[ANN][BTL] Bitleu - Romanian investment cryptocurrency - ASIC-MultiPool proof !

[lumberinvestments]

You know just as well as anyone in Romania that a valid cnp doesn't imply there is a person alive who has that cnp number.
I can generate 1000 CNP with a simple script that would be valid , but probably less that 1% would identify a real person.

Can you also show 1000 valid ID's when you redeem your BTL ?

As you know, your CNP is on your ID. How hard would it be to be required to actualy show you ID when you redeem your BTL ?

care to elaborate this process?
and a quick estimate on the manpower required?

That manpower will be minimized significantly if the spread will be done in some years with no sudden Airdrop. Some people are still not observing that this is not a speculative coin like Aurora. It is a coin that will have real projects behind, that will offer something to people !

My previous message was saying that we will not just accept some generated CNP. Probably a person will check the ID. Of course, we can't guarantee that the shown ID will not be a fake, but showing a fake ID will happen rarely in Romania as of now.

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[andrey82]

It was just an ideea.

CNP is like SSN. As SSN, everyone's unique CNP is written on his ID card.

Allthougth you can generate a CNP with an algorithm, you can not make fake ID cards for those ID's.

You know just as well as anyone in Romania that a valid cnp doesn't imply there is a person alive who has that cnp number.
I can generate 1000 CNP with a simple script that would be valid , but probably less that 1% would identify a real person.

Can you also show 1000 valid ID's when you redeem your BTL ?

As you know, your CNP is on your ID. How hard would it be to be required to actualy show you ID when you redeem your BTL ?

care to elaborate this process?
and a quick estimate on the manpower required?

[lumberinvestments]

It was just an ideea.

CNP is like SSN. As SSN, everyone's unique CNP is written on his ID card.

Allthougth you can generate a CNP with an algorithm, you can not make fake ID cards for those ID's.

You know just as well as anyone in Romania that a valid cnp doesn't imply there is a person alive who has that cnp number.
I can generate 1000 CNP with a simple script that would be valid , but probably less that 1% would identify a real person.

Can you also show 1000 valid ID's when you redeem your BTL ?

As you know, your CNP is on your ID. How hard would it be to be required to actualy show you ID when you redeem your BTL ?

care to elaborate this process?
and a quick estimate on the manpower required?

Well done and true !

Everybody, please stay with us, there will be a big project announced this week, a coin redesign and many changed things including a real company behind it. Do not sell your BTL for cheap, just a friendly advice.
We are a real team now behind this project with hundreds of daily e-mail communication and planning.

[c-cex]

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[Teodor]

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[Palaxidon]

equal bla bla bla bla...
Will the only verification be the cnp number or not?

Are human being or something different 
It will be a big change, including the team behind the coin, so please be patient and please stop bleating and barking but speak normal. Thank you for your patience and normal behavior. Appreciated!

First thing first...
The team or the previous team posted a big piece of crap.
The one I quoted above.

There is no way in Romania to verify a CNP for a normal person , only the government can.
I can generate 100 valid cnp numbers with two clicks.

So , that garbage above has to go if you want to be 1% credible with the airdrop . otherwise , it's just a turn off for anyone having a clue about romania.

I feel same. I have romanian friends... .

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bitleu what a strange name

[niothor]

You know just as well as anyone in Romania that a valid cnp doesn't imply there is a person alive who has that cnp number.
I can generate 1000 CNP with a simple script that would be valid , but probably less that 1% would identify a real person.

Can you also show 1000 valid ID's when you redeem your BTL ?

As you know, your CNP is on your ID. How hard would it be to be required to actualy show you ID when you redeem your BTL ?

care to elaborate this process?
and a quick estimate on the manpower required?

That manpower will be minimized significantly if the spread will be done in some years with no sudden Airdrop. Some people are still not observing that this is not a speculative coin like Aurora. It is a coin that will have real projects behind, that will offer something to people !

My previous message was saying that we will not just accept some generated CNP. Probably a person will check the ID. Of course, we can't guarantee that the shown ID will not be a fake, but showing a fake ID will happen rarely in Romania as of now.

If there is human checking involved in the process , even over "years" it is a general failure.
Doing a check a minute a person won't be able to do more than 500 a day /that's 10 000 month and 120 000 a year.
So you'll need 200 employees working full time at a crazy speed to finish it a year.

It will cost you over 100 000 in wages alone .

Human verification is out of the question , is pure madness.

[lumberinvestments]

bitleu what a strange name

Leu has been the currency of Romania for many years now.
The Bit part it means what we all know.

If you would translate it into English, you could call it BitLion.

BitLion - The King of crypto-currencies !

[lumberinvestments]

You know just as well as anyone in Romania that a valid cnp doesn't imply there is a person alive who has that cnp number.
I can generate 1000 CNP with a simple script that would be valid , but probably less that 1% would identify a real person.

