that the slider had moved more than I intended. That can kind of be solved by just clicking the slider to put focus on it and then pressing the left arrow from the keyboard once. That guarantees a reduction of one increment and the save button can then be clicked to make the change go live.

Finally, there's some sort of calculation or rounding error with the numbers of the voltage slider as those don't always correctly match the value that the miner then gets from the /var/local/apollo/hwmon/reg_voltage file that gets updated. As an example, both 743.6 mV and 747.75 mV result in reg_voltage being set to 24 so there's no change being done even when on of the values is smaller in the user interface. Then sometimes one increment results in reg_voltage being decreases by 2 instead of 1. For example, 739.45 mV gives reg_voltage 23 but the next step 735.3 mV results in reg_voltage 21. This results in some voltage steps not being available for selection from the user interface. These issues repeat few times within the tested range and can be seen as missing reg_voltage values in the table below.

I was also missing a button to reset the bfgminer stats back to zero (="feature request" Wink) so that it would be faster to see what the error rate is. Without stats reset, you'll be looking at the full runtime average. As a workaround, I accessed the bfgminer screen from the command line and executed a stats reset directly from its interface after every voltage change. That also resets the stats in the web interface.

Here are finally the steps I repeated during about 30 minutes until I found the lowest usable voltage:

1) drop voltage by one increment and press save
2) verify from /var/local/apollo/hwmon/reg_voltage and power meters that some change was applied
3) reset bfgminer stats
4) give the stats 1-2 minutes to stabilize
5) record the values for later analysis
6) if error % stays below 1-2% then go back to step 1

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With my unit, the error % started increasing at 689.65 mV and 685.50 mV was clearly too low. As a result, I've set the voltage to 697.95 mV. This gave me a reduction of about 20W when looked from the wall socket side while still keeping the hashrate exactly the same. Also the temperature dropped from around 60C (forgot to record the exact initial value) to 54C which would make the unit produce less noise if the automatic fan is used. As an interesting side note, the voltage increments appear to match exactly 0.1A changes at 12V on the unit side.

The lowest possible voltage for a given frequency is likely to be somewhat unit specific and therefore using the lowest value I got may not produce the same end results. That's why the steps above should be followed if something like this is tried. Having a power meter or two isn't really mandatory but having at least one helps to give some idea what the power usage is before and after.
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April 28, 2019, 10:26:23 AM
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Optimizing efficiency using custom mode
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I was doing the same but without control of the consumption and in one machine I reached the 710.4 mV and in another 722.85 mV keeping the hashrate and not having hardware errors> 1%.
Note: I think 1-2 min. it is not enough to check whether hashrate and hardware errors are reached. I think it is more correct to restart the miner and wait 15 min.

Very good job whiteogre  Smiley!
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April 30, 2019, 06:40:28 PM
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As of yesterday my Apollo started giving massive amounts of hardware errors (between 15% and 25%). Poolside it shows i have now 187 miners connected (only one with actual hashrate, so it means the software miner is restarted very often). Hashrate is no longer 100mh but 100 minus the hardware error percentage. Since last reset one month ago (to change coin payout on pool) it was working great without any problems. Now its running for almost 20h but still 15% hw error.

Here is the poolinfo: https://www.zpool.ca/wallet/DQ73vSWty5XmVQ3dfhy1uTLcAoSdVss1YM

I read in this thread about increasing voltage a litle bit but it was running fine for all this time so that doesnt make sense to me. Does anyone have any ideas?
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April 30, 2019, 08:56:04 PM
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As of yesterday my Apollo started giving massive amounts of hardware errors (between 15% and 25%). Poolside it shows i have now 187 miners connected (only one with actual hashrate, so it means the software miner is restarted very often). Hashrate is no longer 100mh but 100 minus the hardware error percentage. Since last reset one month ago (to change coin payout on pool) it was working great without any problems. Now its running for almost 20h but still 15% hw error.

Here is the poolinfo: https://www.zpool.ca/wallet/DQ73vSWty5XmVQ3dfhy1uTLcAoSdVss1YM

I read in this thread about increasing voltage a litle bit but it was running fine for all this time so that doesnt make sense to me. Does anyone have any ideas?

Did you change anything pool wise? Sounds like a bad SD card to me, I would try reflashing it.

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April 30, 2019, 08:56:58 PM
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Optimizing efficiency using custom mode

I spent some time playing around with custom mode with the target of optimizing the unit efficiency while keeping the hashrate the same as in eco mode. Here are some findings and instructions that may be of use to also others.

[SNIP]

Nice writeup!

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May 02, 2019, 03:56:08 PM
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Did you change anything pool wise? Sounds like a bad SD card to me, I would try reflashing it.

