[DISCONTINUED] cryp.today Mining revenue stats Scrypt Scrypt-N X11 X13

[suchmoon]

Charts have been updated for today. No major changes.

I'd like to remind again that there is some extra data in the spreadsheet, Performance Data tab:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VOAhFX1XRizdaTp71qnYI5pRh9VIZEQ51LHuGUmxri0/pubhtml

[suchmoon]

Thanks for this wonderful resource. It comes in super handy for me.  I do have one question is it possible from the user side to eliminate some of the pools being charted to reduce the clutter my vision isn't fantastic and its very hard for me to read some days. 

Thanks again

Steve

I'm working on a solution for that, in the meantime you can open the spreadsheet link and the charts there will allow you to highlight each line (click on the line itself or on the legend).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VOAhFX1XRizdaTp71qnYI5pRh9VIZEQ51LHuGUmxri0/pubhtml

[suchmoon]

Hey suchmmon,

Would it be possible for you to add ProfitHash (beta.profithash.com)? Thank you for all you are doing!!

I'll take a look, although at first glance this seems incorrect:

Current BTC / MH/s / Day 0.00137432 - 118% LTC

This should be ~80% LTC.

[sk00t3r]

Hey suchmmon,

Would it be possible for you to add ProfitHash (beta.profithash.com)? Thank you for all you are doing!!

I'll take a look, although at first glance this seems incorrect:

Current BTC / MH/s / Day 0.00137432 - 118% LTC

This should be ~80% LTC.

Thank you. If you need anything I am in constant contact with the developers and can get you whatever information you may need. Thanks again!!

[suchmoon]

Charts have been updated for today. No major changes.

A quick note about LTC profitability:

LTC difficulty was 6815 a month ago, now it's 10763 (58% increase). Together with LTC/BTC rate going down this has reduced LTC profitability roughly by half in the last month. Just wanted to spoil the day for ASIC owners

[Shastada]

I've been doing NiceHash X13 since they introduced it. It seems to be much better than X11 so far. Also they have the multi-algorithm switcher that seems interesting but haven't tried that yet. Both would be good additions to the list if you have the rigs to spare.

[kenshirothefist]

I've been doing NiceHash X13 since they introduced it. It seems to be much better than X11 so far. Also they have the multi-algorithm switcher that seems interesting but haven't tried that yet. Both would be good additions to the list if you have the rigs to spare.

+1 ... suchmoon, if you need any help with multi-algo, let me know.

[suchmoon]

I've been doing NiceHash X13 since they introduced it. It seems to be much better than X11 so far. Also they have the multi-algorithm switcher that seems interesting but haven't tried that yet. Both would be good additions to the list if you have the rigs to spare.

+1 ... suchmoon, if you need any help with multi-algo, let me know.

The problem with multi-algo is that it's only X11 and X13 essentially, Scrypt doesn't come close, maybe Scrypt-N will kick in at some point. But sgminer5 only works on AMD hardware, whereas the best hardware for X11 now is NVIDIA. That's why I'm not too happy with this approach of being tied to a special version of alpha-quality software, and having a pool-side hardcoded set of profitability ratios.

Having said that, it's a promising concept, and I see TMB adopted it too, so I'll try to put together a few 270X or whatever I can scrape from the bottom of the drawer.

[edonkey]

Charts have been updated for today. No major changes.

A quick note about LTC profitability:

LTC difficulty was 6815 a month ago, now it's 10763 (58% increase). Together with LTC/BTC rate going down this has reduced LTC profitability roughly by half in the last month. Just wanted to spoil the day for ASIC owners

Yeah, it's not a great time for us ASIC guys. I've been trying to keep a happy attitude, hoping that if enough GPU people move over to X11, maybe LTC difficulty will slow, or go down.

Of course that direction might be thwarted by the new monster ASICs that haven't been delivered yet. The potential of scores of Titans (and their ilk) slamming the network probably dwarfs the effect of GPU defectors.

[suchmoon]

Charts have been updated for today. No major changes.

A quick note about LTC profitability:

LTC difficulty was 6815 a month ago, now it's 10763 (58% increase). Together with LTC/BTC rate going down this has reduced LTC profitability roughly by half in the last month. Just wanted to spoil the day for ASIC owners

Yeah, it's not a great time for us ASIC guys. I've been trying to keep a happy attitude, hoping that if enough GPU people move over to X11, maybe LTC difficulty will slow, or go down.

Of course that direction might be thwarted by the new monster ASICs that haven't been delivered yet. The potential of scores of Titans (and their ilk) slamming the network probably dwarfs the effect of GPU defectors.

I've been somewhat successfully rolling over my ASICs to the newer models keeping the same price and increasing hashrate. Gridseed mini -> Gridseed Blade -> Zeus clones (although these should come bundled with nuclear reactors) -> Innosilicon, but it's just postponing the inevitable. If difficulty keeps rising like this I will eventually lose money. And if Titan doesn't scare you here is another preview of what's coming: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=645610 (these Chinese vendors have a history of actually delivering unlike e.g. Flower et al). The only hope is that between now and when the REALLY BIG ASICs arrive maybe there's going to be some slowdown.

