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January 02, 2025, 08:38:40 AM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)
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Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
    1. Staff gmaxwell (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (7848 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. Legendary Vod (Trust: +26 / =4 / -2) (2169 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. Legendary babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (3635 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. Legendary albon (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1297 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. Legendary Timelord2067 (Trust: +20 / =15 / -0) (1255 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. Hero Member hybridsole (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (301 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. Global Moderator hilariousandco (Trust: +24 / =1 / -0) (1731 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. Legendary Buchi-88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1784 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. Legendary Lesbian Cow (Trust: +58 / =1 / -1) (757 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. Legendary DaveF (Trust: +36 / =2 / -0) (6207 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   11. Legendary teeGUMES (Trust: +11 / =3 / -1) (975 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   12. Legendary irfan_pak10 (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (665 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   13. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (9736 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   14. Legendary ezeminer (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (118 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   15. Legendary Lafu (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (2941 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   16. Legendary finaleshot2016 (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (910 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   17. Legendary buwaytress (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (3231 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   18. Legendary JollyGood (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (1612 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   19. Legendary roycilik (Trust: +12 / =2 / -0) (1890 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   20. Legendary El duderino_ (Trust: +20 / =2 / -0) (13513 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   21. Legendary Best_Change (Trust: +25 / =8 / -1) (2185 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   22. Legendary joniboini (Trust: neutral) (1800 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   23. Legendary Maus0728 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1572 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   24. Legendary coinlocket$ (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (1507 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   25. Legendary witcher_sense (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (4419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   26. Sr. Member stoos (Trust: +1 / =0 / -1) (362 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   27. Legendary lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +26 / =3 / -0) (4569 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   28. Copper Member Harkorede (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (876 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   29. Legendary Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1429 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   30. Legendary Charles-Tim (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (5274 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   31. Hero Member Learn Bitcoin (Trust: +3 / =4 / -0) (1021 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
    1. Donator CanaryInTheMine (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (60 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. Legendary Foxpup (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (2445 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. Legendary ibminer (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (1966 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. Staff Mitchell (Trust: +53 / =1 / -0) (1349 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. Legendary vizique (Trust: +44 / =0 / -0) (642 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. Staff EFS (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (1240 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. Legendary stompix (Trust: neutral) (6145 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. Legendary willi9974 (Trust: +51 / =0 / -0) (2011 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. Legendary NeuroticFish (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (5633 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. Legendary Rmcdermott927 (Trust: +28 / =1 / -1) (140 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   11. Staff sapta (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (207 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   12. Legendary o_solo_miner (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (492 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   13. Legendary klarki (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (3203 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   14. Legendary SFR10 (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (2567 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   15. Legendary ekiller (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (670 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   16. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1973 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   17. Hero Member polymerbit (Trust: +17 / =0 / -0) (932 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   18. Sr. Member comit (Trust: +57 / =0 / -0) (81 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   19. Copper Member be.open (Trust: +0 / =2 / -5) (668 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   20. Legendary GreatArkansas (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1297 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   21. Legendary GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (7717 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   22. Copper Member Husna QA (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (3053 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   23. Legendary Bthd (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (2594 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   24. Copper Member DireWolfM14 (Trust: +21 / =1 / -0) (4701 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   25. Legendary notblox1 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1338 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   26. Legendary Little Mouse (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (2335 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   27. Copper Member rxalts (Trust: +35 / =0 / -0) (353 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   28. Hero Member Awaklara (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (699 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   29. Legendary NotATether (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (7502 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   30. Hero Member YodasRedRocket (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (611 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   31. Hero Member bastisisca (Trust: neutral) (672 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

The last one is a weird addition to DT1: this user hasn't left a single feedback rating, but is included by 11 users:
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Trust list for: bastisisca (Trust: neutral) (672 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2024-12-28_Sat_04.28h)
Back to index

bastisisca's judgement is Trusted by:
1. babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3630 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. giammangiato (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1345 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (860 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. xenomorfo (Trust: neutral) (136 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. verdinio (Trust: neutral) (103 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. cande86 (Trust: neutral) (39 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. pewboy (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. aipercoin (Trust: neutral) (18 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. banana33 (Trust: neutral) (45 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. changaa (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. martinom (Trust: neutral) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

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January 02, 2025, 05:17:15 PM
 #2862

The last one is a weird addition to DT1: this user hasn't left a single feedback rating, but is included by 11 users:

What's also weird is most of the low-merited users that include that account haven't left any trust ratings, except when responding to ratings left on their account. 8 of the accounts created trust lists in Weeks 300 to 303, and the contents of the lists are largely the same. I dunno if this kind of coordination is ultimately for DT padding, trust score padding, or both, but that's what it looks like.

