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[Gyfts]

You're continuing to play medical examiner here for reasons I still don't get. You're saying that because "choking/strangulation/asphyxia" wasn't listed as the cause of death by the county medical examiner, Chauvin's knee to the neck for 8 minutes has nothing to do with his death. So why was it classified as a homicide then? From all the "helping" that Chauvin was doing? Everything else but the knee to the neck was the problem? C'mon man, snap out of it.

"Stop playing medical examiner"...in the same breath "had it not been Chauvin's knee on the back of Floyd's neck, he'd be alive". I also distinctively remember you trying to argue that Floyd's fentanyl levels were benign, meanwhile Dr. Andrew Baker, the pathologist who analyzed Floyd's toxicology report, stated for the record he would have concluded that Floyd died of a drug OD if he were found dead home alone. I'd be very interested to see if you would concede that you were incorrect in arguing that the amount of fentanyl in his system was safe.

It takes a pathologist to examine a body and determine the cause of death. It takes a 5th grader to read the words off the report. I'm not playing doctor, I'm functioning like a normal human reading quite plainly what it says on the "physical examinations" area of the report where it says "neck".

You're also completely ignoring the results of the second autopsy in order to continue your narrative that asphyxia didn't play a role in Floyd's death.

Copying and pasting my reply to twitchy because it debunks Dr. Baden's autopsy report.

Obviously I could show you the second medical examiners report that has the cause of death as asphyxiation, but you've already decided to just ignore that one.

Read here -

The parallel to our current case does not end here. An official autopsy declared cause of death “sudden respiratory arrest following physical struggling restraint due to cocaine-induced excited delirium.” The legal team hired Dr. Michael Baden, who testified that Lewis died from “asphyxia caused by neck compression.” Baden is the same medical examiner who was hired by the George Floyd family, and made a similar finding. Baden is also the same medical examiner who was hired for Eric Garner, and declared death by “compression of the neck”. Baden is also the same medical examiner who was hired by the Brown family to examine Michael Brown, and Baden found that Brown died while surrendering, an assertion totally disproven by a DoJ investigation spearheaded by AG Eric Holder under Obama. Suffice it to say, Michael Baden has a very specific interest, and a very tenuous track record. The Court will be aware of this when weighing the autopsies.

https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

Dr. Baden did not even have the body when he concluded mechanical asphyxiation. 2nd autopsies means the body comes in with major organs missing and no toxicology report. He was dead wrong in the Michael Brown case, he was dead wrong in the Eric Garner case. Low and behold, both officers in both cases were cleared of charges. He has a 0/2 record. Pretty sure he did the autopsy report on Epstein too and suggested that his death was murder. (Correction - he analyzed the autopsy reports, did not conduct one himself) He's a celebrity quack doctor that comes out of the wood works every now and then for high profile cases to politicize things.

If I remember correctly (I could be wrong about this so feel free to fact check), he claimed Floyd did not have underlying conditions merely by talking to Floyd's family. Super scientific stuff.

I mean this with sincerity, don't be a fool and get duped by this con artist's autopsy report. He did not even have the body when he concluded mechanical asphyxiation.. And when the body actually got released, it was missing entire organs and was already mutilated which will NOT give you an accurate cause of death. You can research this on your own. 2nd autopsies are not accurate. Let alone an "autopsy" without even having the body present and relying on family testimony.

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[Gyfts]

That's not what I said, but it is what I believe, and what any rationally thinking human being would conclude. You also don't know its not what every doctor involved in the autopsy believes. It's certainly what 20,000 physicians believe

No, it's quite literally what you said - "No matter how you try to downplay the importance of the knee on the neck, that is the deciding factor of why the death was ruled to be a homicide. Had Floyd not had a knee to his neck for 8 minutes, he would not have died." Nutildah, circa 2020

Also - "As Black physicians in the U.S., we take our professional responsibilities and duties seriously. We want to ensure that the preliminary autopsy findings released in the criminal complaint are appropriately explained to the public who may have limited understanding of medical terminology and practices. Trivial error or misinterpretation of medical information can have devastating consequences. We reject conclusions drawn from the preliminary autopsy findings. Again, we assert that the most probable cause of death of Mr. George Floyd was the physical occlusion of his airway, decreased blood flow and oxygen delivery to his brain, and restricted ventilation, all due to the physical restraint aided by Officers Chauvin, Lane and Kueng of the Minnesota Police Department. We will continue to scrutinize the medicolegal documents presented in this case to ensure that ethical and unbiased information has been collected independently from law enforcement, prosecutors, and media. Mr. George Floyd, like any other American citizen, deserves justice."

