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September 10, 2019, 01:09:28 PM
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Please support the flags against the Rock Trading CFO and Rock Trading CTO to help warn about them:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=206
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=207
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=493

and give them negative feedback:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35172
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=15648


Quick updated summary:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.0


I) I have on the Rock Trading exchange 35519 euros and they covertly blocked all my means of withdrawal, including all crypto, 20 months ago (see balance scan below).

II) They refused several times to explain why. Now they wrote it was because the account was "dormant". Which is a complete lie: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51377323#msg51377323

III) They didn't tell me about the withdrawal block and let me keep entrapping more money with a deposit and trading/paying fees for months unaware of the block against what their TOS demands. This is fraud and a scam.

IV) When I complained on August 2018, they demanded my documents against what their FAQ said "verification isn't mandatory"and the Rock CFO had confirmed me by email that verification was voluntary. They removed this reference to the voluntary nature of verification probably on 16 may 2019, which is another confession that they are breaching it. But the original version is conserved here as it was on 2 November 2018: https://archive.fo/BNSfb
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51152105#msg51152105

V) Since I argued this, they eventually said I didn't have to send my documents, but they said that my money would be kept blocked "much more time".

VI) When I said I would take this public, they started demanding my documents again.

VII) Mandatory verification has no basis on their TOS, so they lied about an applicable european directive. But they know that the IV AML Directive ins't applicable to crypto exchanges. And the V AML Directive hasn't been adopted by Italy and it isn't applicable until Italy converts it into Italian Law. Moreover, even the V AML Directive only applies to crypto when there is fiat conversion/withdrawal. I want to withdraw bitcoin.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51753117#msg51753117

VIII) Italian Law, Legislative Decree No. 231/2007, as emended by Legislative Decree No. 90 of 25 May 2017, on AML and KYC duties, but his article 3, n.º 5, i), says that crypto exchanges are restrictively ("limitatamente") subject to this duties only on their operations of conversion from crypto to fiat. That is, to customers who ask for fiat withdrawals. I left clear that I wouldn't ask for any fiat withdrawal.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50490829#msg50490829

IX) They confessed they are ready to keep my money "forever" (cit), under the pretext of the illegal KYC: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg47458158#msg47458158

X) For months they kept raising abusive suspicious about my ownership, ignoring the overwhelming evidence, which is a fact confirming that asking for my documents is just a pretext in order for them to keep my money blocked. No honest person would deny my ownership. If I sent them my documents they would invent another pretext.

XI) What they are doing is completely contrary to italian law (quoted above) and their own TOS/FAQ (see detailed analysis https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg46225609#msg46225609
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg45001851#msg45001851


XII) This is now on the european arbitrage system and on an Italian Financial Arbitrator, after a complaint with full disclose of identity with the same names they have on file. This was confirmed by a banking transfer to pay for the complaint cost and by documents sent. There is no longer any anonymity, but they still refuse to return my money.
Since the Arbitrator said nothing, an italian prosecutor office, the italian garante of privacy and another financial authority were also contacted about this case.

XIII) Recently, they confessed several times that there isn't any security reason and that they know that the money is mine.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50017001#msg50017001
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50381769#msg50381769
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50353964#msg50353964


XIV) They also confessed they are holding my money just to know who I am:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg49576928#msg49576928
This is against their TOS and Italian Law. But they know that if they were right, the Arbitrator would give them all details. So, it's clear that this isn't the real reason.