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January 02, 2025, 05:20:24 PM
 #2863

The last one is a weird addition to DT1: this user hasn't left a single feedback rating, but is included by 11 users:

What's also weird is most of the low-merited users that include that account haven't left any trust ratings, except when responding to ratings left on their account. 8 of the accounts created trust lists in Weeks 300 to 303, and the contents of the lists are largely the same. I dunno if this kind of coordination is ultimately for DT padding, trust score padding, or both, but that's what it looks like.

Those 11 users are Italian. I wonder if chad fillippone can enlighten us.

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January 02, 2025, 06:11:26 PM
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 #2864

The last one is a weird addition to DT1: this user hasn't left a single feedback rating, but is included by 11 users:

What's also weird is most of the low-merited users that include that account haven't left any trust ratings, except when responding to ratings left on their account. 8 of the accounts created trust lists in Weeks 300 to 303, and the contents of the lists are largely the same. I dunno if this kind of coordination is ultimately for DT padding, trust score padding, or both, but that's what it looks like.

Those 11 users are Italian. I wonder if chad fillippone can enlighten us.
Hey, I have been summoned into this discussion and I had to reread a few messages back to understand what we are talking about.

I have no particular insight to add: I know a little about those users, but they are writing on the Italian board and, of course, have been merited multiple times by me because of the quality of their post.

In particular regarding the DT1 I am not aware of any scheme or coordination.
The only thing I can say is that I usually encourage the fill of the DT list:

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Quindi per la nostra sezione abbiamo:
Membri della board italiana confermati in DT1: (3)

Code:
babo
bitbollo
fillippone

Membri della board italiana rimossi dalla DT1: (1)

Code:
gbianchi

Membri della board italiana aggiunti alla DT1: (2)

Code:
Ale88
coinlocket$

Solo 5 membri questo mese!
C'è poco da fare, essendo un'estrazione casuale.



Che cosa è la DT1?
Tutto quello che avreste voluto sapere sul Default Trust System e non avete mai osato chiedere;
[INFO] TRUST. Come funziona il sistema di feedback


Quindi per la nostra sezione abbiamo:
Membri della board italiana confermati in DT1: (5)

Code:
Ale88
arulbero
babo
coinlocket$
fillippone

Membri della board italiana rimossi dalla DT1: (1)

Code:
gbianchi

Membri della board italiana aggiunti alla DT1: (4)

Code:
bastisisca
bitbollo
giammangiato
mendace

Ben 9 membri questo mese! Secondo me è il record!



Che cosa è la DT1?
Tutto quello che avreste voluto sapere sul Default Trust System e non avete mai osato chiedere;
[INFO] TRUST. Come funziona il sistema di feedback

The same thing was done by Babo when he took this monthly update.

So, maybe those users decided to compile their DT list and, fulfilling all the other criteria, became selected by Theymos.

I have little to add to this.
If you discover some coordination effort, I don't know what to say. I am unsure if it is against the rules, but I will look into the evidence. 
If those accounts are alts of a game person, there would probably be some merit cycling between them that is at least frowned upon, and of course, I would be happy to discover such a situation.
Otherwise, I must only be happy there is more variety in DT1: I think this was one of the targets of this procedure, wasn't it?

 


 

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January 02, 2025, 06:18:45 PM
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 #2865

If you discover some coordination effort, I don't know what to say. I am unsure if it is against the rules, but I will look into the evidence.
I don't think coordinating or even campaigning for Trust inclusions (or exclusions) is a problem. From the OP:
In borderline cases, it should result in something of a political battle.
It would be nice though if they follow the basics, and List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists.

