Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17

[OgNasty]

We’re excited to announce the soon to come Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17. Bitmain’s 3 most advanced BTC and BCH miners under the SHA256 algorithm. Stay tuned for more updates!

S17 Pro Announced Specs




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[Wind_FURY]

Bitmain is showing their cards. They will be releasing their new ASICs in time for everyone's next anticipation for the next bull market. Very smart.

[Huxley23]

The Z11 was sold out immediately, so maybe they will open second batch soon.

To me, it is highly suspicious that they released another news about s17 few hours after microBT released their M20 for sale. Just pure marketing to me and therefore we should not see S17 coming in a near future. Maybe May-June is more probable.

[philipma1957]

I don't see any specs for bitmain. I see specs for Whatsminer.

[clgrissom3]

Antminer S17 Pro... That would explain the scam email I got this morning from the email address presale at bitmainstech.com (notice the s in the middle) with the subject "limited non Public Preorder - S17-2".  Watch out folks!

I have seen these type of emails before with a PDF attachment order form complete with Scan QR-Codes claiming the following specs:

Code:

Antminer S17-2 with Power
adapter included
2x BM1397 chip (33.7J/TH)
Hash Rate: 67.4TH +-5%
Power Consumption: 1394w using Bitmain APW7 1800W
Dimensions: 240mm(L) x 187mm(W) x 288mm(H)
Weight: 7.1g
Network Connection: Ethernet

$1299USD with Free DHL Shipping

[Huxley23]

I don't see any specs for bitmain. I see specs for Whatsminer.

I don't see any working model of either of them. I am not defending bitmain, but waiting 4 months seems a little irrational to me.

[philipma1957]

I don't see any working model of either of them. I am not defending bitmain, but waiting 4 months seems a little irrational to me.

absolute truth

a 4 month preorder is nuts.

sometimes I hate the internet as writing what you mean is hard to do.

I see info (specs)  that is clear and easy to understand on the m20
I see no info on the s17 (specs)

is all I mean.

I do not mean you should do a four month preorder of the m20.
For that matter you should not do a four month preorder of the s17

In fact you should not do preorders beyond 45 days.
I did order 1 t15 due to ship on April 1-10  basically I was curious  to compare it to a s15 which I have.

and it had a coupon and in theory was under the trump tax number.

[OgNasty]

With BTC in the consolidation phase and a potential price war looming between Bitmain and Whatsminer, I would agree that preordering might not be in the buyer's best interests.

If the alleged specs are right on the S17 though, it would be hard to justify mining with anything else once the time comes for these to start shipping.

[mikeywith]

Some Chinese miners have already started talking about S17 being released next month, these guys are usually pretty accurate at least with the release date, they also dropped S9 price with psu from 395$ to 271$ for April delivery.

I am almost certain that next month will be the release of these monsters.

The S17 is expected to do 42TH at 1500w
S17 pro is expected to do  48TH at 1550w

The numbers on S17 seem very reasonable, in fact even 44th at 1500w is doable, not sure about the pro,it's a bit too much IMO. but let's see how it goes, will keep you updated if i get any confirmed information.

[ConnerM]

Just pure marketing to me and therefore we should not see S17 coming in a near future. Maybe May-June is more probable.

You know you are running on crypto time when 60-90 days from now ISN'T the 'near future'. 

Since this is the speculation thread, I would speculate that initial yields on the new 7nm chips will be so low that the machines won't be available in any significant qnties for many months. Not crypto many, but real many. So I would not be too concerned about any sort of big difficulty jump. A couple thousand machines will barely be a rounding error and a lot of them will likely go to replace older gear. The first batch for pre-order will probably get the best chips from the first tape out as well, and will also be the most expensive.

[mikeywith]

You know 7nm is not new to bitmain right? They have been playing with those for months now, i do not think production will be much limited, its more or less the price of both gears and btc that could get in the way of them selling the gears.

[taserz]

But we can probably assume bitmain will do what they have done in the past. Which is set frequency slightly better than the competition for a slightly better price. Then overtime release revised versions unlocking more speed.

But that is speculation and I didn't have my toast this morning.

[ConnerM]

You know 7nm is not new to bitmain right? They have been playing with those for months now, i do not think production will be much limited, its more or less the price of both gears and btc that could get in the way of them selling the gears.

The rumors were that the Gen 1 7nm process had terrible yields and that bitmain only had enough good chips to build a few thousand S15's, and due to the low yields they had to sell the machines below cost. It might be true. That would certainly explain the purchase restrictions on the first few batches, and short period of time they were available for shipment. I would imagine that the yields on the gen 2 chips will be at least as bad. For all the Gen 1 7nm they shipped, the network hashrate is still below were it was mid-Nov, and has probably been supported in large part by keeping older gear running via all the dyscalculia suffers that bought up those BitDeer contracts. But we shall see. If the price makes sense, and the specs pan out in the real, I'll be picking up a few S17's for the farm. If. When. Maybe.

