DefaultTrust changes

[morvillz7z]

^ peloso (DT1) is adding random people to his trust list (DT2). Most of those people have left negative ratings toward Lauda and nullius.

He is also adding people to boost his positive score (UserCoin, Mad_Max, aliborn, GAMORA, sashapan) users who previously have given him positive ratings.

https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

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[LoyceV]

I have to say that I almost fell off my chair laughing when I saw this Default Trust rating on my trust page:
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How these kind of users end up in DT is beyond my knowledge.

My guess: Someone on DT1 is targeting Lauda. This morning, Lauda was at +33 / =6 / -4, now it's +32 / =6 / -11.
https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx shows that peloso (DT1 strength (2)) has added many users to DT2 today, and several of those have left Lauda negative feedback in the past.

It could be the real target is someone else (or multiple users), but I guess Lauda is the most likely scenario.

Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse.

I only now see morvillz7z beat me to it.

[marlboroza]

^ V for vendetta.

OMG, I am collateral victim here!  
On serious note, administration should do something about this. This is not something what should be sorted "inside DT", nop.

[LoyceV]

On serious note, administration should do something about this. This is not something what should be sorted "inside DT", nop

You should send a PM to theymos. It's probably good if Admin ends this abuse. The alternative is other DT1-users excluding peloso, and this will probably happen, but eventually that won't work anymore when more and more bad actors get voted onto DT1.

[marlboroza]

Yeah, I did.

[DaveF]

On serious note, administration should do something about this. This is not something what should be sorted "inside DT", nop

You should send a PM to theymos. It's probably good if Admin ends this abuse. The alternative is other DT1-users excluding peloso, and this will probably happen, but eventually that won't work anymore when more and more bad actors get voted onto DT1.

I have to say that I almost fell off my chair laughing when I saw this Default Trust rating on my trust page:
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How these kind of users end up in DT is beyond my knowledge.

My guess: Someone on DT1 is targeting Lauda. This morning, Lauda was at +33 / =6 / -4, now it's +32 / =6 / -11.
https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx shows that peloso (DT1 strength (2)) has added many users to DT2 today, and several of those have left Lauda negative feedback in the past.

It could be the real target is someone else (or multiple users), but I guess Lauda is the most likely scenario.

Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse.

I only now see morvillz7z beat me to it.

^ peloso (DT1) is adding random people to his trust list (DT2). Most of those people have left negative ratings toward Lauda and nullius.

He is also adding people to boost his positive score (UserCoin, Mad_Max, aliborn, GAMORA, sashapan) users who previously have given him positive ratings.

https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

Looking around since as I said about 5 posts up I just made DT1
What the heck is going on with this drama?
Seriously, I more or less keep my head down, post some stuff to sell. Bid on stuff to buy. Help out some people in the support sections and so on.
Yeah, I knew there was some drama going on but have only been paying very little attention to it.

Guess I am going to have to read some more.

Stay safe.

[peloso]

I have to say that I almost fell off my chair laughing when I saw this Default Trust rating on my trust page:
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How these kind of users end up in DT is beyond my knowledge.

My guess: Someone on DT1 is targeting Lauda. This morning, Lauda was at +33 / =6 / -4, now it's +32 / =6 / -11.
https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx shows that peloso (DT1 strength (2)) has added many users to DT2 today, and several of those have left Lauda negative feedback in the past.

It could be the real target is someone else (or multiple users), but I guess Lauda is the most likely scenario.

Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse.

I only now see morvillz7z beat me to it.

2 years ago i cryed about lauda, tman and others morons that abused trust system
gave me negative ratings without proofs and reasons
no one wanted to listen to me
and today you are discussing in condemn my attack on Lauda
this id double standart

when lauda and she;s morons attacked me it s not abuse system
when i adding to MY list someone who i want this is system abuse
GOOD

[marlboroza]

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You had loan scammer in your trust network (admiral IIRC, but I will have to double check this) and you tried to manipulate DT! Now you did it!

Here you go, some posts to refresh your memory:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098584.msg49297792#msg49297792
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098584.msg49305481#msg49305481
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098584.msg49289201#msg49289201
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098584.msg49290224#msg49290224

I said this a year ago:

That's it from me, I don't see anything wrong in this discussion except peloso person is trying to manipulate with people and some shitting on Lauda. So far it seems like regular discussion.

I noticed your manipulative ass a year ago!

[peloso]

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You had loan scammer in your trust network (admiral IIRC, but I will have to double check this) and you tried to manipulate DT! Now you did it!

you lie as always

and you lied at that time ( when they attacked me)

hey liar stop lie
WHERE is admiral?

no show me your fucking shit that created year ago this not actual

[marlboroza]

you lie as always

Of course, I edited my post, read it again.

[peloso]

you lie as always

Of course, I edited my post, read it again.

i edited too...and answered

what else user you interested from my list? ( say only actual not years ago list )

[marlboroza]

and you lied at that time ( when they attacked me)

IIRC I sent PM to someone and advised them to remove some negative ratings back then, but I guess that is something you don't see. Anyway, PM has been sent to administration, it's up to theymos now, conversation between you and me is over.

