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February 10, 2019, 10:53:00 AM
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My questions to the community:
1. Should we individuals in Bitcointalk still endorse / recommend / advertise cloudbet?
2. What happen if anyone endorse / recommend / advertise cloudbet?
Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal unsolvedThere are more... I also posted the users who are advertising cloudbet even while they have all these open scam accusation but unfortunately the post was deleted however here is the copy. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Kriptopsina left me a message and updated his post Hey. Sorry for my english, this is not my native language. I saw the topic of fraud at cloudbet and your message about my recall. It is very bad that they behave this way. It is unexpected for me. I won two free contests from this company and translated topics with contests to the Russian-speaking forum thread. I thought it was interesting. Today I indicated in my topics that the community is suspected of fraud, and asked users not to transfer their money to them. Post in Russian from one of my topics ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098825.msg49286273#msg49286273) BHИMAHИE!
B дaнный мoмeнт к кoмпaнии Cloudbet пpeдъявлeны cepьeзныe oбвинeния в нeyплaтe бoльшиx выигpышeй. Пoэтoмy я нe coвeтyю вaм (дo oкoнчaния paccлeдoвaния) внocить cpeдcтвa нa cчeтa кoмпaнии. Учacтиe в кoнкypce бecплaтнoe, пoэтoмy нe pиcкyйтe cвoими дeньгaми. ( cм. oтзывы в trust)
Я являюcь вceгo лишь пepeвoдчикoм opигинaльнoй тeмы нa дoбpoвoльныx нaчaлax и нe имeю ни мaлeйшeгo oтнoшeния к дaннoй кoмпaнии, нo являюcь пoклoнникoм иx БECПЛATHЫX кoнкypcoв, пpизepoм кoтopыx yжe cтaнoвилcя caм. Translate: ATTENTION!
At the moment, Cloudbet has been seriously accused of not paying big wins. Therefore, I do not advise you (until the end of the investigation) to deposit funds into the company's accounts. Participation in the competition is free, so do not risk your money. (see reviews in trust
I am just a translator of the original topic on a voluntary basis and have no relation to this company, but I am a fan of their FREE contests, the winner of which has already become. Do you think this is enough? I just checked but can not see the warning message anymore. krogothmanhattan left me a message and acknowledged Yeah I just read that they are being accused of being scammers. I did not know that. Will stay away from them. Thanks
I hope he will update his topic or completely remove any recommendation for cloudbet. Hhampuz - I guess already done. hilariousandco - Is he just ignoring everything? I still see his endorsement in his topic. As a global moderator that's something very wrong.
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February 10, 2019, 11:14:01 AM |
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My question to the community is that - Should we still endorse/recommend/advertise cloudbet?
1. if you want people to answer a question, don't hide it deep below a long post, I almost didn't find it  2. "we as a community" don't endorse any service (well, maybe Bitcoin itself). Individuals do. 3. even without looking into the allegations any deeper, given the sheer number, I believe it may be wise for individuals to no longer endorse cloudbet. 4. wether this warrants any "stronger" response like e.g. negative trust is another question, I don't feel adequate to answer. |
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February 10, 2019, 11:18:59 AM |
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My question to the community is that - Should we still endorse/recommend/advertise cloudbet?
1. if you want people to answer a question, don't hide it deep below a long post, I almost didn't find it My bad, now it's at the top with highlighting  2. "we as a community" don't endorse any service (well, maybe Bitcoin itself). Individuals do. I rewrote my question. Thank you. |
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hilariousandco - Is he just ignoring everything? I still see his endorsement in his topic. As a global moderator that's something very wrong.
That was originally "Bitcointalk's English Premier League Football Pool" which was renamed to "Cloudbet's English Premier League Football Pool" later. I don't remember any more how much funds Cloudbet added because I left it long time ago. Hilariousandco should probably rename it back to "bitcointalk's pool" until Cloudbet resolve scam accusations. |
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February 10, 2019, 06:05:38 PM |
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I just checked but can not see the warning message anymore.
Everything is very simple. I removed the warning message because I saw that the Cloudbet trust had become neutral. Instead, I posted a post in my topic: translatePlaying in a casino or betting office is always risky, so every user should understand that the responsibility lies only with him.