"As black physicians" - Yeah I'll pass on this bullshit. Good to know doctors aren't above conflating science with politics and I'm sure you didn't think of this at all before slapping this useless link around which is predicated on rejecting the autopsy results and interjecting race into medical science which has no room for identity politics.

But he wasn't found dead home alone, was he? It's a moot point. Would he have died if he didn't have a bunch of drugs in his system or cardiovascular disease? Perhaps not, but that's not something either one of us is qualified to speculate upon, and regardless, its completely irrelevant here. You're basically arguing that Chauvin's actions have nothing to do with Floyd's death, which you are not qualified to do.

We don't have to speculate on it. Dr. Andrew Baker himself said it would have been an OD disregarding other factors. This means you were completely and utterly wrong trying to argue the amount of fentanyl in his system wasn't significant or harmful. How can an insignificant or harmless amount of fentanyl result in an OD?

You can at least agree that what Chauvin did wasn't good, right?

Using hindsight and looking back yes I agree -- I think the neck restraint was not necessary, albeit permitted by MPD, and he should have put Floyd in the recovery position after it appeared he was unconscious.

"As black physicians" - Yeah I'll pass on this bullshit.

Wow.

I'm not a racist therefore I do not attribute the validity of someone's opinion to their skin color. Forgive me for not being racist.

[BayAreaCoins]

Biden is unelectable.

I'm choosing not to be black and not vote for Biden.  You could say, I'll be hidden from Creepy Biden.

[Vispilio]

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you need to get out more and wake up to the realities of your country...

Even police commanders are publishing articles on "Steroid abuse" in US law enforcement:  

https://www.policechiefmagazine.org/anabolic-steroid-use-and-abuse-by-police-officers-policy-prevention/  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKF0Xtc_aec

https://via.library.depaul.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1084&context=jslcp  

[TwitchySeal]

I think I have Chris Wallace as my #1 anchor/journalist in politics.  Should be good.

[KingScorpio]

I voted for harris only because she is sex nothing else


Trump is the more reasonable choice thoug as democrats become more and more racist and nazi extremist

[Spendulus]

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you need to get out more and wake up to the realities of your country...

Even police commanders are publishing articles on "Steroid abuse" i....

lol I'm pretty familiar with that topic.

Just a bit of educatification for you.

"Getting out more" is not "believing random internet voices."

[TwitchySeal]

"Trump encourages North Carolina residents to vote twice to test mail-in system"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-vote-twice-test-mail-system-n1239140
in memory of TECSHARE

"President Trump encourages supporters to vote absentee-by-mail early, and then show up in person at the polls or the local registrar to verify that their vote has already been counted," Trump campaign official Tim Murtaugh said. "It’s amazing that the media can go from insisting that voter fraud doesn’t exist to screaming about it when President Trump points out the giant holes in the Democrats’ voting schemes.”

He's gone and done something so stupid that nobody but him could get away with it and it surprised me yet again.  Impressive.

[Gyfts]

I like Chris Wallace a lot for the first debate moderator. He asks good questions. In the 2016 debate I think he was the only person to talk about the supreme court picks and asked a question about a textualist view of the constitution. He won't go easy on either candidate.

[suchmoon]

He's gone and done something so stupid that nobody but him could get away with it and it surprised me yet again.  Impressive.

Speaking of stable genius stuff, here's a totally unsurprisingly cringy one:

The Wards were the only African Americans seated at the dais for a roundtable on public safety and were the only participants to bring up Blake's shooting before the President took questions from the press.

When a reporter asked the Wards whether, like other Black community leaders, they believed police violence was a systemic issue, Trump interjected, "I don't believe that. I think the police do an incredible job and I think you do have some bad apples."

[...]

The pastors never got the chance to answer the reporter's question, including when the reporter attempted to clarify that the question was not directed toward the President. It's not clear if Trump understood that the question was meant for the pastors.

But who cares. Let's talk about Nancy's haircut.

[BayAreaCoins]

That black dude in Wisconsin absolutely deserved to get shot.

