I gave Vod a
couple chances to apologize for his lies, but he seems to not realize that his actions are not acceptable behavior.
This recent bit of drama is due to Vod interjecting himself into a thread where he stated a lie about me as his reasoning for looking the other way as scammers pollute the DT network.
Here's an example of the trust system's stupid shit.
Last of the V8s claims I scammed 2,100 BTC. This is untrue, and yet some of the con-artists on DT have actually included this moron.
Reminds me of when, years ago, I initially PMed you about including the moron Quickseller in your DT2 trust list.
You promptly told me he had done nothing wrong
to you.
So why the hypocrisy here? "Last of the V8s" has done nothing wrong to everyone else... :/
Not only is that a lie as I have explained to him multiple times why I have left the feedback I have, but he continued stating other lies as can be seen throughout that thread, escalating his attacks to provably honest community organizations I support. More of Vod's lies are detailed on this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50665442#msg50665442 but I would recommend reviewing the entire thread.
Once I called Vod out, he decided to leave me a negative trust rating.
Vod's negative feedback with me
seems to stem from this specific quote:
This while continually asking me to leave you a trust rating and add you to my network while showering me with Merit at the time. Between that pathetic manipulation attempt failure escalating to you telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list
I think this can be broken down to 3 specific claims that I will prove the reasoning for my opinion below. I think after reviewing all available information, it should become clear that Vod is a dangerous addition to the trust network, who has no problem enabling scammers out of fear, and abuses the responsibilities given to him by this forum.
1) Vod asked for my trust multiple times.
2) Vod uses Merit questionably.
3) Vod said he would add me to his distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller.
1) Vod asked for my trust multiple times.Besides the fact it is weird to be sent a message from such a long term member that you've rarely if ever communicated with, having them mention trust like in these quotes definitely seemed to me as though Vod was asking for trust without any sort of basis. I had to explain this to him to the point of frustration as these quotes show. There is always much more, but I tried to make this as short as possible. Setting things up we have to start at the beginning and I highlighted a particular line that I think applies to the current trust rating Vod has left me.
Hey Guys,
I'm sending this to everyone on level 1 of the DefaultTrustList.
I understand my position on default trust in now in peril because of my morals and actions.
Having an MSDN subscription myself, I KNOW that I am only allowed a certain number of product keys. Giving a key to someone else (stealing) takes away my ability to use it, meaning I have to spend more money.
I wasn't prepared for the overall community to ignore the negative aspects of this theft, and view this as an internal Microsoft issue. To me it's theft, but to many others it was business as usual, because it was bitcoin. This was shocking, but not something I can change.
I'm going to lay off the negative trust from now on. I will continue to leave negative trust on those accounts who are clearly doing wrong, but I will do my best to cut back on the controversial reports. If I am unsuccessful, I understand I will be removed.
The last thing I want to see is my three+ years of reporting scams and scammers to disappear into untrusted feedback. I have done a LOT of good work here. I would rather abandon my account and walk away than see all that work go to waste.
Finally, no matter what your individual choices, I respect everyone's right to manage their list as they see fit. You will never see any outcry from this account.
Thank you for your time,
Vod/(removed)
The above was the first message sent addressing me directly from Vod. It was sent to everyone in DT1 and seemed to make users uncomfortable from the response to it. Besides Vod making a 360 from his humble days before he felt like god (that quote further below) to what he is doing now, it was pretty clear he was willing to go a step further than others when it came to his personal trust ratings.
Why was I never added to your trust list?
I don't think we've ever had any dealings.
The first time you have to explain it, it seems innocent enough...
I have left trust for QS not to make some statement on the internet, but because I actually trust him. I would be happy to demonstrate this trust by publicly sending him BTC to an address he posts if you don’t believe me... It isn’t political, this is how I honestly feel.
After explaining yet again why (above), he again asks for trust later that same day (below) since I've left feedback for QS.
You trust Quickseller, but not me?
Clearly he asked for my trust in suggestive ways enough times to the point I was beginning to become frustrated.
We've had this discussion. You and I have never interacted. Quickseller has used me for escrow and purchased goods from me on multiple occasions over a period of years.
Let us not continue to rehash these same discussions.
2) Vod uses Merit questionably.You can see the merit activity
here. What happened during the periods I received merit for Vod? The first merit was during some sort of argument with Quickseller, which was a short period before leaving me the second merit and alluding to deserving my trust with the quote shown directly above, "You trust Quickseller, but not me?" which I had already explained to him in detail multiple times. The next quote was where we left things in negotiations where given all the previous discussion seemed to be waiting for Vod message me about sponsorship. It was the last communication with Vod before the sudden blasting of Merit in November felt like he was letting me know he still hadn't forgotten about our open negotiations, which fell apart after I publicly made it clear I wasn't interested in sponsoring a site that has algorithms controlled by a single person whom it personally benefitted.
I have not forgotten about you. I'm just very busy right now cleaning the site up for production use - I've have a few people approach me now for services.
He also demanded merit from me in PM. I don't think anyone else has ever done this to me.
I'll expect to see some merit from you as stated when I launch the new URL and new design sans big banner ad in your face.
This is clear, and Vod didn't limit it to just me either. At the time of our conversations about the trust network involving Anduck and Quickseller, Vod had me in his trust settings as Trusted. This was reflected at:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview - Vod made it known that in order to remain there, I would need to remove feedback for Anduck and Quickseller, otherwise I would be distrusted.
After I noticed that Vod had suddenly flipped from trusting to distrusting me, I sent him a message and got this response:
You trust Anduck and Quickseller. Sorry.
He then made it pretty clear that it was for this specific reason, which I assume meant if I were to remove those feedbacks I would return to being trusted by Vod.
Anyway, nothing against you. The mark is to negate trust left To Anduck and Quickseller.
When I pointed out that his distrust was specific to me, he responded by spreading his net wider:
I have now updated my trust list to include all 41 profiles that trust Quickseller.
Back in the day when I thought of myself as a god (yesterday) I still listened to people and changed my mind from time to time.
Do as I say but not as I do? Can Vod listen and change his mind?
2 Don't judge me by who I leave positive trust to.
I never trusted Vod's network, and I think after reading this post it is understandable why. I never considered casting negative trust until this experience with him though. I wish Vod had apologized and admitted he was in the wrong so we could have moved forward like adults and avoided this nonsense. I know I had better uses for my time today.
Additionally, quotes like this show that Vod is motivated not by trying to have an accurate trust system, but by his fear of negative trust (see also the first quote in #1 he sent to all DT members). Due to this, I think him and those who have fallen victim to selling out their morals in order to be in the current DT1 network should be excluded, preferably by other users, as I think it is clear that the trust network is going down a dangerous path guided by fear over truth.
but this latest drama with Lauda has opened my eyes a bit...
Yeah, I've distanced myself with her. What can you do? You speak out and you get negative trust...
How do I defriend Lauda without getting negative trust from her and ruining five years?
Do you think it’s acceptable that Lauda hasn’t tagged aTriz yet? Do you think there is any reason why everyone shouldn’t tag aTriz for what he did?
Let me answer that this way - how can I leave negative trust for either of them without ruining my account?
Thanks for this. Vod is an absolute piece of shit, I was trying to get my first loan and I offered to put my asics as collateral. This biased bastard Vod takes to my profile without batting an eye lid and claims I was looking for loan without collateral. Do you just enjoy giving negative reviews??? You do know it stays on my profile forever as a -1. So fvck you Vod thanks!