Before starting the game, learn about the history, trust and reviews of Cloudbet. originalИгpa в кaзинo или в бюpo cтaвoк вceгдa cвязaнa c pиcкoм, пoэтoмy кaждый пoльзoвaтeль дoлжeн пoнимaть, чтo oтвeтcтвeннocть лeжит тoлькo нa нeм.
Пepeд нaчaлoм игpы изyчaйтe иcтopию, тpacт и oтзывы o кoнтope Cloudbet . But now I retern a warning message back because today marlboroza has made the Cloudbet company's trust negative. Sorry for my english. |
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I find it interesting that almost all claims of scam against cloudbet come from newbies. Very few from established bitcointalk accounts. Sure I think it's possible all of these accounts are actually new members, but the majority of them? It makes me suspicious that most of these claims are frivolous.
Also it's worth noting that several of these "withdraw scam" claims are commonly addressed when the customer submits KYC. I don't blame folks for not wanting to comply with KYC requirements, but then don't use the service.
Cludbet is one of the biggest online crypto casinos. It's bound to have a few detractors, or those who are unhappy with the service they receive, considering how many customers they have.
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I find it interesting that almost all claims of scam against cloudbet come from newbies. Very few from established bitcointalk accounts. Sure I think it's possible all of these accounts are actually new members, but the majority of them? It makes me suspicious that most of these claims are frivolous.
Most established accounts here aren't betting, and if they are, they aren't playing very high stakes. |
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February 10, 2019, 06:49:59 PM |
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I find it interesting that almost all claims of scam against cloudbet come from newbies. Very few from established bitcointalk accounts. Sure I think it's possible all of these accounts are actually new members, but the majority of them? It makes me suspicious that most of these claims are frivolous.
Most established accounts here aren't betting, and if they are, they aren't playing very high stakes. I always thought gambling was a tax on people who are bad at math. Maybe arithmetic is lost on the younger members? |
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@DireWolfM14 not all threads are real scam accusations. Some threads are questions like " is Cloudbet scam?", I noticed one scam accusation where player didn't want to share their account name even asked several times by Cloudbet, most scam accusations are resolved and in some cases player cheated site (created account and then created another account using referral link of their first account). I always thought gambling was a tax on people who are bad at math. Maybe arithmetic is lost on the younger members?
Thrill, excitement, chance to win... Players who beat house and have won life changing amounts exist but they are extremely rare. But yeah, mostly tax on... |
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February 10, 2019, 07:36:51 PM
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I always thought gambling was a tax on people who are bad at math. Maybe arithmetic is lost on the younger members?
LOL! Can't disagree with your assessment. What is it that makes people think casino owners must be in the business of giving money away? Maybe it helps in my case because I know I suck at gambling. How can I be so sure? I ALWAYS get invited to poker night. @DireWolfM14 not all threads are real scam accusations. Some threads are questions like "is Cloudbet scam?", I noticed one scam accusation where player didn't want to share their account name even asked several times by Cloudbet, most scam accusations are resolved and in some cases player cheated site (created account and then created another account using referral link of their first account). That's what I've been seeing as well. I'm still waiting for valid and irrefutable evidence of a scam. The number of threads about cloudbet being a scam is really only evidence how many users the platform has. Thrill, excitement, chance to win... Players who beat house and have won life changing amounts exist but they are extremely rare. But yeah, mostly tax on... That's really what it is. Unfortunate for those who participate; the majority tend to be those who can least afford it. It's buying "the dream." |
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February 10, 2019, 08:17:53 PM |
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Cludbet is one of the biggest online crypto casinos.
Hi Swofty,
Apologies for getting to the thread late, I've been at a conference this week.
one of the biggest online crypto casinos have only 1 person who deals with clients requests and complaints? i wonder how do the smallest casinos look like.
my answer to your question is this 3. even without looking into the allegations any deeper, given the sheer number, I believe it may be wise for individuals to no longer endorse
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As far as I know Cloudbet are no longer sponsors of krogothmanhattan raffles. Cloudbet stopped to support it some time ago before these accusations were made. Most of these promotions that you posted away is over and it would be unfair to red tag people who participated in it, because it was long before these scam accusations were made. There are only one active promtion on Bitcointalk -🏆Cloudbet's Cloud 9 Predictor Competition! Free Entry + 0.47 BTC Prize pool! 🏆 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098762.0While Premier League prediction pool isn't organized by Cloudbet, they are just sponsors. Maybe it would be best to remove their name from title. That was originally "Bitcointalk's English Premier League Football Pool" which was renamed to "Cloudbet's English Premier League Football Pool" later. I don't remember any more how much funds Cloudbet added because I left it long time ago.