Didnt change anything. Didnt have time to look at the problem or reflash either and now it seems to have stabalized. Only one miner connected to pool and averiging around 100mh on poolside like normal. No clue what this hickup was.
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May 03, 2019, 03:20:25 PM
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Optimizing efficiency using custom mode

I spent some time playing around with custom mode with the target of optimizing the unit efficiency while keeping the hashrate the same as in eco mode. Here are some findings and instructions that may be of use to also others.

[SNIP]

Nice writeup!

I changed my 2 Apollos to balanced mode about 6 weeks ago and they are running very stable averaging about 121 Mh/s. I found the testing done by #whiteogre interesting.  Can the same kind of analysis be done in balanced mode?  What are the stock settings when on balanced mode?   I don't have any issues with hardware errors, just wondering about efficiency. 
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Did you change anything pool wise? Sounds like a bad SD card to me, I would try reflashing it.

Didnt change anything. Didnt have time to look at the problem or reflash either and now it seems to have stabalized. Only one miner connected to pool and averiging around 100mh on poolside like normal. No clue what this hickup was.

Sounds like there was some sort of pool side issue/server was down.

Currently if something happens poolside and the Apollo is backed up it will shoot thousands of bad shares to the pool on re-connect...this is why you see a high "reject" rate even though nothing is wrong with the miner. Ill need to figure out a way to do an automatic reset of stats for cases like this.

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May 04, 2019, 06:19:29 AM
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@whiteogre

Many thanks for writeup. Worked a treat. Got mine down to 702.1mV before HW errors started showing up like there was no tomorrow. I left miner running for about 5min on each increment and in the end ended up saving roughly 15W. (corsair link isn't as accurate as a powermeter)

MCU and miner temp stayed pretty solid through testing.

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May 04, 2019, 12:59:35 PM
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- A super ECO mode which further undervolts and underclocks the Apollos for folks with high electricity costs and in readiness for the Litecoin halving in August to squeeze the efficiency. Although I hope the price doubles to compensate.

You can always experiment with this on your own. Just go to custom settings and start lowering frequency/voltage.

You can't "break" anything when undervolting/underclocking. The ASIC chips will just produce a lot of HW errors if you undervolt too far. Things only get dangerous when you start over-volting.

FYI Eco mode defaults are ~740mV voltage and 600MHZ clocks. So there is still plenty of headroom to go even more efficient. I think the best i have gotten is ~ .9 W/MH at around 80-90MH


could you  add

to this

Eco default =  740 mv  600 mhz
Balanced default = ?
Turbo default = ?


I went in and set

735.3 mv and freq 598

my errors are 0.4%

my hash is 98

I just got an Apollo a few weeks ago and have been running in eco.  I did start tuning from eco and got it down to 727 mv and up to 611 with 1% HW errors, which I am pretty happy with!  But I have the same question.  I want to see if I can push it higher, even with a few more mv, so knowing the stock settings for balanced and Turbo would be a big help.

Thanks for making these!  They rock and I'll grab another one once they are back in stock!
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May 04, 2019, 04:54:48 PM
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- A super ECO mode which further undervolts and underclocks the Apollos for folks with high electricity costs and in readiness for the Litecoin halving in August to squeeze the efficiency. Although I hope the price doubles to compensate.

You can always experiment with this on your own. Just go to custom settings and start lowering frequency/voltage.

You can't "break" anything when undervolting/underclocking. The ASIC chips will just produce a lot of HW errors if you undervolt too far. Things only get dangerous when you start over-volting.

FYI Eco mode defaults are ~740mV voltage and 600MHZ clocks. So there is still plenty of headroom to go even more efficient. I think the best i have gotten is ~ .9 W/MH at around 80-90MH


could you  add

to this

Eco default =  740 mv  600 mhz
Balanced default = ?
Turbo default = ?


I went in and set

735.3 mv and freq 598

my errors are 0.4%

my hash is 98

I just got an Apollo a few weeks ago and have been running in eco.  I did start tuning from eco and got it down to 727 mv and up to 611 with 1% HW errors, which I am pretty happy with!  But I have the same question.  I want to see if I can push it higher, even with a few more mv, so knowing the stock settings for balanced and Turbo would be a big help.

Thanks for making these!  They rock and I'll grab another one once they are back in stock!

Yea ill put all the stuff up "soon". Still haven't updated the OP on this thread with a real writeup :/....between building the new PSU, software updates, and getting Batch 2 ready I have been swamped.

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May 11, 2019, 12:34:12 PM
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Can you mine two pools / balance ?  so far I can add multiple pools but only failover strategy.
Can you dual mine two currencies?
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May 12, 2019, 04:55:07 PM
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Can you mine two pools / balance ?  so far I can add multiple pools but only failover strategy.
Can you dual mine two currencies?

No it’s not possible to mine two coins with an ASIC miner. That’s only for GPUs and even that is limited. 

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