XV) They also confessed that if they lose the case they are not going to respect the decision of the Arbitrator to release my money: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50017001#msg50017001
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50344427#msg50344427

XVI) Beware, the Rock CFO wrote he is ready to do to every unverified customer what they are doing to me, even without changing their own TOS/FAQ:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50060106#msg50060106 (translation and comment)

XVII) They breached their duty to respect the privacy of their customers and account security. They published here on bitcointalk almost all the personal details they had, including first name, nationality, gender, banking relations on a EU country and a full text of an 2013 email which was irrelevant to their defense:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg49989828#msg49989828 (italian)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50343815#msg50343815

XVIII) They confessed that they are not acting under their TOS/FAQ or italian law (so, they accept that they are breaching both) but claim to be "anticipating" the V AML European Directive that they know isn't applicable in Italy until converted in Italian Law:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg50016475#msg50016475 (italian)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50528161#msg50528161 (translation and comment)

XIX) Recently, on the end of July 2019, they inserted a new sentence on their FAQ: "If your account is unverified you will not be able to trade, deposit or withdraw cryptocurrencies and/or euro."
https://support.therocktrading.com/kb/faq.php?id=64
They are trying to "clean" now acts they done on December 2017 and August 2018! The authorities will see this as a clear confession of the illegality of these acts. Only changes FAQ the ones who breached them!


XX) They confirmed the main facts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg44951057#msg44951057

My evidence:

I) I have the login and password of my Rock account.

II) I have the login and password of the email associated with the account and I wrote them using this email.

III) The IP I have is and always have been from the same country and location.

IV) There is a second Rock account that the Rock knows is related to me. An email was sent from that email account confirming my identity.

V) I quoted detailed conversations I had with the CTO Paci on Second Life 6 years ago.

VI) I can confirm my identity using the Second Life account associated with my Rock account.

VII) I still own the banking account with the account number (IBAN) the Rock Trading has on file.

VIII) There is a coincidence between the two names on file with the Rock and names on the complaint to the Arbitrator.

IX) Recently, I signed a message with a bitcoin address used to make a deposit on the Rock Trading in 1 June 2017: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51271058#msg51271058

X) About 12 months passed since this public war started. If I wasn't the owner, the real me would already claimed the money. I told them I wouldn't login again and no one has login on the account for 10 months.

SCAM ALERT: All order books of The Rock Trading Exchange (www.therocktrading.com) are created by their bot and they use them to scam customers. They are also trying to steal 35519 euros. Read an updated summary on the OP
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.0
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September 21, 2019, 04:22:47 AM
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Need support:
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Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186348
Reason: Loan defualted.
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September 21, 2019, 04:32:19 AM
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Need support:
Flag
Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186348
Reason: Loan defualted.

Supported. Just curious - why did you use type 2 (casual/implied) instead of type 3 (written)? To me it seems a loan like that is a solid written contract.
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September 21, 2019, 04:34:14 AM
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Need support:
Flag
Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186348
Reason: Loan defualted.

Supported. Just curious - why did you use type 2 (casual/implied) instead of type 3 (written)? To me it seems a loan like that is a solid written contract.
Okay from next time will use type 3. Thanks.
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Maybe is offtopic, but it's related to flags. I guess LoyceV is adequate to answer  Cheesy
Is there any statistics on how much each user have supported/opposed flags?

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September 21, 2019, 08:46:03 PM
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Is there any statistics on how much each user have supported/opposed flags?
See LoyceV's (Personal) Trust Flag viewer [daily updates] Smiley

Or Personal Trust Flag viewer for examplens.

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September 24, 2019, 05:00:49 PM
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Here is a request to have these flags removed because they have been created purely as a defence mechanism to attack the users that exposed their scam.

Could moderators please ban the sock-puppet accounts because they have created flags against users that are vexatious and vindictive in nature.

As per the following post from theymos, I request action be taken: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153344.msg51435911

"Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements.
If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP.
People who are habitually wrong, even not knowingly, should also be removed."




The following flags have been created by sock-puppets owned and operated by Spectrocoin / Bankera owner VYTAUTAS KARALEVIČIUS. Many of his sock-puppet accounts have supported the flags too to give them a false sense of backing.

