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[LoyceV]

Every Italian spend three years of their life studying it.

Italians are weird I cut my spaghetti.

Damn, I've been for quite some time in DT1 now. Is there any place we can see how many times we have dropped off the DT1 list?

I have a CSV, see DT1-strength of 211 users in 113 weeks (there are more entries by now than the title shows). You've Merited that topic, so you should know this already.

Is there a list of the profiles  included in the DT lottery?

Not officially. I have my Rank-up pipeline for the DT1-election, but it has certain limitations and isn't completely accurate.

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[fillippone]

I cut my spaghetti.

Cutting spaghetti is not as divisive as you might think.
Pineapple on pizza is.
Cutting spaghetti is meh.

Is there a list of the profiles  included in the DT lottery?

Not officially. I have my Rank-up pipeline for the DT1-election, but it has certain limitations and isn't completely accurate.

This is more or less what I was searching for.
Particularly for the Italian board (provided it’s easy to understand what an Italian user is (Pineapple on Pizza acid test?).

[LoyceV]

Particularly for the Italian board (provided it’s easy to understand what an Italian user is (Pineapple on Pizza acid test?).

I'll leave the PoPa-test to you, just see which Italian users are on the list.

[dragonvslinux]

I cut my spaghetti.

Cutting spaghetti is not as divisive as you might think.
Pineapple on pizza is.
Cutting spaghetti is meh.

What about snapping it in half so it immediately fits in a pot like pasta usually does, therefore forcing half-length-ed spaghetti onto others?
I've been accused of blasphemy by an Italian based on spaghetti's sacred status. Nobody else ever notices though.

[TheBeardedBaby]

You've Merited that topic, so you should know this already.

I wish I had the memory to remember all the topics I've merited . I cannot remember what I ate yday but what I remember is all the Paw patrol and Barbapapa episodes.
There's a good side to that bad memory, re-watching some old classics I have watched many years ago just fascinate me again and are keeping me under pressure until the end. Lol

OK, enough off-topic. Thank you for refreshing my memory. Seems like I've been off the DT thanks to the lottery only for 6 months (not counting the time i had the STRIKE and intentionally left)

[LoyceV]

Theymos reshuffled DT1. (this happened yesterday afternoon already, but I was occupied IRL)

Removed:
     1. Donator qwk (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (2351 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary fronti (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (290 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Staff Welsh (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (2698 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary ibminer (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1255 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary wwzsocki (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1319 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Hero Member Nestade (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (764 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary willi9974 (Trust: +34 / =0 / -0) (837 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary examplens (Trust: +4 / =4 / -0) (1045 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary minerjones (Trust: +150 / =1 / -0) (1812 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary zazarb (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (507 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =3 / -0) (1205 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Hero Member polymerbit (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (637 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary xtraelv (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1776 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary Ale88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1199 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary duesoldi (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (2034 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary Kryptowerk (Trust: +52 / =0 / -0) (771 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary Vispilio (Trust: +1 / =3 / -2) (1116 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Hero Member RaltcoinsB (Trust: neutral) (613 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary roycilik (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (1759 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Hero Member 3meek (Trust: neutral) (405 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary joniboini (Trust: neutral) (1560 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Sr. Member Agrawas (Trust: +59 / =0 / -0) (462 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary cabalism13 (Trust: #  +11 / =3 / -6) (1165 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (3218 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary YOSHIE (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (1569 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Copper Member rxalts (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (351 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary Ratimov (Trust: +17 / =1 / -0) (8544 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Administrator theymos (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (9197 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Staff HostFat (Trust: neutral) (167 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary Foxpup (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1512 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary philipma1957 (Trust: +37 / =0 / -0) (3826 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary yogg (Trust: +37 / =0 / -0) (2098 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary JayJuanGee (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (6300 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: +54 / =0 / -0) (959 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary o_solo_miner (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (393 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary sandy-is-fine (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (214 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary SyGambler (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (800 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary klarki (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Copper Member actmyname (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (1482 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary Yatsan (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (689 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary finaleshot2016 (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (905 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Copper Member crwth (Trust: +3 / =4 / -0) (903 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary -doubleU- (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (1209 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (3127 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary icopress (Trust: +21 / =0 / -0) (3435 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Copper Member bavicrypto (Trust: +39 / =0 / -0) (150 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary dragonvslinux (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (1570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary sheenshane (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1034 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1368 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Staff mole0815 (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (2293 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary Bthd (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (2026 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (11004 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Copper Member DireWolfM14 (Trust: +21 / =1 / -0) (3466 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Copper Member Harkorede (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (582 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