If those accounts are alts of a game person, there would probably be some merit cycling between them that is at least frowned upon, and of course, I would be happy to discover such a situation.
If sockpuppet accounts help push someone onto DT1, theymos theymos will blacklist them from DT1-selection if found out.

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Otherwise, I must only be happy there is more variety in DT1: I think this was one of the targets of this procedure, wasn't it?
It's kinda useless to have DT1-users who never sent any feedback.

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January 02, 2025, 06:38:12 PM
 #2866

If you discover some coordination effort, I don't know what to say. I am unsure if it is against the rules, but I will look into the evidence.
I don't think coordinating or even campaigning for Trust inclusions (or exclusions) is a problem. From the OP:
In borderline cases, it should result in something of a political battle.
It would be nice though if they follow the basics, and List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists.

If those accounts are alts of a game person, there would probably be some merit cycling between them that is at least frowned upon, and of course, I would be happy to discover such a situation.
If sockpuppet accounts help push someone onto DT1, theymos theymos will blacklist them from DT1-selection if found out.

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Otherwise, I must only be happy there is more variety in DT1: I think this was one of the targets of this procedure, wasn't it?
It's kinda useless to have DT1-users who never sent any feedback.

In the message linked in my monthly review of DT1 reshuffles, there is a translation (by yours truly)of your Guide on how to use the Trust System properly.
So, I agree with everything you said, and above all, DT inclusion should be based on the trust of a particular user.
Yet, Feedback metrics are not included in the criteria for DT inclusion.
Maybe theymos will be inspired by this and amend the rules.
Until then, I haven't much to say, and if a political battle will emerge, I am not sure I will be too interested in taking sides.
Of course, if something filthy emerges, I will be very interested.
 

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January 02, 2025, 08:55:49 PM
 #2867

In the message linked in my monthly review of DT1 reshuffles, there is a translation (by yours truly)of your Guide on how to use the Trust System properly.
So, I agree with everything you said, and above all, DT inclusion should be based on the trust of a particular user.
Yet, Feedback metrics are not included in the criteria for DT inclusion.
Maybe theymos will be inspired by this and amend the rules.
Until then, I haven't much to say, and if a political battle will emerge, I am not sure I will be too interested in taking sides.
Of course, if something filthy emerges, I will be very interested.

What you write here makes a lot of sense, but looking at it objectively, there is no way to tell if a user's trust feedback will be accurate/helpful or not if they've never left any feedback. Is it a good idea to add users to a trust list based on their trust list alone, and just trust they would leave helpful feedback if/when they did? I'm trying to be purely objective about it.

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Otherwise, I must only be happy there is more variety in DT1: I think this was one of the targets of this procedure, wasn't it?
It's kinda useless to have DT1-users who never sent any feedback.

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I resemble that statement... at least my own is pretty damned low.. relatively speaking.

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Lol. Good point: 66 inclusions and 8 Sent feedbacks.

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In the message linked in my monthly review of DT1 reshuffles, there is a translation (by yours truly)of your Guide on how to use the Trust System properly.
So, I agree with everything you said, and above all, DT inclusion should be based on the trust of a particular user.
Yet, Feedback metrics are not included in the criteria for DT inclusion.
Maybe theymos will be inspired by this and amend the rules.
Until then, I haven't much to say, and if a political battle will emerge, I am not sure I will be too interested in taking sides.
Of course, if something filthy emerges, I will be very interested.


now i keep the monthly report of the trust, i didn't think it was a bad thing to keep a report seeing what LoyceV does i thought it was legitimate.
If i am making a mistake in any way in reporting please let me know and i will stop doing what i started doing.
It honestly seems to me that there is nothing wrong with making a report.

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January 03, 2025, 02:55:52 PM
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now i keep the monthly report of the trust, i didn't think it was a bad thing to keep a report seeing what LoyceV does i thought it was legitimate.
If i am making a mistake in any way in reporting please let me know and i will stop doing what i started doing.
It honestly seems to me that there is nothing wrong with making a report.