Here is a good example of why you shoot people fighting and trying to get back into their car:  https://www.mcall.com/news/police/mc-nws-route-33-state-police-trooper-shooting-video-released-20180706-story.html

The craziest thing of all of this is that people are even upset about the WI shit.  These morons just want to be a part of a negative cause... it's a shame they can't find something positive.
  
It's a shame China owns so much in America at the moment :-/.  

America needs China out of our country and the war on drugs to end ASAP.  Both would be a blessing for our economy and our people's mindsets.

[alani123]

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That black dude in Wisconsin absolutely deserved to get shot.

Here is a good example of why you shoot people fighting and trying to get back into their car:  https://www.mcall.com/news/police/mc-nws-route-33-state-police-trooper-shooting-video-released-20180706-story.html

So, a gun battle is a good example of why police officers should shoot unarmed people in the back? The police even admitted that they knew he was unarmed and that there was no firearm in the car. It's just a big fucking shame that police in the U.S. has to be that trigger happy. The lives claimed by police make it harder for people to trust them. Within 2020 alone, more people have been forming negative opinions of police than in any other year. If Trump loses that election, which isn't unlikely, sweeping changes on policing would be likely.

[Spendulus]

So, a gun battle is a good example of why police officers should shoot unarmed people in the back? The police even admitted that they knew he was unarmed and that there was no firearm in the car. It's just a big fucking shame that police in the U.S. has to be that trigger happy.

He's a troll... No real reason to respond to him.

I remember my first real interaction with a police officer ever, when I was about 14 years old. I was riding bikes outside with my friends when a cop pulled up and asked us what we were doing. Obviously we responded we were just riding our bikes around, but he was irritated that there were kids out in general.

He asked in a displeased voice, "Why aren't you in school??"

I responded, "Because its Saturday!" Which it was.

Cops (in the U.S. at least) aren't very bright and most take the job because they look forward to being able to use their power, not because they actually care about the general safety of the public. This is the impression I got from most cops I've ever had the pleasure of interacting with, but by no means is it all cops, of course.

Point is an overhaul of the entire police system wouldn't be a bad thing.

I've seen it both ways. Actually ran into a "bad cop" once, guy was using my parking lot for staking out some target didn't even ask. Called the FBI and tracked his plates down, then went out and had a little chat.  Real serious attitude problem with that dude.

But then I've seen a situation where cops handling a couple of kids a neighbor called in for suspicion of burglary, studiously avoid the bag of weed on the ground just a few feet away. They would up taking one of them off for a traffic ticket (the burglary thing was false). I always wondered who came back for the bag.

Countless other situations they have dull days filled with nonsense, like giving out traffic tickets.

[squatz1]

"Trump encourages North Carolina residents to vote twice to test mail-in system"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-vote-twice-test-mail-system-n1239140
in memory of TECSHARE

"President Trump encourages supporters to vote absentee-by-mail early, and then show up in person at the polls or the local registrar to verify that their vote has already been counted," Trump campaign official Tim Murtaugh said. "It’s amazing that the media can go from insisting that voter fraud doesn’t exist to screaming about it when President Trump points out the giant holes in the Democrats’ voting schemes.”

He's gone and done something so stupid that nobody but him could get away with it and it surprised me yet again.  Impressive.

Trump has done it again. Said some really stupid shit that keeps people moving from story to story. We don't even have enough time to stay angry at him for one thing because by the time you actually research the topic and know enough about it to want to talk about - it's all done, the story is over and it's time to move on to another piece of BREAKING NEWS.

Information overload is a LARGE PART of their playback. They'll continue to have stories blasted on you everyday so you're unable to even know what's true, what's false, and never have enough time to research anything before it's OLD NEWS already.

So, a gun battle is a good example of why police officers should shoot unarmed people in the back? The police even admitted that they knew he was unarmed and that there was no firearm in the car. It's just a big fucking shame that police in the U.S. has to be that trigger happy.

He's a troll... No real reason to respond to him.

I remember my first real interaction with a police officer ever, when I was about 14 years old. I was riding bikes outside with my friends when a cop pulled up and asked us what we were doing. Obviously we responded we were just riding our bikes around, but he was irritated that there were kids out in general.

He asked in a displeased voice, "Why aren't you in school??"

