ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Haunebu]

no one in their right mind can say BCCI is not corrupt but it doesn't mean they are alone in this game of corruption. the only difference is BCCI got bigger share and lot to lose.

Makes sense. Every board is corrupt to an extent including pathetic ICC who stick to their archaic rules(Example : Use boundary count to decide the winner of a World tournament).

They smartly poke famous players on social media and act like they are the central authority when BCCI is the actual central authority working behind the scenes like the Illuminati using ICC as their puppets due to obvious reasons.

[Sithara007]

ICC was proposing the T-20 world cup every year and ODI World cup every 3 year. call it dick move or smart move but its not rocket science that ICC wanted to grab the global media rights (2023-2028) and guess who was the bigger loser?

I am not sure about this, and I don't know how reliable this information is. Unless the same appears on the ICC website or at least on espncricinfo, I am going to regard it as mere rumor. Hosting the T20 World Cup every year is not practical and it doesn't make any sense. How can a world cup be conducted every year? The same goes for the ODI world cup as well. Ever since 1979, the tournament is being conducted on a 4-yearly basis, and I don't think that they are going to change that all of a sudden.

BTW, one of the reasons given in the article is wrong. Check this:

"If the broadcaster spends Rs 60 on buying ICC rights for 2023-28 period, then when BCCI enters the market, the company will have may be Rs 40 in its pocket. I see it as an attempt to attack BCCI's revenue stream. It's up to Ganguly and Jay Shah to deal with this issue," the senior official said.

This is pure negative thinking. Why they are assuming that only one broadcaster will be interested in broadcasting the tournaments? For example, if Star Sports exhausts its quota of Rs.100 on BCCI tournaments, some other broadcaster (SONY-ESPN?) may come in for the ICC tournaments. So the total of Rs.100 will increase to Rs.140.

[mersal]

ICC was proposing the T-20 world cup every year and ODI World cup every 3 year. call it dick move or smart move but its not rocket science that ICC wanted to grab the global media rights (2023-2028) and guess who was the bigger loser?

I am not sure about this, and I don't know how reliable this information is. Unless the same appears on the ICC website or at least on espncricinfo, I am going to regard it as mere rumor. Hosting the T20 World Cup every year is not practical and it doesn't make any sense. How can a world cup be conducted every year? The same goes for the ODI world cup as well. Ever since 1979, the tournament is being conducted on a 4-yearly basis, and I don't think that they are going to change that all of a sudden.

BTW, one of the reasons given in the article is wrong. Check this:

I did read the same news few months earlier but don't know is this just a rumour or not but BCCI have a reason to propose that because BCCI can influence ICC even and also they will get big chunk of ptofit share compared to other cricket boards so more matches more money that is simple to understand.

[JSRAW]

ICC was proposing the T-20 world cup every year and ODI World cup every 3 year. call it dick move or smart move but its not rocket science that ICC wanted to grab the global media rights (2023-2028) and guess who was the bigger loser?

I am not sure about this, and I don't know how reliable this information is. Unless the same appears on the ICC website or at least on espncricinfo, I am going to regard it as mere rumor. Hosting the T20 World Cup every year is not practical and it doesn't make any sense. How can a world cup be conducted every year? The same goes for the ODI world cup as well. Ever since 1979, the tournament is being conducted on a 4-yearly basis, and I don't think that they are going to change that all of a sudden.  

Yeah, you can say that because its coming from BCCI perspective.

But this might clear, basically one ICC tournament every year and total 8 Tournament in next cycle.

1. Two 50 overs world cup, 4 T-20 World Cup are fixed in 8 years.
2. Two extra ICC tournament, it could be T-20 WC or 50 overs WC or they can give new name just like Champions Trophy, not clear atm. So its open to discussion that what those extra tournaments are.

ICC approves new tournament despite BCCI's concerns

Cricket's global governing body is headed towards a confrontation with the game's biggest powerhouse after the ICC decided to include an extra tournament in the next rights cycle overlooking objections from the BCCI.

On Monday the ICC Board gave consent to include an extra global tournament in the next events rights cycle, which starts after the 2023 World Cup. As it stands, the ICC's decision, made at its meeting in Dubai over the weekend, means that its next eight-year cycle running from 2023 to 2031 would have one ICC global (both men's and women's) event every year: two 50-over World Cups, four T20 World Cups and two editions of this extra event, which is understood to be in the 50-overs format.