What we were talking about that is questionable by you and 10 other Italian users is to include in your trust list someone who has not left a single feedback.

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Trust list for: bastisisca (Trust: neutral) (672 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2024-12-28_Sat_04.28h)
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bastisisca's judgement is Trusted by:
1. babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3630 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. giammangiato (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1345 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (860 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. xenomorfo (Trust: neutral) (136 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. verdinio (Trust: neutral) (103 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. cande86 (Trust: neutral) (39 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. pewboy (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. aipercoin (Trust: neutral) (18 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. banana33 (Trust: neutral) (45 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. changaa (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. martinom (Trust: neutral) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

The last one is a weird addition to DT1: this user hasn't left a single feedback rating, but is included by 11 users:

What's also weird is most of the low-merited users that include that account haven't left any trust ratings, except when responding to ratings left on their account. 8 of the accounts created trust lists in Weeks 300 to 303, and the contents of the lists are largely the same. I dunno if this kind of coordination is ultimately for DT padding, trust score padding, or both, but that's what it looks like.

Although looking at his trust list I see that it is mostly a thing of including you each other among the regulars on the Italian local board, is that so?

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now i keep the monthly report of the trust, i didn't think it was a bad thing to keep a report seeing what LoyceV does i thought it was legitimate.
If i am making a mistake in any way in reporting please let me know and i will stop doing what i started doing.
It honestly seems to me that there is nothing wrong with making a report.

What we were talking about that is questionable by you and 10 other Italian users is to include in your trust list someone who has not left a single feedback.

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Trust list for: bastisisca (Trust: neutral) (672 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2024-12-28_Sat_04.28h)
Back to index

bastisisca's judgement is Trusted by:
1. babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 3630 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. giammangiato (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1345 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (860 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. xenomorfo (Trust: neutral) (136 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. verdinio (Trust: neutral) (103 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. cande86 (Trust: neutral) (39 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. pewboy (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. aipercoin (Trust: neutral) (18 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. banana33 (Trust: neutral) (45 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. changaa (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. martinom (Trust: neutral) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

The last one is a weird addition to DT1: this user hasn't left a single feedback rating, but is included by 11 users:

What's also weird is most of the low-merited users that include that account haven't left any trust ratings, except when responding to ratings left on their account. 8 of the accounts created trust lists in Weeks 300 to 303, and the contents of the lists are largely the same. I dunno if this kind of coordination is ultimately for DT padding, trust score padding, or both, but that's what it looks like.

Although looking at his trust list I see that it is mostly a thing of including you each other among the regulars on the Italian local board, is that so?

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Is this something prohibited?

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January 03, 2025, 03:02:17 PM
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...

Although looking at his trust list I see that it is mostly a thing of including you each other among the regulars on the Italian local board, is that so?

I saw that i was quoted, i would like to remind you how the trust system works, perhaps i recommend you re-read it.
Trusts are released if and only if you make trades, if you don't make trades you don't release trusts.
Second, everyone can decide to trust who they deem appropriate. Or not to trust.

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I understand
Is this something prohibited?

It's not prohibited, but whoever brought attention to this wrote the following thread:

LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

So he does know what he is talking about.

You might find people excluding you from their trust list for that, for including people lightly.

...

Although looking at his trust list I see that it is mostly a thing of including you each other among the regulars on the Italian local board, is that so?

I saw that i was quoted, i would like to remind you how the trust system works, perhaps i recommend you re-read it.
Trusts are released if and only if you make trades, if you don't make trades you don't release trusts.
Second, everyone can decide to trust who they deem appropriate. Or not to trust.

Read the thread I quoted to learn the difference between leaving feedback and including people on your trust list. You need to.

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Last edit: January 03, 2025, 10:11:18 PM by Mr. Big
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 #2875

Read the thread I quoted to learn the difference between leaving feedback and including people on your trust list. You need to.

