DefaultTrust changes

[LoyceV]

Since we're back at the chances of being included, I'll drop my 2 satoshis:
I merited Quickseller's post, but not theymos' post. I thought the 99.99997% looked a bit high, but past midnight I didn't have the time for a proper response.

Rough calculation
Assuming: the first month 4 people didn't make it to DT1, and the next month 6 people didn't make it.
I see no need for a very accurate calculation, so I'm doing a back-of-the-envelope calculation with rounding.

That means there's a 4% chance for anyone to be excluded in the first month, and 6% the next month.

For someone to be excluded 2 months in a row, the chance multiplies to 0.24%.
For someone who is already excluded in the first month to be excluded in the second month too, the chance is the same as it is for anyone else to be excluded in the second month: 6%.
For one of the 4 users who were excluded in the first month, to be excluded again in the second month, the chance is 4 times higher: 24% (and here the rounding error gets a bit larger but it's still acceptable for the sake of argument).

Wouldn't it be more interesting to look at the actual chances to DT2 that result from the changes in DT1? It only matters who's on DT1 if a DT2-member is included by only one (or maybe two) DT1 member(s).

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[fillippone]

I see no need for a very accurate calculation, so I'm doing a back-of-the-envelope calculation with rounding.

There's no need for very accurate calculation, but there is a way to do very accurate calculations.
This is why I did very accurate calculations!

[babo]

i follow the discussion for pure mathematical interest.

[suchmoon]

Update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg52352059#msg52352059

[ never mind, see Veleor's list below ]

[Veleor]

DT update log

Removed:

gmaxwell	Trust List
SebastianJu	Trust List
Dabs	Trust List
monkeynuts	Trust List
hedgy73	Trust List
EcuaMobi	Trust List
Piggy	Trust List
ekiller	Trust List
polymerbit	Trust List
AlyattesLydia	Trust List
bavicrypto	Trust List
theyoungmillionaire	Trust List

Added:

CanaryInTheMine	Trust List
Anduck	Trust List
babo	Trust List
arulbero	Trust List
JayJuanGee	Trust List
BitcoinPenny	Trust List
mhanbostanci	Trust List
Kalemder	Trust List
LeGaulois	Trust List
asu	Trust List
chimk	Trust List
madnessteat	Trust List

[suchmoon]

I think there are mistakes in your list. Some added and deleted users were mixed up.

Hmmm... weird. I just did a simple diff, not sure how that happened. Thanks for the correction.

Edit - Roger Ver is just a few votes away from DT2 courtesy of CanaryInTheMine

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-08-31_Sat_06.04h/18614.html

[fillippone]

Luckily babo is now included in the list, saving us from another round of combinatory calculus dissertation.

[LoyceV]

DT update log

See Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings for an updated list of all DT1 and DT2 members. The number of DT2-members dropped from 434 to to 372, partially because of the removal of Trust Selfscratchers.

[marlboroza]

Which moron added https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=158678 to DT?

[drwhobox]

Which moron added https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=158678 to DT?

Please go to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full
Ctrl+F
Type: goraset
Press enter three time  

Kalemder
        Timelord2067
        EFS
        by rallier
        goraset
        teramit
        Lydian
        techman
        owlcatz
        mhanbostanci
        Suleiman the Magnificent
        cabsav
        ekiller
        udonmez
        onurgozupek
        bobita
        HakanYAZICI
        Vispilio
        wolwoo
        Matthias9515
        AlyattesLydia
        PHI1618
        yilmazsatti
        gospodin
        cryptobaro
        Bthd

[marlboroza]

Which moron added https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=158678 to DT?

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No, this is me ranting about someone adding plagiarist and content thief to default trust. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is second time this user ended up in DT and again person who caught goraset stealing their work and trying to pass it as their own for monetary gain ended up with negative trust https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2050090.0.

[marlboroza]

No, this is me ranting about someone adding plagiarist and content thief to default trust. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is second time this user ended up in DT and again person who caught goraset stealing their work and trying to pass it as their own for monetary gain ended up with negative trust https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2050090.0.

This may or may not be true and this could be a valid and correct objection.

If you only have spent time to read thread instead writing wall of text which I stopped reading exactly here you would have seen what I am talking about.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

We and our friends will be keeping on topic and relevant whilst bringing them to light at every instance.

Oh FFS, you don't have friends; you have a bunch of alt accounts which everyone knows about, and nobody of importance has been listening to any of their rants since you began this crap months ago.  You can keep wasting your energy if you like, but don't think you're convincing anyone about anything.

If you only have spent time to read thread instead writing wall of text which I stopped reading exactly here you would have seen what I am talking about.

True, but don't tell me you expect anything more from TOAA.  It's nonstop keyboard diarrhea, just like the flow from cryptohunter.  Not surprising.