[LoyceV]

Should there be a limit to how many DT2-users one DT1-user can create? I'm bringing this up because I noticed an increasing number of Newbies and very low ranking users on DT2.
How to reach DT2 as a new user? Just leave positive feedback for MrCryptHodl (see his Trust list), and BOOM, you're DT2!
How to get DT2 positive feedback? Just buy something from MrCryptHodl, pay upfront, and BOOM, you have positive feedback!

I don't think this is correct use of the Trust system. MrCryptHodl's Sent feedback:

(list shortened)

None of those feedbacks mean the user can be trusted.

[icopress]

[...]

How do you usually like to say "You should go first" (especially since you are DT1). Therefore, I am ready to follow your example (although I would prefer that if someone pointed out the problem to him). Then perhaps there will be no need to vote against him. 

[LoyceV]

"You should go first"

I wasn't planning on excluding him, but you have a point. I've excluded him:

~MrCryptHodl
This user leaves positive feedback to many users without valid reason (he didn't risk anything), and adds many (new) users who leave him positive feedback to his Trust list (which puts them on DT2).

(although I would prefer that if someone pointed out the problem to him)

He's quite literally using his Sent feedback to advertise his coins. From what I've seen, the self-scratchers on the Collectibles board don't really care much about using the Trust system correctly. As long as they can increase their own Trust score, they're okay with it. MrCryptHodl certainly isn't the only one doing this.
But if he were to improve his Trust ratings and Trust list, I'll remove his exclusion.

[icopress]

I'll also remove the tilde if he corrects his trust list.

In fact, a simple discussion in this thread and synchronous actions by 4 people can remove most of the current flaws.

[Lafu]

"You should go first"

I wasn't planning on excluding him, but you have a point. I've excluded him:

I already have written in the german local board in the Trust Thread now , about his behaving and how he is doing as far i got told he is a german speaking User.
Lets see if maybe will take care of the situation and what he is doing after that , i also have written a link there to this thread (post) and hope he shows up here to clear that.
He already has lost the ability to choose DT2 members for now.

[icopress]

[...]

As far as I understand, now this case is no longer relevant  ^{[he corrected his trust list and the number of feedbacks decreased from 65 to 29]}.

In this regard, as I said earlier, I remove the tilde.

[LoyceV]

I already have written in the german local board in the Trust Thread now , about his behaving and how he is doing as far i got told he is a german speaking User.
Lets see if maybe will take care of the situation

Thanks, that would of course be the preferred outcome.

As far as I understand, now this case is no longer relevant  ^{[he corrected his trust list and the number of feedbacks decreased from 65 to 29]}.

You can't really tell from this data: BPIP shows he no longer trusts a list of users, but that's because of the way BPIP works when someone drops off DT1. After your removal, nutildah excluded him, so the result is the same.

[dkbit98]

Should there be a limit to how many DT2-users one DT1-user can create? I'm bringing this up because I noticed an increasing number of Newbies and very low ranking users on DT2.
How to reach DT2 as a new user? Just leave positive feedback for MrCryptHodl (see his Trust list), and BOOM, you're DT2!
How to get DT2 positive feedback? Just buy something from MrCryptHodl, pay upfront, and BOOM, you have positive feedback!

I agree this is incorrect use of trust system, but should opposite case also apply?
For example, you don't like someone or you are don't agree with opinions of other members, and you give them negative feedback and distrust them on your trust list.
I can give specific examples, but I think you already know about them yourself very well.
How to remove this members from DT1 membership?

[LoyceV]

should opposite case also apply?
For example, you don't like someone or you are don't agree with opinions of other members, and you give them negative feedback and distrust them on your trust list.

To quote myself:

If you really hate someone and he's a terrible troll, that does not deserve negative feedback.

[Little Mouse]

How to remove this members from DT1 membership?

You simply can't. I don't know whom you are referring here, I know at least one of such kind who uses the trust system in wrong way but still a DT1 member. Well, if they don't change their habits, they will get off DT in the long. I believe people are more educated on Trust System now than we had last year or prior. This will increase eventually and those who don't use the system perfectly will no longer be in DT member I think. But as I said, it will take time.