I remember correctly they added $500 or £500 to the prize pool. |
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February 10, 2019, 11:16:59 PM |
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I ALWAYS get invited to poker night.
Those people inviting you might see you as their personal ATM machine--watch out for that. The fact that newbies are the ones making the scam accusations doesn't surprise me. Even if you were a senior member and got scammed, you might have a very good reason not to broadcast your gambling habits to everyone here, so creating a new account for the accusation might be appropriate. In any case, that's not something I see as sinister. To answer OP's question, I'd say that if cloudbet was proven to be a scam it'd be ill-advised for members to continue to advertise for them. We've had this situation before with ICOs and other casinos, if I'm not mistaken. I ditched a sig campaign in the middle of it a couple of years ago after cryptodevil made a scam accusation against them (I can't recall the name of it). It just so happened that the proof cryptodevil presented at the time of my exit turned out to be insufficient, but I definitely did not want my reputation linked to anything fishy being advertised in my signature space. That said, I don't know if cloudbet has unequivocally been shown to be a scam. Yes, they have accusations against them, but a lot of these businesses do. Is the community ready to tag anyone promoting Yobit? I know their campaign isn't active, but my question is...how much proof is enough? |
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but my question is...how much proof is enough?
IRL " innocent until proven guilty", but since there is no law enforcement here, and due to the massive amount of scammers, the safest approach is the exact opposite- cloudbut are guilty until proven innocent. they have not denied the accusation, and they are not providing any answers , therefore, IMO not only people should stop endorsing them , yet they should tag them until and if this issue is resolved. |
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but my question is...how much proof is enough?
IRL " innocent until proven guilty", but since there is no law enforcement here, and due to the massive amount of scammers, the safest approach is the exact opposite- cloudbut are guilty until proven innocent. they have not denied the accusation, and they are not providing any answers , therefore, IMO not only people should stop endorsing them , yet they should tag them until and if this issue is resolved. The opposite approach is safer indeed (e.g. it's much safer to tag an account that may be compromised especially if it is a high ranking account as proving the opposite should be trivial). Cloudbet had quite the time to respond to the accusation which they have ultimately failed to do for whatever reason. |
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Isn't it time for us to inform everyone (if needed then PM) and ask them to stop promoting/endorsing cloudbet? I have seen in the past when we smell anything wrong then DTs stepped forward and warned the users. If they denied then they tagged them.
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Isn't it time for us to inform everyone (if needed then PM) and ask them to stop promoting/endorsing cloudbet? I have seen in the past when we smell anything wrong then DTs stepped forward and warned the users. If they denied then they tagged them.
Giving them a warning would do, campaign participants are not even part of the main operation of the gambling site they are promoting. Their only job here is to promote the gambling site and they are not the ones who are handling the payments of the gamblers, so tagging them right away because they are just wearing their signature would only ruin their personal reputation here in the forum. If you would really like to be notice I think tagging them first is ideal to get their attention on removing their signature, if they proceed on removing their sig code without any complaints then you can remove your tag when things clear out. |
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Isn't it time for us to inform everyone (if needed then PM) and ask them to stop promoting/endorsing cloudbet? I have seen in the past when we smell anything wrong then DTs stepped forward and warned the users. If they denied then they tagged them.
Who is left? |
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February 13, 2019, 05:48:41 PM |
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Isn't it time for us to inform everyone (if needed then PM) and ask them to stop promoting/endorsing cloudbet? I have seen in the past when we smell anything wrong then DTs stepped forward and warned the users. If they denied then they tagged them.
Who is left? Left to PM? |
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Isn't it time for us to inform everyone (if needed then PM) and ask them to stop promoting/endorsing cloudbet? I have seen in the past when we smell anything wrong then DTs stepped forward and warned the users. If they denied then they tagged them.
Who is left? Left to PM? Yes, who is still promoting it? |
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