[Blazed]

So what is the verdict on this new DT1 system? I looked through the current DT1 members and I am lost on how some of these guys are DT1. I am not complaining as I opted out of it and all, but am really curious if people feel things are better/worse/same etc...

[TheNewAnon135246]

So what is the verdict on this new DT1 system? I looked through the current DT1 members and I am lost on how some of these guys are DT1. I am not complaining as I opted out of it and all, but am really curious if people feel things are better/worse/same etc...

I think it's a joke. I share Theymos' opinion that the old system needed an overhaul but we've seen plenty of merit cycling and vote manipulation to get people into DT. At this point I think it would be better to completely remove DT.

[Timelord2067]

So what is the verdict on this new DT1 system? I looked through the current DT1 members and I am lost on how some of these guys are DT1. I am not complaining as I opted out of it and all, but am really curious if people feel things are better/worse/same etc...

You'll fit in quite nicely... 

I think it's a joke. I share Theymos' opinion that the old system needed an overhaul but we've seen plenty of merit cycling and vote manipulation to get people into DT. At this point I think it would be better to completely remove DT.

Says the guy who slapped me with retaliatory distrust after I gave a user merit when they called out TheNewAnon135246's racist posts...

Ironic - really.

@The Pharmacist @LoyceV @suchmoon @foxpup

[LoyceV]

So what is the verdict on this new DT1 system? I looked through the current DT1 members and I am lost on how some of these guys are DT1. I am not complaining as I opted out of it and all, but am really curious if people feel things are better/worse/same etc...

There's definitely more drama, and it involves more people now. Theymos wanted less retaliation, but I think it got worse. There's now DT-representation on local boards (which is good), but it often clashes when it reaches outside the local board. We've seen drama with "the Russians", and more recently "the Turkish": This thread was created yesterday, including an incorrect Flag. It's Opposed by people from many different countries, but Supported by 7 people from the same local board. I don't think people who use Flags for personal (hurt) feelings should be on DT.
I've seen good people voluntarily leave DT1, because they're done with the drama. In my opinion, those are the people who should stay, in order to help reduce the drama.
Even now, many people, including some on DT1, don't seem to know the difference between the Trust list and sent Feedback. It doesn't help that the forum uses the word "Trust" for both. That leads to Trust Selfscratchers: DT1-members who include (almost) every user who ever left them positive feedback on their Trust list. The #1 (not on DT1 this month) is Staff member Dabs, who's still included by theymos.

I've posted a few suggestions before, it won't fix everything, but I think it would make DT better if:
1. Each DT2-member needs at least 2 inclusions from DT1 (this would cut the number of DT2-members in half and make "Selfscratching" impossible without collusion)
2. Each DT2-member must have been active and posting in the past 6 months (this gets rid of abandoned accounts on DT2)
3. Getting banned should instantly remove a user from DT1/2, and their DT1-voting-power should be removed.

[TheNewAnon135246]

So what is the verdict on this new DT1 system? I looked through the current DT1 members and I am lost on how some of these guys are DT1. I am not complaining as I opted out of it and all, but am really curious if people feel things are better/worse/same etc...

You'll fit in quite nicely... 

I think it's a joke. I share Theymos' opinion that the old system needed an overhaul but we've seen plenty of merit cycling and vote manipulation to get people into DT. At this point I think it would be better to completely remove DT.

Says the guy who slapped me with retaliatory distrust after I gave a user merit when they called out TheNewAnon135246's racist posts...

Ironic - really.

@The Pharmacist @LoyceV @suchmoon @foxpup

I distrusted you for rewarding the cancerous behaviour of an obvious alt account (amongst other reasons). That is completely different from organizing voting random people into DT.

[Timelord2067]

I distrusted you for rewarding the cancerous behaviour of an obvious alt account (amongst other reasons). That is completely different from organizing voting random people into DT.

You *were* bigoted in your posts and you were called out by the UID you were attacking.

But you attacked/punished *me* instead?  Would you expect that kind of behaviour of others, or, just yourself?

[TheNewAnon135246]

I distrusted you for rewarding the cancerous behaviour of an obvious alt account (amongst other reasons). That is completely different from organizing voting random people into DT.

You *were* bigoted in your posts and you were called out by the UID you were attacking.

But you attacked/punished *me* instead?  Would you expect that kind of behaviour of others, or, just yourself?

I do not want to derail this topic so feel free to PM me if you want a further discussion. I replied to Xolxol's following post, and I quote: "Lauda might passed away hopefully,rest unpeacefully." Although my reply may have been unnecessary, his kind of behaviour provokes reactions. Xolxol is obviously an alt account and in pretty much every of his posts he insults and/or threatens people (including hoping that people die etc.). Apparently my 1 comment outweighs the continuous cancerous behaviour he has been displaying, resulting in merit rewards.