[Timelord2067]

There is a case to be made that MrCryptHodl has engaged in self-scratching going back to their first positive trust feed back they received.

For example:

2stout

2021-01-15

Promptly paid for 3 entries into my raffle and won! Also let me know item was received in good standing.

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-01-16_Sat_04.01h/2938510.html

Trust list for: MrCryptHodl (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2021-01-16_Sat_04.01h)
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MrCryptHodl Trusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW 2stout (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (36 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

MrCryptHodl Distrusts these users' judgement:
-

MrCryptHodl's judgement is Trusted by:
1. NEW 2stout (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (36 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~MrCryptHodl's judgement is Distrusted by:
-

bitcoiner24h

2021-01-22

paid promptly communicated well - smooth transaction.

MoparMiningLLC

2021-05-13

Reference

MrCryptHodl participated in one of my group buys - paid for the items and no escrow needed.

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-01-23_Sat_04.05h/2938510.html

Trust list for: MrCryptHodl (Trust: neutral) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2021-01-23_Sat_04.05h)
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MrCryptHodl Trusts these users' judgement:
1. 2stout (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (36 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW MoparMiningLLC (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (733 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW bitcoiner24h (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (28 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

MrCryptHodl Distrusts these users' judgement:
-

MrCryptHodl's judgement is Trusted by:
1. 2stout (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (36 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW bitcoiner24h (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (28 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~MrCryptHodl's judgement is Distrusted by:
-

minerjones

2021-03-20

transaction went smoothly.

bL4nkcode

2021-03-20

Reference

Sold a ledger nano, transaction went smoothly.

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-03-20_Sat_04.06h/2938510.html

Trust list for: MrCryptHodl (Trust: neutral) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2021-03-20_Sat_04.06h)
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MrCryptHodl Trusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW minerjones (Trust: +122 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 1433 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW bL4nkcode (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 675 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. 2stout (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (36 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. MoparMiningLLC (Trust: +20 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (4) 820 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. bitcoiner24h (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (28 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

MrCryptHodl Distrusts these users' judgement:
-

MrCryptHodl's judgement is Trusted by:
1. 2stout (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (36 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. bitcoiner24h (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (28 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~MrCryptHodl's judgement is Distrusted by:
-

Each time MrCryptHodl receives positive trust feedback, the person is rewarded with positive DT trust which in turn gives MrCryptHodl a higher "most trusted" score.

[owlcatz]

There is a case to be made that MrCryptHodl has engaged in self-scratching going back to their first positive trust feed back they received.
Each time MrCryptHodl receives positive trust feedback, the person is rewarded with positive DT trust which in turn gives MrCryptHodl a higher "most trusted" score.

As a collectibles user, I know most of them don't understand the implications of what they are doing. In fact, I have most of them distrusted as a result - Do I NOT trust them, You might ask?

No, I trust most of them just fine, but I see no logical reason for people in collectibles to give & leave so much trust for relatively low value items. I don't think I've left a positive rating for anything under 1K in a long time...

Anyhow, I've tried helping people over there understand the trust system, but they just don't really get it...

(Another reason I'm blacklisted voluntarily from DT1 - I don't need to take up a slot if I'm not actively leaving ratings for scammers and helping the forum. I understand the argument that trust feedbacks are for "Trades" etc, but I saw what I thought to be an "unhealthy" overlap for the forum as a whole, so I started distrusting most users in that board, and GTFO'd DT1  

[MoparMiningLLC]

You can keep my name out of your conspiracies - I don’t partake in tit for tat backscratching for trust feedback

This is why I dont add or exclude anyone on my trust list - somewhere there is some whining nancy with too much time on their hands worried about someone else and who they trust or who trusts them. Dont like who someone adds/excludes? Then exclude them and move on.

[Timelord2067]

You can keep my name out of your conspiracies - I don’t partake in tit for tat backscratching for trust feedback

May I suggest you might like to read what I wrote - MrCryptHodl is adding others when they do a trade (not the other way around).

This is why I dont add or exclude anyone on my trust list - somewhere there is some whining namcy with too much time on their hands worried about someone else and who they trust or who trusts them. Dont like who someone adds/excludes? Then exclude them and move on.

Done.