Thank you, i read for sure. Have a nice day
I think I didn't misinterpret the feedback system and in any case I decided to trust some people
I don't think I did anything wrong, or rather it's how I interpreted the trust system
and I don't think this creates problems, in my trust list there are respectable people




Guys, I'm not interested in being on the DT1 list, not at all
I will ask the local Italian section to remove me, I didn't ask for anything you can look at the history

update: i officially ask to remove myself from their trust list -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5525161.0


update2: i sent a pm at all excluded who write here

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January 03, 2025, 04:35:21 PM
Last edit: January 03, 2025, 04:52:34 PM by LoyceV
Merited by fillippone (3)
 #2876

Guys, I'm not interested in being on the DT1 list, not at all
You can ask theymos to be removed from DT1-selection, several people have done that successfully.

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I will ask the local Italian section to remove me
Marlboroza did that in 2019, and he's still on DT2. But he actually left a lot of good feedback, so people (including me) want to see it.

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update: i officially ask to remove myself from their trust list -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5525161.0
I posted a link to the Italian translation of my Trust guide.



Note that I know nothing about you, and I can't read your Italian posts. I only highlighted your account as it caught my attention in this monthly data dump.
May I ask you to reconsider being blacklisted from DT1?
The fact that you're not interested in DT1 makes me believe you could be the right person to be on DT1, if you spend some time reading how the trust system works and how it's supposed to be used. DT1 can be used for good or for evil, and if you use it for good, you can help improve your local board. But if you're on DT1, it should be for the right reasons.

To make DT1 more decentralized, it's important that more users create a custom Trust list.

¡uʍop ǝpᴉsdn pɐǝɥ ɹnoʎ ɥʇᴉʍ ʎuunɟ ʞool no⅄
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January 03, 2025, 04:47:08 PM
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@LoyceV  look, let's make a compromise
if you see you are in my trust list from many months i trust you
in the meantime I asked to remove me from their trust list

if at the next update I'm still DT1 I'll ask theymos to remove me, it won't cost me anything anyway

I hope this fixes the problem, rereading the guide I realized I misunderstood

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January 03, 2025, 04:50:39 PM
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@LoyceV  look, let's make a compromise
if you see you are in my trust list from many months i trust your judgement on others
I fixed it for you. This is what it means.

To quote myself:
Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback: leave feedback to people you trust or don't trust. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (username) or don't trust (~username).



I'm going to make spaghetti now Smiley

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January 13, 2025, 01:08:52 PM
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I guess the case can be archived now:

Trust list for: bastisisca (Trust: neutral) (DT1 (-1) 679 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2025-01-11_Sat_04.28h)
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bastisisca Trusts these users' judgement:
1. babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (3703 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. gbianchi (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1962 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. LoyceV (Trust: +31 / =1 / -0) (16915 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. hymperion (Trust: neutral) (517 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Hhampuz (Trust: +140 / =4 / -0) (5758 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. giammangiato (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1354 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. Ale88 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2667 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. duesoldi (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (2390 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. icopress (Trust: +62 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (26) 9534 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. Plutosky (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (4376 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. conilmionome (Trust: neutral) (1105 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Paolo.Demidov (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (2408 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. fillippone (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 17217 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. mendace (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (625 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (860 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. xenomorfo (Trust: neutral) (144 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. verdinio (Trust: neutral) (109 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. giorgione (Trust: neutral) (129 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

bastisisca Distrusts these users' judgement:
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bastisisca's judgement is Trusted by:
1. Removed babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (3703 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Lillominato89 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (860 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~bastisisca's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Mitchell (Trust: +52 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (21) 1352 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)


Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

In the end, if a user has so naively misunderstood the rules for DT1, we should probably try to convey the message of the Trust system.
LoyceV made a guide on this, and I translated it in my language, but some more guidance is probably needed.

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January 13, 2025, 02:12:29 PM
Merited by Free Market Capitalist (1)
 #2880

~if a user has so naively misunderstood the rules for DT1~
I'm more and more thinking the entire Trust system is too complicated. By now, I think I have a pretty good understanding of how it works, but it's far too much for the majority of users to fully understand the ins and outs. That's why people intuitively use it in a different way.

¡uʍop ǝpᴉsdn pɐǝɥ ɹnoʎ ɥʇᴉʍ ʎuunɟ ʞool no⅄
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