Can you also show 1000 valid ID's when you redeem your BTL ?

As you know, your CNP is on your ID. How hard would it be to be required to actualy show you ID when you redeem your BTL ?

care to elaborate this process?
and a quick estimate on the manpower required?

That manpower will be minimized significantly if the spread will be done in some years with no sudden Airdrop. Some people are still not observing that this is not a speculative coin like Aurora. It is a coin that will have real projects behind, that will offer something to people !

My previous message was saying that we will not just accept some generated CNP. Probably a person will check the ID. Of course, we can't guarantee that the shown ID will not be a fake, but showing a fake ID will happen rarely in Romania as of now.

If there is human checking involved in the process , even over "years" it is a general failure.
Doing a check a minute a person won't be able to do more than 500 a day /that's 10 000 month and 120 000 a year.
So you'll need 200 employees working full time at a crazy speed to finish it a year.

It will cost you over 100 000 in wages alone .

Human verification is out of the question , is pure madness.

200 people that will do this and they will have an income from doing it, is pure madness ? What about you wake up to reality ?
Creating a job and paying a salary to a group of people it's not called madness, but thoughtfulness.

Ripping people off and profiting from their hard work is madness and selfish behaviour. Usually that's how things go in Romania. The government, the banks and some financial institutions, including big corporations do that.

[niothor]

You know just as well as anyone in Romania that a valid cnp doesn't imply there is a person alive who has that cnp number.
I can generate 1000 CNP with a simple script that would be valid , but probably less that 1% would identify a real person.

Can you also show 1000 valid ID's when you redeem your BTL ?

As you know, your CNP is on your ID. How hard would it be to be required to actualy show you ID when you redeem your BTL ?

care to elaborate this process?
and a quick estimate on the manpower required?

That manpower will be minimized significantly if the spread will be done in some years with no sudden Airdrop. Some people are still not observing that this is not a speculative coin like Aurora. It is a coin that will have real projects behind, that will offer something to people !

My previous message was saying that we will not just accept some generated CNP. Probably a person will check the ID. Of course, we can't guarantee that the shown ID will not be a fake, but showing a fake ID will happen rarely in Romania as of now.

If there is human checking involved in the process , even over "years" it is a general failure.
Doing a check a minute a person won't be able to do more than 500 a day /that's 10 000 month and 120 000 a year.
So you'll need 200 employees working full time at a crazy speed to finish it a year.

It will cost you over 100 000 in wages alone .

Human verification is out of the question , is pure madness.

200 people that will do this and they will have an income from doing it, is pure madness ? What about you wake up to reality ?
Creating a job and paying a salary to a group of people it's not called madness, but thoughtfulness.

Ripping people off and profiting from their hard work is madness and selfish behaviour. Usually that's how things go in Romania. The government, the banks and some financial institutions, including big corporations do that.

And from where will those money come? And those are only wages , equipment  , the space rent , and much more.
Do you know how much that will end up costing ?
Are you ready to throw 1,5 million euros at least on something that might not be worth 100 euros by the time of the air drop?

Human cheeking is a bad idea
Why pay 200 people the job that a computer might be able to do it.

[andrey82]

It was argued that some persons migth be tempted to fool around with an informatic verification proces, because there is an agloritm that permits to generate valid CNP's.

The dev team could always ask people to send scaned copies of theyr ID cards as proof. But that is way wrong, since crypto currencies should be 100% anonimous.

I believe sugestions are verry welcomed to find an honest drop.

[niothor]

It was argued that some persons migth be tempted to fool around with an informatic verification proces, because there is an agloritm that permits to generate valid CNP's.

The dev team could always ask people to send scaned copies of theyr ID cards as proof. But that is way wrong, since crypto currencies should be 100% anonimous.

I believe sugestions are verry welcomed to find an honest drop.

This is the problem , you't identify and filter out scammers while keeping the users 100% anonymous.
The solution has to be somewhere in the middle.

But , with the current system in romania , where nobody knows for sure how many we really are it's going to be pretty tough

[andrey82]

I believe the team whould need acces to gov data in order to resolve the problem without seing ID cards.

And that I am pretty sure they cannot have (gov data I mean).

Of course there are other methods too, but off the grid. That can not be done (for obvious reasons).

It was argued that some persons migth be tempted to fool around with an informatic verification proces, because there is an agloritm that permits to generate valid CNP's.

The dev team could always ask people to send scaned copies of theyr ID cards as proof. But that is way wrong, since crypto currencies should be 100% anonimous.

I believe sugestions are verry welcomed to find an honest drop.

This is the problem , you't identify and filter out scammers while keeping the users 100% anonymous.
The solution has to be somewhere in the middle.