Stay safe  

[peloso]

and you lied at that time ( when they attacked me)

IIRC I sent PM to someone and advised them to remove some negative ratings back then, but I guess that is something you don't see. Anyway, PM has been sent to administration, it's up to theymos now, conversation between you and me is over.

Stay safe  

i dont know IIRC
this user not in my list and never been
you lie again

to whoom did you sent ?
which negative ratings?

[suchmoon]

You should send a PM to theymos. It's probably good if Admin ends this abuse. The alternative is other DT1-users excluding peloso, and this will probably happen, but eventually that won't work anymore when more and more bad actors get voted onto DT1.

I think you got it backwards. Exclusions is how this is supposed to work. Admin intervention means we're all just crybabies waiting for mommy to change our dirty diapers.

It would be nice if the threshold is raised so fewer of these shitheads get into DT1 to begin with, but once they do get in (and some would probably get in even with a higher threshold) it's on us.

[marlboroza]

I think you got it backwards. Exclusions is how this is supposed to work. Admin intervention means we're all just crybabies waiting for mommy to change our dirty diapers.

It would be nice if the threshold is raised so fewer of these shitheads get into DT1 to begin with, but once they do get in (and some would probably get in even with a higher threshold) it's on us.

Yes, but this shit is repeating over and over again and at one point number of "bad users" in DT will become bigger than number of "good users", and who will vote against them then? Look how DT works:

What the heck is going on with this drama?
Seriously, I more or less keep my head down [...]
Yeah, I knew there was some drama going on but have only been paying very little attention to it. [...]

It's not drama, it is about DT system where DT members choose to not get involved and someone expect certain things to self-resolve within system while most DT members simple choose to "stay away" (no hard feelings DaveF).

[peloso]

I think you got it backwards. Exclusions is how this is supposed to work. Admin intervention means we're all just crybabies waiting for mommy to change our dirty diapers.

It would be nice if the threshold is raised so fewer of these shitheads get into DT1 to begin with, but once they do get in (and some would probably get in even with a higher threshold) it's on us.

Yes, but this shit is repeating over and over again and at one point number of "bad users" in DT will become bigger than number of "good users", and who will vote against them then?

who are good users? lauda ? tman? you ? may be suchmoon?

and someone expect certain things to self-resolve within system

like this

so you lied and ignore cases about admiral and IIRC
what else users from my list prevents you life

[suchmoon]

Yes, but this shit is repeating over and over again and at one point number of "bad users" in DT will become bigger than number of "good users", and who will vote against them then? Look how DT works:

So do we expect theymos to blacklist the "bad" majority then? Or blacklist the passive DT1 members for not excluding the "bad" members? Doesn't seem much different than theymos just hand-picking DT1 like he used to prior to 2019.

We have the DT that we deserve. That's all there is to it. If there are morons in DT we deserve to have morons in DT.

[marlboroza]

No, at least to blacklist obvious cases like this one. No problem. Lets see how this will be "self resolved"  and then we will talk. I won't mention it any more, there is more than enough DT members to resolve this. Either you are right and I am wrong or you are wrong and I am right.

If there are morons in DT we deserve to have morons in DT.

I disagree.

[DaveF]

It's not drama, it is about DT system where DT members choose to not get involved and someone expect certain things to self-resolve within system while most DT members simple choose to "stay away".

Well that's a little harsh I just got here and am trying to figure out whats going on.
Which......I think is part of the problem. But I am the new guy so I might be way out of touch. For me DT2 did not mean much I just trade a lot and try to help out.

Seriously, if someone who I have a connection to on the forum had not called me and said, "hey you are now DT1" I probably would have never noticed.
So, if I had not gotten that call and spent the next 2 months here not doing a thing would that make me part of the problem OR an innocent bystander who had no clue.

Look at most of my posts. Collectibles, Development & Technical Discussion, Wallet software, Project Development.
Some stuff here in meta but not a lot. Yeah, I also have reported 740 posts but compared to others that's nothing.

I know there is a lot of crap going on, and yeah, I just tweaked my trust list a bit. But there are 100 people on DT1 if I am reading properly. Am I the only clueless one who had no idea that he got here?

Looking at the list, yes you should be here, as should many others on the list that theymos posted yesterday.
I also see some people who I feel should not be here.
BUT....
I can also see 25+ people that I have no idea who the heck they are I don't think I have ever seen one of their posts. Could be they are on local boards only, could be they are posting to topics I don't read, etc.

So, now I am going to go out and take a look at tons of posts while keeping my mouth shut for a bit because now that my trust list MEANS MORE I am going to have research.

Looping back to

where DT members choose to not get involved and someone expect certain things

I have a full time job, but no kids and no other major obligations. So I can spend more time here. But, without knowing everyone's situation I think that is a bit of an unfair brush to paint with.
As I said, I do have the time, and will do my best to help "clean out the trash" but looking around I don't see a post "FAQ: You are now on DT1 / DT2 this is what changed for you and what you should do with it."

Stay safe.

-Dave

[marlboroza]

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You missed this part:

no hard feelings DaveF

I just took your post for example. No hard feelings, I have job, kids and obligations too, whole point is about system which should be self-resolved but people either don't have time or don't care or choose to stay away. Not really a good system IMO.