Vod is an extortionist. Get him out of DT!

[OgNasty]

Vod has attempted to extort me out of $5,000,000 by threat of frivolous legal action.  PM below:

      :  “I have to actual justify my statements based on real quotes from you to avoid potential lawsuits, like when I say you’re a pedophile.”

Real       Quote:  “Is your real life identity known?  I have a lot more to lose than you do by exposing someone.”

After trying to help me, and being rewarded for eventually forcing me out of the bitcointalk marketplace, I expected an offer since you admitted your liability above.

Your lies contributed to a stroke and I even lost my ability to speak about it for a while when you were sending messages to my Facebook friends on my birthday and taunting me on the forum.

I’m now able to tell what happened, and I am preparing the story and a very public $100M lawsuit, which will be broken down as follows:
$10M to me to help with the handicapped living expenses you caused.
Punitive damages:
$50M donation to the heart and stroke foundation / anti-pedophile organizations.
$20M to fund micro projects and finish my project of spreading Cypto to those who need it.
$20M for a legal fund to reimburse the people you and your partners have scammed.
Hopefully it will lead to other lawsuits.

Your defense is so simple:  Post the imaginary message I sent you outing myself as a pedophile, which you claimed I did over a dozen times.

I am transferring my blockchain investigations on the actual numbers of hundreds of millions you three embezzled/laundered and focusing my fundraising on public awareness for your actions in covering it up.   Why do you three believe sex with children shouldn’t be reported to the police?  Did you guys actually bully Zepher to overdose death like you tried with me?  Did you pay taxes on any of your scammed bitcoin?  How many people are harassing you daily,       ?   Is it because you make fun of handicapped people?

I’m offering you a one time settlement to pay for my expenses, suffering and lost income/profits  – $5,000,000 – a very generous offer from a successful inventor like me and this environment I was recognized and trusted in.

You have until Aug 13 end of day EST to speak to your partners       and      , who are co-defendants in my lawsuit, and have your lawyers email me; I’ll connect them to my lawyer without any conversation.  I’m sending this private message instead of a public one as one last undeserved courtesy.  Everyone can believe you won and I will live the rest of my life in peaceful retirement as I deserve.  Your alternative is to spend millions on lawyers (and 5-10 years in court) and LOSE, which will not affect me in the slightest as my lawyer will work on contingency.  Do you think the courts will be as easily deflected as these bitcointalk users?

Govern yourself accordingly, bozo.

                 

[Vod]

I am calling you a liar
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50652615#msg50652615

You are now calling me a liar.

I'm on DT for now, so I will make my case in trust feedback.
You are not on DT for now, so you'll make your case on multiple threads.

Just don't expect me to respond to a liar.    Carry on.

[Anduck]

I am calling you a liar

You are now calling me a liar.

The difference is that your lies are verifiable and proven.

[Quickseller]

Vod doesn’t look very good here. There are a number of concerns about him.

It looks like Vod may have been using his position as a merit source to highlight businesses that he was is negotiations with to sell advertising space with, this is shady at best and amounts to selling merit at worst.

Vod is unwilling to do what is right within the trust system if doing what is right is not beneficial to him.

Most bizarrely, according to what OgN posted, Vod thinks of himself as god:

Back in the day when I thought of myself as a god (yesterday) I still listened to people and changed my mind from time to time.

I cannot imagine anyone who makes this kind of statement ever being taken seriously.

[Vod]

Vod doesn’t look very good here. There are a number of concerns about him.

This is a useful post sponsored by LiveCoin.   

[mikeywith]

some great "old" forum members consuming much of their time and efforts fighting against one another, that is a big win for the real scammers whom the trust system was invented to fight.

[Anduck]

some great "old" forum members consuming much of their time and efforts fighting against one another, that is a big win for the real scammers whom the trust system was invented to fight.

Would be glad to give you merit for this, but you're simply too damn obviously correct, so I can't. (You stated the obvious.)

[EcuaMobi]

I'm glad to see negative feedback is removed from several profiles who posted here.
We should try and leave negative trust only if we strongly believe someone has scammed or is trying to do so, especially after this welcomed change:

Logged-out users will now see a warning in trust-enabled sections if more DT members neg-trust the topic starter than positive-trust him.

This increases the responsibility of DT members not to give negative trust for stupid reasons, but only for things that cause you to believe that the person is a scammer.

Leaving neutral trust or ~excluding someone from the trust list is one thing, but negative trust must be reserved to fight scammers, not for ego fights or misunderstandings.


Edit: Please note I'm not supporting one or the other party. Please don't try to make it look like I do. I want to be as far away from this senseless discussion as possible.
All I'm saying is this fight (as well as a lot of other recent discussions on Meta and Reputation) is not about scams so no negative trust is deserved.

[OgNasty]

I'm glad to see negative feedback were removed from several profiles who posted here.

Yes, I think once Vod started shamefully lying about the legitimacy of the PMs I posted here, which is easily provable by Administrators, action needed to be taken.  Hopefully in the future it doesn't take intervention for Vod to act like an adult.

Vod, you are a liar and owe me an apology.  Here's your proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576

So many words and no proof that I ever sent PM(s)

I'm sure an Administrator could verify that all of the messages I quoted from you are from legitimate Vod PMs.  Keep digging that hole.