Background story in context:

Historically, T-20 World cup has no fixed gap year. ICC used to shuffle it according to their schedule or CT. Some time they play back to back years, sometimes after every 2 years and next time (2020) after 4 years. But ICC wants to change this that's why they scrapped the CT (actual reasons are revenue) and came up with this : Back-to-back World T20s to replace Champions Trophy Next 2 T-20 world cup ( 2020 and 2021)

I will write about BCCI vs ICC vs Each Board and over all struggle in details next time. otherwise its going to be very long post. bottom line is there is no black and White characters.

[Haunebu]

But this might clear, basically one ICC tournament every year and total 8 Tournament in next cycle.

1. Two 50 overs world cup, 4 T-20 World Cup are fixed in 8 years.
2. Two extra ICC tournament, it could be T-20 WC or 50 overs WC or they can give new name just like Champions Trophy, not clear atm. So its open to discussion that what those extra tournaments are.

Lol. The World Cup will basically become like the IPL and other yearly tournaments reducing its significance in my opinion which is why I don't think this is a great idea at all. Current gap should be reduced to something like 3 years and nothing less.

However, this could prove to be a hit since we can expect big things from such tournaments, but I have no idea how they can manage with tightly packed schedules these days. Lots of interesting news.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Conducting a global tournament every 12 months is a bad idea, IMO. In combination with the other T20 tournaments and bilateral series, it will add to a flood of matches. In the end, these tournaments will lose whatever importance they have among the fans now and the revenues will decline. So in the end, it will have just the opposite effect. Rather than a global tournament, why can't they have local tournaments such as Asia Cup? But I guess in that case the revenues will flow in to the ACC rather than the ICC.

[7788bitcoin]

Lol. The World Cup will basically become like the IPL and other yearly tournaments reducing its significance in my opinion which is why I don't think this is a great idea at all. Current gap should be reduced to something like 3 years and nothing less.

There is not much time for everyone to watch these matches and even now the schedules are tightly packed and there is no need to reduce the gap, Soccer world cup is four years and so does the Olympics and they can time the world cups for ODI and T20 so that every two years we see a global event and not more than that, if they reduce the gap then the significance will be lost and the amount of money they hope they can make will be just a dream.

[Clement Kaliyar]

Conducting a global tournament every 12 months is a bad idea, IMO. In combination with the other T20 tournaments and bilateral series, it will add to a flood of matches.

There is no problem in conducting global tournaments every year but you cannot call them the world cup as it will defenitly impact the importance of the world cup and i hope they will not make any changes in that, i am sure the ICC will be planning to do that every year looking at the success and the money IPL and other franchises are making every year and they too want to make money, money rules everyone  .

[Sithara007]

There is a statement from the Cricket Australia officials regarding the proposed quadrangular tournament in India. Kevin Roberts (CEO of CA) sounded like he is not too excited about the new proposal, and even hinted that it is necessary to grow cricket outside the big 3 nations. It will be interesting to see the reaction from the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB). I strongly suspect that the new tournament proposal is going to create a wedge, with CA on one side and BCCI and ECB on the other side.
 
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28374505/need-grow-cricket-india-cricket-australia-chief

Kevin Roberts, the Cricket Australia chief executive, has pledged New Zealand will be granted more frequent Boxing Day Tests as he acknowledged that the game's financial powerhouses needed to work together to ensure that it grows healthier outside the cricket super economies of India, England and Australia.

[JSRAW]

But this might clear, basically one ICC tournament every year and total 8 Tournament in next cycle.

1. Two 50 overs world cup, 4 T-20 World Cup are fixed in 8 years.
2. Two extra ICC tournament, it could be T-20 WC or 50 overs WC or they can give new name just like Champions Trophy, not clear atm. So its open to discussion that what those extra tournaments are.

Lol. The World Cup will basically become like the IPL and other yearly tournaments reducing its significance in my opinion which is why I don't think this is a great idea at all. Current gap should be reduced to something like 3 years and nothing less.

However, this could prove to be a hit since we can expect big things from such tournaments, but I have no idea how they can manage with tightly packed schedules these days. Lots of interesting news.