[edonkey]

I've been somewhat successfully rolling over my ASICs to the newer models keeping the same price and increasing hashrate. Gridseed mini -> Gridseed Blade -> Zeus clones (although these should come bundled with nuclear reactors) -> Innosilicon, but it's just postponing the inevitable. If difficulty keeps rising like this I will eventually lose money. And if Titan doesn't scare you here is another preview of what's coming: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=645610 (these Chinese vendors have a history of actually delivering unlike e.g. Flower et al). The only hope is that between now and when the REALLY BIG ASICs arrive maybe there's going to be some slowdown.

By rolling over your ASICs do you mean that you've taken your profits and re-invested them in newer, cheaper and more powerful units? It's amazing how quickly expensive miners drop in price.

I'm thinking that I'll ride what I've got (Gridseed Mini's and DualMiners) into the sunset, because it seems like most (or all) of the shipping ASIC alternatives have little or no chance of an ROI (including all the Zeus and Innosilicon units, if you factor in the likely difficulty increase). I realize that this is an arms race, but the unfortunate truth appears to be that escalating doesn't really result in more profit.

It would be great if there was a game changing technology, like the 100MH for $2k units you linked above. That would be one of the cheapest dollar for MH/s solutions out there. Of course if it doesn't happen till the end of this year, it might be too late. And I can't bring myself to preorder any of these non-shipping products, even if that's the way the game is played.

[suchmoon]

By rolling over your ASICs do you mean that you've taken your profits and re-invested them in newer, cheaper and more powerful units? It's amazing how quickly expensive miners drop in price.

I'm selling soon-to-be-outdated ASICs and buying the second batch of the next best thing (first batch is typically overpriced). There is usually a moment in time where the old tech still has demand on eBay/craigslist/etc and can raise enough cash to buy more hashrate with the new tech. The only mistake I made so far was to trust Zeus. I'll stick to buying only in-stock and independently tested hardware from now on.

However even with the increasing hashrate my revenue has been declining so ROI is still unlikely albeit more probable than if i just held on to my first purchase of Gridseeds from February. No easy money, what a surprise 

GPUs on the other hand just refuse to die, X11/X13 is almost as good as Scrypt was a few months ago, considering the lower power/cooling requirements. Might outlive a few more generations of ASICs.

[tyknee]

... And if Titan doesn't scare you here is another preview of what's coming: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=645610 ...

Wow. 100MH/s for 2k?

[suchmoon]

... And if Titan doesn't scare you here is another preview of what's coming: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=645610 ...

Wow. 100MH/s for 2k?

... four months from now.

[edonkey]

By rolling over your ASICs do you mean that you've taken your profits and re-invested them in newer, cheaper and more powerful units? It's amazing how quickly expensive miners drop in price.

I'm selling soon-to-be-outdated ASICs and buying the second batch of the next best thing (first batch is typically overpriced). There is usually a moment in time where the old tech still has demand on eBay/craigslist/etc and can raise enough cash to buy more hashrate with the new tech. The only mistake I made so far was to trust Zeus. I'll stick to buying only in-stock and independently tested hardware from now on.

However even with the increasing hashrate my revenue has been declining so ROI is still unlikely albeit more probable than if i just held on to my first purchase of Gridseeds from February. No easy money, what a surprise  

GPUs on the other hand just refuse to die, X11/X13 is almost as good as Scrypt was a few months ago, considering the lower power/cooling requirements. Might outlive a few more generations of ASICs.

I think that I missed my window. After poking around on Ebay it looks like I could sell my GridSeed cupcakes and basically trade up to a blade, but the result would only be a 2 MH/s difference.

Probably not worth it. I might be able get the same increase by optimizing what I've got (volt modding and keeping an eye on pool profitability).

To that end, I noticed coinking.io on PoolPicker. Its published profitability has beat all of the other multis for the last few days. I know someone mentioned coinking on this thread about a week ago. Does anyone have experience with them?

[suchmoon]

Charts have been updated for today.

I have replaced my Scrypt test rigs with newer hardware. Technically this shouldn't have any significant effect on the charts since I'm calculating everything based on 1 MH/s no matter how that MH/s is generated. Going forward this change will make comparisons slightly more accurate since I'm now using exact same hardware for all Scrypt benchmarks and I'm rotating the miners between pools every 3 hours to make sure that even the slightest miner performance differences are equalized.

[LightningBlade]

Mining x13 in www.coinking.io multipool seems to be giving higher profitability then other pool.

[dyask]

Mining x13 in www.coinking.io multipool seems to be giving higher profitability then other pool.

x13:     /MH/Day: 0.00086495
Scrypt: /MH/Day: 0.00219660

Seems low ... What am I missing?

[ganabb]

Using an ASIC a chip that is more specialized to do a certain type of operation more efficiently than your regular GPUs/CPUs proof most wise.

[Accordus]

Mining x13 in www.coinking.io multipool seems to be giving higher profitability then other pool.

x13:     /MH/Day: 0.00086495
Scrypt: /MH/Day: 0.00219660

Seems low ... What am I missing?

Take into consideration that gpus hash 4,3 times faster for X11 and 3.44 times faster for X13 compared to Scrypt. (Not to mention 40% lower energy consumption)
I guess above numbers are raw numbers (not converted/racalculated in any way).