The common factor between these flags is that they were created in response to attack well respected members of this community because they exposed Bankera and Spectrocoin as scammers. Both are operated by scammers VYTAUTAS KARALEVIČIUS

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1094569;page=iflags (a revenge attack on mosprognoz)
created by: EA001
supported by: SpectroCoin_support, Bankera, huup, JohnnyBTC197, jamolo, JimmySlander, Scroogge, EA001, moris2025, MontyMcMoo, weriu, macinino, Edvardas11, Valsabbiacoin, gazpa

created by: jamolo
supported by: huup, kronwel, JohnnyBTC197, jamolo, SP!, JimmySlander, Scroogge, EA001, moris2025, MontyMcMoo, majestyz5, manocoinas, macinino, Valsabbiacoin, DCP1979, gazpa


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855;page=iflags (a revenge attack on JollyGood)
created by: JimmySlander
supported by: JimmySlander


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=317618;page=iflags (a revenge attack on nutildah)
created by: JohnnyBTC197
supported by: JohnnyBTC197, jamolo, JimmySlander, Scroogge, moris2025, MontyMcMoo, macinino


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1165766;page=iflags (a revenge attack on gorbal)
created by: JimmySlander  
supported by: huup, humerh3, JohnnyBTC197, jamolo, SP!, JimmySlander, Scroogge, EA001, moris2025, MontyMcMoo, gryazev1978, macinino, Valsabbiacoin, gazpa


Until such time the moderators hopefully remove the flags and hopefully ban the sock-puppet accounts I request that users from the community kindly add their opposition to all of the flags. Thank you.

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September 24, 2019, 06:04:47 PM
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As per the following post from theymos, I request action be taken:
I don't expect Admin to remove Flags, theymos only said he'll work on removing them from DT, and these users aren't anywhere near DT.

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I made BBCode for this in my Trust Flag viewer:
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September 24, 2019, 06:09:16 PM
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A couple of new contract flags for a known scammer:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=766
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=767
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September 26, 2019, 06:18:59 PM
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@Loyce

Regarding this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.msg52546722#msg52546722

Those flags have been created with a specific allegation, take for example this one:

"jamolo alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with jamolo alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with mosprognoz is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions. is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions."

The thread in question is "Bankera" and neither mosprognoz, myself, nutildah or gorbal asked for money. The allegation is that anybody dealing with any of us is at significant risk of losing money. That is wholly false.

Is there any action at all that be taken against the authors of these vexatious claims?

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Bitstarz not only preventing a player from receiving their winnings but also preventing them from receiving their deposit. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=770

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September 26, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
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Is there any action at all that be taken against the authors of these vexatious claims?
I'd say Opposing the Flags by DT, and maybe excluding the users from their Trust list is enough. They're unimportant to the Trust system.

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September 26, 2019, 06:29:03 PM
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Bitstarz not only preventing a player from receiving their winnings but also preventing them from receiving their deposit. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=770

Shouldn't this be an implied contract flag? This is similar to the Livecoin issue I think.
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Bitstarz not only preventing a player from receiving their winnings but also preventing them from receiving their deposit. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=770
Shouldn't this be an implied contract flag? This is similar to the Livecoin issue I think.
Flags are complicated... :/

I messaged the user in question regarding the issue so if a type 2 fits better then we can talk to them about it.

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@Loyce

Regarding this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.msg52546722#msg52546722

Those flags have been created with a specific allegation, take for example this one:

"jamolo alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with jamolo alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with mosprognoz is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions. is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions."

The thread in question is "Bankera" and neither mosprognoz, myself, nutildah or gorbal asked for money. The allegation is that anybody dealing with any of us is at significant risk of losing money. That is wholly false.

Is there any action at all that be taken against the authors of these vexatious claims?

Yeah.... did you also mention the fact that you repeatedly picked a fight at that topic and continuously choose to spread false info. Like phone numbers supposedly not working, sending false office claims. Etc... I even saw a claim where a picture off a souvenir shop was used to tell the people that that was the office off bankera.

Next to that you and your friend mosprognoz made dozens off post on the topic with dozens off lies and then started a topic there was to much “buzz” and pump’s? You are the scam artist here and a disgrace to this entire space.