I think no one likes overdose of World cup or annual ICC tournament. if ICC is up for experiment and really thinking about World Cricket then they should take risk on 16-20 team T-20 WC or new territory of T-10 Cricket. 

[huige007]

no one in their right mind can say BCCI is not corrupt but it doesn't mean they are alone in this game of corruption. the only difference is BCCI got bigger share and lot to lose.

Makes sense. Every board is corrupt to an extent including pathetic ICC who stick to their archaic rules(Example : Use boundary count to decide the winner of a World tournament).

They smartly poke famous players on social media and act like they are the central authority when BCCI is the actual central authority working behind the scenes like the Illuminati using ICC as their puppets due to obvious reasons.

There are many propagandas operating on large scales in world and as far as illuminatis are concerned, they never make those puppets that are not having impact all over the world. ICC has many stupid rules like the one you have mentioned and there are often seen scandals about this board as well. The political pressure and economical influence of countries also affect the decisions being taken by ICC.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I think no one likes overdose of World cup or annual ICC tournament. if ICC is up for experiment and really thinking about World Cricket then they should take risk on 16-20 team T-20 WC or new territory of T-10 Cricket. 

Increasing the number of teams in the CWC is out of question. In the ODI world cup, the number of teams have been reduced to 10 from 16, and in the T20 World Cup, it have been reduced to 12 (I am excluding the "qualifier" phase of the T20 world cup). BCCI/ECB want to reduce this number further and in the near future we may never see the minnows playing in the world cup.

The T10 format is not something that I liked. Some changes are needed to make it an even contest between the bowlers and the batsmen. 60 balls for 11 batsmen is going a bit too far. The batsmen will start smashing from the very first ball, and none of the batting techniques matter in T10. Cricket will become more like baseball.

[ene1980]

BCCI/ECB want to reduce this number further and in the near future we may never see the minnows playing in the world cup.

This is the only time these minnow teams are getting the opportunity to play against quality players and it might help them improve over time and we have seen Ireland shocking teams in the world cup and we must of neglect that part and i think that Afghanistan improved their performance because of the opportunity they got when playing in the IPL and now they have a world class spinner.

The T10 format is not something that I liked. Some changes are needed to make it an even contest between the bowlers and the batsmen. 60 balls for 11 batsmen is going a bit too far. The batsmen will start smashing from the very first ball, and none of the batting techniques matter in T10. Cricket will become more like baseball.

I think T10 is overkill, i was skeptical when the T20 format was introduced but then it was fun to watch but it did not help the case of the bowlers as all the rules favored the batsman, i really like to watch a contest between bat and ball and that shows the class and skill of a player rather than seeing a player smashing the ball over the small boundaries because of top edge.

[pakhitheboss]

What's with this new controversy started by shoaib akhtar?

Is he looking for an opportunity to work in India or why was the religion card played when the discussion was related to bowling?

Why are these so called gentelmen trying to politicise the game. There are drawbacks to every game but that does not mean you come out after so many years now.

I think this was a deliberate attempt by the retired fast bowler to be in the limelight.

What do you guys think?

[Sithara007]

What's with this new controversy started by shoaib akhtar?

From what I heard, Shoaib Akhtar had a personal grudge against certain senior players (especially Inzamam ul Haq and Saeed Anwar), due to religion-related issues. Akhtar was known as non-religious and these senior players were not happy with his lack of religiosity. There used to be a lot of bad blood, after Akhtar refused to take part in Namaaz ceremony, organized by Inzy. Even the Christian player (Yousaf Youhana) used to participate in these sessions, but both Kaneria and Akhtar would refuse. 

[JSRAW]

I think no one likes overdose of World cup or annual ICC tournament. if ICC is up for experiment and really thinking about World Cricket then they should take risk on 16-20 team T-20 WC or new territory of T-10 Cricket. 

Increasing the number of teams in the CWC is out of question. In the ODI world cup, the number of teams have been reduced to 10 from 16, and in the T20 World Cup, it have been reduced to 12 (I am excluding the "qualifier" phase of the T20 world cup). BCCI/ECB want to reduce this number further and in the near future we may never see the minnows playing in the world cup.