But , with the current system in romania , where nobody knows for sure how many we really are it's going to be pretty tough

[niothor]

I believe the team whould need acces to gov data in order to resolve the problem without seing ID cards.

And that I am pretty sure they cannot have (gov data I mean).

Of course there are other methods too, but off the grid. That can not be done (for obvious reasons).

Well , even access to the so called gov data won't be of much help. You know how the last count ended.
Not me and none of my neighbors were counted in the last census.

[andrey82]

I believe the team whould need acces to gov data in order to resolve the problem without seing ID cards.

And that I am pretty sure they cannot have (gov data I mean).

Of course there are other methods too, but off the grid. That can not be done (for obvious reasons).

Well , even access to the so called gov data won't be of much help. You know how the last count ended.
Not me and none of my neighbors were counted in the last census.

If you were not counted for, does not mean you do not have a valid ID card. These data the gov has, and acces to that data could get the necesary confirmation. But as I said, it is imposible to have acces to such data.

[niothor]

I believe the team whould need acces to gov data in order to resolve the problem without seing ID cards.

And that I am pretty sure they cannot have (gov data I mean).

Of course there are other methods too, but off the grid. That can not be done (for obvious reasons).

Well , even access to the so called gov data won't be of much help. You know how the last count ended.
Not me and none of my neighbors were counted in the last census.

If you were not counted for, does not mean you do not have a valid ID card. These data the gov has, and acces to that data could get the necesary confirmation. But as I said, it is imposible to have acces to such data.

Google cnp identic , you will find a lot of news about the reliability of our government database.
And those are just the cases that have made the news , how many will be for real there....

And our database is a piece of crap , trust me. I spent 1 hour when a police officer tried to confirm my identity with they new devices.
They had the wrong address , and it was a spelling mistake from my last one not my current (which i have changed 6 years ago).

Somebody will come up with a better idea , or some other coin creator will have one we can replicate...
But as you said there will be no help for the government and human verification is out of the question

[bigjme]

wait, so the drop is going to be in paper form i expect? as not everyone will have a pc for their wallet
to get the paper bitleu to the people you need their address, or somewhere for them to go to pick up the money....

unless you guys are literally going to fly a plane over and drop the money out the sky, you wont be able to give it to anyone without a central location to do so.
and if they have to go somewhere to pick up the funds, they may aswell show id while they are there

[lumberinvestments]

You know just as well as anyone in Romania that a valid cnp doesn't imply there is a person alive who has that cnp number.
I can generate 1000 CNP with a simple script that would be valid , but probably less that 1% would identify a real person.

Can you also show 1000 valid ID's when you redeem your BTL ?

As you know, your CNP is on your ID. How hard would it be to be required to actualy show you ID when you redeem your BTL ?

care to elaborate this process?
and a quick estimate on the manpower required?

That manpower will be minimized significantly if the spread will be done in some years with no sudden Airdrop. Some people are still not observing that this is not a speculative coin like Aurora. It is a coin that will have real projects behind, that will offer something to people !

My previous message was saying that we will not just accept some generated CNP. Probably a person will check the ID. Of course, we can't guarantee that the shown ID will not be a fake, but showing a fake ID will happen rarely in Romania as of now.

If there is human checking involved in the process , even over "years" it is a general failure.
Doing a check a minute a person won't be able to do more than 500 a day /that's 10 000 month and 120 000 a year.
So you'll need 200 employees working full time at a crazy speed to finish it a year.

It will cost you over 100 000 in wages alone .

Human verification is out of the question , is pure madness.

200 people that will do this and they will have an income from doing it, is pure madness ? What about you wake up to reality ?
Creating a job and paying a salary to a group of people it's not called madness, but thoughtfulness.

Ripping people off and profiting from their hard work is madness and selfish behaviour. Usually that's how things go in Romania. The government, the banks and some financial institutions, including big corporations do that.

And from where will those money come? And those are only wages , equipment  , the space rent , and much more.
Do you know how much that will end up costing ?
Are you ready to throw 1,5 million euros at least on something that might not be worth 100 euros by the time of the air drop?

Human cheeking is a bad idea
Why pay 200 people the job that a computer might be able to do it.

I think you are not reading the posts. There will be no sudden airdrop. There is no need of 1.5 million euro spent in one day. In fact the people will see a value in BitLeu until then and it will be paid in BitLeu.
You can't secure spreading money by using a computer. There has to be a human checking, same as in a good quality captcha.

Where the money will come from it is not a big problem as of now. If the BitLeu will value 2 dollars each, I am sure there will be a lot of people that have a personal company (PFA) willing to do the checking of ID for 3 BTL each person. Depends how you see it. If you want to make something possible, you need to think a lot and come up with ideas on how to do it. Then just do it.

Human checking is not a bad idea in my opinion. It is a must.

[91porn]

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