I responded, "Because its Saturday!" Which it was.

Cops (in the U.S. at least) aren't very bright and most take the job because they look forward to being able to use their power, not because they actually care about the general safety of the public. This is the impression I got from most cops I've ever had the pleasure of interacting with, but by no means is it all cops, of course.

Point is an overhaul of the entire police system wouldn't be a bad thing.

I've seen it both ways. Actually ran into a "bad cop" once, guy was using my parking lot for staking out some target didn't even ask. Called the FBI and tracked his plates down, then went out and had a little chat.  Real serious attitude problem with that dude.

But then I've seen a situation where cops handling a couple of kids a neighbor called in for suspicion of burglary, studiously avoid the bag of weed on the ground just a few feet away. They would up taking one of them off for a traffic ticket (the burglary thing was false). I always wondered who came back for the bag.

Countless other situations they have dull days filled with nonsense, like giving out traffic tickets.

Yup, but that's how life is though ya know? By chance you could interact with a piece of shit cop and that's the one that you'll remember. But you'll OBVIOUSLY forget the regular cops who didn't really do anything to you that is that memorable.

[BayAreaCoins]

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So, a gun battle is a good example of why police officers should shoot unarmed people in the back? The police even admitted that they knew he was unarmed and that there was no firearm in the car. It's just a big fucking shame that police in the U.S. has to be that trigger happy. The lives claimed by police make it harder for people to trust them. Within 2020 alone, more people have been forming negative opinions of police than in any other year. If Trump loses that election, which isn't unlikely, sweeping changes on policing would be likely.

The guy in my example was unarmed until he retreated to his car as well.

If you are slugging it out with the cops... you're armed in my opinion and fuck you *boom boom*.

The media and China is just trying to sell dead black thugs to self-hating whites and self-entitled brown people.

sweeping changes on policing would be likely.

Biden has been a politician for decades, it's wild people think sweeping changes will happen if he's elected!  lulz

All this shit is just World Wide Wrestling for adults at this point (on both sides). 

[Spendulus]

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Yup, but that's how life is though ya know? By chance you could interact with a piece of shit cop and that's the one that you'll remember. But you'll OBVIOUSLY forget the regular cops who didn't really do anything to you that is that memorable.

No way I'd forget the regular ones.

99.5% are good, honest, and do a decent job.

[suchmoon]

99.5% are good, honest, and do a decent job.

Closer to 75% perhaps, if you lower the bar for "decent" to not kneeling on dying person's neck but just the torso.

To put it another way, if the good cops can't prevent bad cops from doing bad things the percentage is meaningless. Excessive use of force almost always happens with multiple cops present and it still happens.

[Spendulus]

99.5% are good, honest, and do a decent job.

Closer to 75% perhaps, if you lower the bar for "decent" to not kneeling on dying person's neck but just the torso.

To put it another way, if the good cops can't prevent bad cops from doing bad things the percentage is meaningless. Excessive use of force almost always happens with multiple cops present and it still happens.

In a sense I could agree with the 75%. Disregard all "small town cops", and look at the big Democratic cities, and I'm real close to agreeing. Let's put it this way. In Chicago it isn't 99.5% good, NO WAY!!!

It might be 2%, or 5%, and they have certain types of power, and can influence others around them. Pretty easy to get up to something like 25% when some individuals have unspoken powers over others. As you noted, the other cops did nothing to stop it.

But where we likely differ is the exact conclusion I get from the video. This is not imho "bad cop." It's more like a punishment ... but for what? I suspect there is some story here that's yet to come out, and that may not come out.

The cop and the deceased both worked security at a nightclub for a year or two, at the same time. The very first thing I'd like to know is whether say in the last three years there are any phone calls between these two individuals or close associates. You see, the directions my suspicions go may be in the direction of "bad cop" but of a very different sort.

[TwitchySeal]

Biden has been a politician for decades, it's wild people think sweeping changes will happen if he's elected!  lulz

There have been plenty of sweeping changes over the past few decades...

[Spendulus]

Biden has been a politician for decades, it's wild people think sweeping changes will happen if he's elected!  lulz

There have been plenty of sweeping changes over the past few decades...

The sweeping change that will definitely happen quickly if Biden is elected is the sweeping of Biden out of the White House likely over some health excuse, so the real powers can come out of the closet.