I have a hard time finding a solution otherwise. And i am in favor of more team in T-20 WC (not 50-50) as in T-20 format every team has a good chance of winning the game, it might be financial suicide if top team gets out early (like 2007) but all cricketing boards/ICC should take this risk or stop their so called lip service. If its not happening then i don't see much global adoption of cricket in next 20-40 years.

The T10 format is not something that I liked. Some changes are needed to make it an even contest between the bowlers and the batsmen. 60 balls for 11 batsmen is going a bit too far. The batsmen will start smashing from the very first ball, and none of the batting techniques matter in T10. Cricket will become more like baseball.

Short format is all about smashing so i don't really mind if its used for a commercial purpose. for T-10 they can limit the number of batsmen, ex; 4-5 who can bat and same with bowlers. so yeah shitty or modified version of baseball.

What do you guys think?

Not appropriate thread to discuss bro.

[BitSat19]

What's with this new controversy started by shoaib akhtar?

From what I heard, Shoaib Akhtar had a personal grudge against certain senior players (especially Inzamam ul Haq and Saeed Anwar), due to religion-related issues. Akhtar was known as non-religious and these senior players were not happy with his lack of religiosity. There used to be a lot of bad blood, after Akhtar refused to take part in Namaaz ceremony, organized by Inzy. Even the Christian player (Yousaf Youhana) used to participate in these sessions, but both Kaneria and Akhtar would refuse. 

@Sithara007 is on target there was too many problems in presence of Inzamam ul Haq as he was with full control and if someone going against him there was no room for this player Inzamam ul Haq#s this attitude create too many problems and differences between players Shoaib Akhtar is also hungry for media advertising so he also create too many dramas.
@JSRAW you are good we no need to talk about this shit if some one want then surely he need to start his own thread in Politics & Society.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

From what I heard, Shoaib Akhtar had a personal grudge against certain senior players (especially Inzamam ul Haq and Saeed Anwar), due to religion-related issues. Akhtar was known as non-religious and these senior players were not happy with his lack of religiosity. There used to be a lot of bad blood, after Akhtar refused to take part in Namaaz ceremony, organized by Inzy. Even the Christian player (Yousaf Youhana) used to participate in these sessions, but both Kaneria and Akhtar would refuse. 

Why should Shoaib Akhtar having a grudge for not participating, it is a personal choice to begin with but if he is a loose cannon and not following them then they should have a grudge against Shoaib Akhtar as they are not participating in their religious functions, since Akhtar started a youtube channel he needs contents to talk about and may be that is the reason he touched this controversial topic as it will get huge coverage and advertisement for his channel and thereby more visitors and that means more money .

[pakhitheboss]

From what I heard, Shoaib Akhtar had a personal grudge against certain senior players (especially Inzamam ul Haq and Saeed Anwar), due to religion-related issues. Akhtar was known as non-religious and these senior players were not happy with his lack of religiosity. There used to be a lot of bad blood, after Akhtar refused to take part in Namaaz ceremony, organized by Inzy. Even the Christian player (Yousaf Youhana) used to participate in these sessions, but both Kaneria and Akhtar would refuse. 

Why should Shoaib Akhtar having a grudge for not participating, it is a personal choice to begin with but if he is a loose cannon and not following them then they should have a grudge against Shoaib Akhtar as they are not participating in their religious functions, since Akhtar started a youtube channel he needs contents to talk about and may be that is the reason he touched this controversial topic as it will get huge coverage and advertisement for his channel and thereby more visitors and that means more money .

I agree it is all about his YouTube channel!
Money makes a fool rich and a rich fool. The story ends here.

I am sorry to start such a shit topic here.

[Sithara007]

I have a hard time finding a solution otherwise. And i am in favor of more team in T-20 WC (not 50-50) as in T-20 format every team has a good chance of winning the game, it might be financial suicide if top team gets out early (like 2007) but all cricketing boards/ICC should take this risk or stop their so called lip service. If its not happening then i don't see much global adoption of cricket in next 20-40 years.

Globalization of cricket was the brainchild of Jagmohan Dalmiya, when he was the President of the International Cricket Council (1997-2000). His policies were reversed immediately in 2000, once Malcolm Gray became the next president. And for the next two decades, the situation has not changed. The current leadership of ICC has no interest in popularizing the game. And adding cricket to Olympics would have helped the globalization much more than adding minnows to the CWC, but once again the current leadership of ICC is not interested in the idea.