The thread is locked thnx to you and your spamming friend. We never minded you to post on your own topics all those false claims about my project. But who gives you the right to fuck up the conversation for other people? Who gives you the right to make this ridiculously false stupid claims all day long. Real people invested in those projects and you come by for the fun off it and make that shit? Multiple official agencies have tested, audited and have given licenses. But somehow you think you are an authority? Hope you had your fun keyboard warrior. But if you had any balls you showed us your reall name and didn’t have to have hide behind your fake profile. Because in the real world where real authorities live you would have been sued into oblivion. With your stupid scam list!

Anyway you got what you want the topic is closed. Pathetic child!

aja and claiming on 23 september you are not going to post on our topics anymore:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186721.msg52537677#msg52537677

But 24 september (a day later starting again, isn's exactlty stopping)  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577176.msg52546568#msg52546568

the only reason it stopped is because the thread was locked.
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September 26, 2019, 07:02:40 PM
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Is there any action at all that be taken against the authors of these vexatious claims?
I'd say Opposing the Flags by DT, and maybe excluding the users from their Trust list is enough. They're unimportant to the Trust system.


Thank you Loyce. Great advice as usual.

I made it clear in a post in a different thread I would not be posting in the Bankera scam and Spectrocoin scam threads again as they were being pushed up with every post however when the sock-puppets posted nothing happened, the thread was regularly languishing around pages 4-6 of the listing. I also sent a request to other users to not post in those scam threads again because of the unfortunate side-effect of pushing the scams to page 1 of the listings.

On my part I added all the sock-puppets related to the Spectrocoin scam and the Bankera scam as well as several other scams on my IGNORE list because they were not worth engaging with. Fortunately, now when they post I only see the user name and do not have to read their trash. Sometimes they follow me around and post after me in various threads but at least I do not have to read anything they post.

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September 26, 2019, 07:03:55 PM
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Reminder:
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Self moderated to stop spam.
Don't go off-topic.
Don't challenge the accused in this topic, do that in your Scam Accusation.

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September 27, 2019, 07:24:28 AM
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Is there any action at all that be taken against the authors of these vexatious claims?
I'd say Opposing the Flags by DT, and maybe excluding the users from their Trust list is enough. They're unimportant to the Trust system.


Thank you Loyce. Great advice as usual.

I made it clear in a post in a different thread I would not be posting in the Bankera scam and Spectrocoin scam threads again as they were being pushed up with every post however when the sock-puppets posted nothing happened, the thread was regularly languishing around pages 4-6 of the listing. I also sent a request to other users to not post in those scam threads again because of the unfortunate side-effect of pushing the scams to page 1 of the listings.

On my part I added all the sock-puppets related to the Spectrocoin scam and the Bankera scam as well as several other scams on my IGNORE list because they were not worth engaging with. Fortunately, now when they post I only see the user name and do not have to read their trash. Sometimes they follow me around and post after me in various threads but at least I do not have to read anything they post.

Unfortunately there's nothing you can do to stop someone from opening a flag on you, but as Loyce pointed out, the flags are of little to no importance thanks to the lack of status of the accounts supporting it. Not much more to be done about Bankera at this point anyway!

I think flags disappear after, what was it? 90 or 180 days without support? But since the flags against us do technically have support, I don't think they're going anywhere, unfortunately...

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I think flags disappear after, what was it? 90 or 180 days without support?
I haven't read that before. I don't think Flags ever disappear, although type 2 expires after 3 years, and type 3 expires after 10 years.
Type 1 is forever!

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September 27, 2019, 11:50:20 AM
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Unfortunately there's nothing you can do to stop someone from opening a flag on you, but as Loyce pointed out, the flags are of little to no importance thanks to the lack of status of the accounts supporting it. Not much more to be done about Bankera at this point anyway!

I think flags disappear after, what was it? 90 or 180 days without support? But since the flags against us do technically have support, I don't think they're going anywhere, unfortunately...


Who knows, maybe in the future modifications will be made that allow certain higher ranked members to remove certain types of flags.

Keeping that aside you are right when you say the flags have little or no support and therefore little relevance regardless of whether they stay put or not.



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