[philipma1957]

The rumors were that the Gen 1 7nm process had terrible yields and that bitmain only had enough good chips to build a few thousand S15's, and due to the low yields they had to sell the machines below cost. It might be true. That would certainly explain the purchase restrictions on the first few batches, and short period of time they were available for shipment. I would imagine that the yields on the gen 2 chips will be at least as bad. For all the Gen 1 7nm they shipped, the network hashrate is still below were it was mid-Nov, and has probably been supported in large part by keeping older gear running via all the dyscalculia suffers that bought up those BitDeer contracts. But we shall see. If the price makes sense, and the specs pan out in the real, I'll be picking up a few S17's for the farm. If. When. Maybe.

That is funny.

BitDeer is pretty much fully written for bitmain's benefit.

[OgNasty]

We have our release date. April 9th.

[micairvas]

Some Chinese miners have already started talking about S17 being released next month, these guys are usually pretty accurate at least with the release date, they also dropped S9 price with psu from 395$ to 271$ for April delivery.

I am almost certain that next month will be the release of these monsters.

The S17 is expected to do 42TH at 1500w
S17 pro is expected to do  48TH at 1550w

The numbers on S17 seem very reasonable, in fact even 44th at 1500w is doable, not sure about the pro,it's a bit too much IMO. but let's see how it goes, will keep you updated if i get any confirmed information.

Hmm, so If specs are true. S15 and T15 buyers are fucked up again. Huge different on same 7nm chip. I hope Bitmain will release some good firmware for S15/T15 which will increase performance.

[philipma1957]

We have our release date. April 9th.

https://i.imgur.com/sfIfdhi.jpg

A link to image please.

I found this on youtube.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bitmain+s17&view=detail&mid=256B40F77CCCCE279986256B40F77CCCCE279986&FORM=VIRE

but I think it is not accurate

found this https://www.biedex.com/bitmain-unveils-release-date-of-next-gen-antminer-s17-devices/

[Artemis3]

Hmm, so If specs are true. S15 and T15 buyers are fucked up again. Huge different on same 7nm chip. I hope Bitmain will release some good firmware for S15/T15 which will increase performance.

At some point something better than the S17 will come and the cycle repeats again. S15, S11, S9, S7. Everytime a new generation comes, this story repeats. More surprising is you didn't expect this after so many years of the same. You could go back to the days of CPU mining, then GPU mining, FPGAs, the first ASICs, etc.

More importantly at these rates we are talking 32 watt/th the S17 (7nm)... vs 47 watt/th the M20 (12nm) or 60 watt/th for the S15 (7nm) vs 70 watt/th the M10(16nm). Also take into consideration that Bitmain specs are probably better than reality, we will have to wait for an actual review from members of this forum.

MicroBT is still at 12nm, they could probably still make something even better at 7nm. Frankly if the S11 and S15 are 7nm parts, they are quite disappointing, considering a 16nm chip nearly matched them. Maybe they planned to finance the refinement by selling those low yield units first, or maybe there is an S19 lurking around the corner, how to know?

[philipma1957]

At some point something better than the S17 will come and the cycle repeats again. S15, S11, S9, S7. Everytime a new generation comes, this story repeats. More surprising is you didn't expect this after so many years of the same. You could go back to the days of CPU mining, then GPU mining, FPGAs, the first ASICs, etc.

More importantly at these rates we are talking 32 watt/th... vs 47 watt/th the M20 (12nm) or 60 watt/th for the S15 vs 70 watt/th the M10(16nm). Also take into consideration that Bitmain specs are probably better than reality, we will have to wait for an actual review from members of this forum.

MicroBT is still at 12nm, they could probably still make something even better at 7nm. Frankly if the S11 and S15 are 7nm parts, they are quite disappointing, considering a 16nm chip nearly matched them. Maybe they planned to finance the refinement by selling those low yield units first, or maybe there is an S19 lurking around the corner, how to know?

my thoughts are :

the s15  does  

50 watts a th on low speed
60 watts a th on high speed

a 28% improvement =

36 watts a th on low speed
43.2 watts a th on high speed

[mikeywith]

Hmm, so If specs are true. S15 and T15 buyers are fucked up again. Huge different on same 7nm chip. I hope Bitmain will release some good firmware for S15/T15 which will increase performance.

Keyword there is "again" s17 buyers will have to face the sane story a few months later, it has always been this way, lucky mining btc is less risky than alts, look at z11 improvements over z9, or look at x11 asics, it is even worse.

I have come to realise that the best asic is the one the ROIs faster regardless of effiecny , new gens will always most likely always have a longer ROI period.

Having said that we are uncertain of how many gears they will have to sell at this current low btc prices, they are now totally out of stock of all btc miners , not sure if production is slowing down or they are just fucking around.