[Vod]

Yes, I think once Vod started shamefully lying about the legitimacy of the PMs I posted here

Where did I do that to your cherry picked quotes?   

[Vod]

Vod, you are a liar and owe me an apology.  Here's your proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576

So many words and no proof that I ever sent PM(s)

Click on my quote link above to see what I actually typed.  OG cherry picked only the first part of my sentence, so I would appear to be claiming I never sent any PMs at all.

lol

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Wouldn’t it just be best to shake hands (virtually) & sort this out gentlemen?

It’s quite clear that neither Vod or Og are scammers or untrustworthy. You two guys are two of the most respected members on the forum.

Come on guys, remove the red trust you’ve given each other & move on. There’s nothing to gain from continuing needless feuds. A lot of less respected members admire & look up to you two.

You can both tell me to fuck off but I think forgiveness & burying grudges goes a long way for well being & good karma.

Good luck to you both & peace.

[LoyceMobile]

Wouldn’t it just be best to shake hands (virtually) & sort this out gentlemen?

Agreed! I think it would be good if several established forum members just get a beer together.

The drama between good members doesn't do anyone nor Bitcoin nor the forum any good. And we all must have some common ground, after all that's why we're here.

[The-One-Above-All]

No, VOD is not a good member. He abuses the trust system to silence the truth being spoken.

I do not feel that his actions would warrant him being classed as a "good" member at all.

Why should honest members need to have a beer and pretend his actions were legitimate?  if he is a liar he must be called out as a liar. No nice beers and pretending it did not happen. This does not appear a 50/50 fault scenario. Where you can kiss and make up.

Liars, scammers, trust abusers, these are not good members. You would do well to start realizing that.

[OgNasty]

Come on guys, remove the red trust you’ve given each other & move on. There’s nothing to gain from continuing needless feuds. A lot of less respected members admire & look up to you two.

I never left Vod red trust. The lies and red trust all came from Vod in this situation. The only thing that has happened so far is that Vod removed the false red trust rating he left me. Still no apology for the lies or attempt at damaging my reputation.

[hacker1001101001]

Really happy to see this sorted out between VOD and OgNasty.  

Both of you surely insprire new and learning members like me, on this forum to grow and follow some of your step's here.

Grab a blunt both of you.

Peace!

[The-One-Above-All]

Really happy to see this sorted out between VOD and OgNasty.  

Both of you surely insprire new and learning members like me, on this forum to grow and follow some of your step's here.

Grab a blunt both of you.

Peace!

I think you are unable to grasp that nothing has really changed except I suspect Theymos ordered VOD and lauda to remove their trust abuse.  Which is of course the correct thing to do in this instance.  Nobody here believes Ognasty is a scammer, so him having scam tags is laughable.  

I am kind of upset they removed them (sorry OG no offence to you with that) because someone with his long term honest standing here that is  being cast as a scammer by these observable liars and scammers demonstrated SOMETHING had to be done. Sadly it seems that they realize they stepped over their abusive threshold with Theymos by fucking with OG and retracted them now. This does not help at all with the larger issue that DT is riddled with scammers, liars, and trust abusers like VOD and Lauda and their colluding ass kissing clingons.

It would be better had they still refused to remove their trust abuse and Theymos went  full Thanos on these observable dirt bags and blacklisted the entire swathes of observable dirty turds infesting DT. Let's have some observably honest and long term legends on there with no dirt in their past histories who we can TRUST.

[AdolfinWolf]

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It would be better had they still refused to remove their trust abuse and Theymos went  full Thanos on these observable dirt bags and blacklisted the entire swathes of observable dirty turds infesting DT. Let's have some observably honest and long term legends on there with no dirt in their past histories who we can TRUST.

Okay.. This is Alex-Jones level trolling. You've officially elevated. (and gone completely nuts?)

[Lesbian Cow]

I'm glad to see negative feedback is removed from several profiles who posted here.
We should try and leave negative trust only if we strongly believe someone has scammed or is trying to do so, especially after this welcomed change:

Logged-out users will now see a warning in trust-enabled sections if more DT members neg-trust the topic starter than positive-trust him.

This increases the responsibility of DT members not to give negative trust for stupid reasons, but only for things that cause you to believe that the person is a scammer.

Leaving neutral trust or ~excluding someone from the trust list is one thing, but negative trust must be reserved to fight scammers, not for ego fights or misunderstandings.


Edit: Please note I'm not supporting one or the other party. Please don't try to make it look like I do. I want to be as far away from this senseless discussion as possible.
All I'm saying is this fight (as well as a lot of other recent discussions on Meta and Reputation) is not about scams so no negative trust is deserved.

Very well said.  The trust system should not be used for personal vendettas. 

[LoyceV]

~I suspect Theymos ordered VOD and lauda to remove their trust abuse.~

I suspect you're full of it!

• Trust isn't moderated.
• If Admin wants to remove trust, he doesn't need anyone's cooperation.
• Theymos believes in freedom of speech and decentralization, at most he would exclude someone who's trust he disagrees with, effectively having one vote like any other DT1.