La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2024/25

[Oluwa-btc]

I saw that the Barcelona team played very badly in this match, the team's performance was really lower than usual shown by Xavi's men in the match against Rayo Vallecano, in fact I saw that there was a slight advantage for Barcelona to get points, if there were no kill goals. from the Rayo Vallecano players, maybe Barcelona will experience defeat.
This result makes Barcelona even more points behind in the La Liga standings, but I only focus on the team's performance, if Xavi is not able to revive the performance of the Barcelona team, perhaps they will be even further behind in points from Real Madrid and Girona.

Barcelona is little by little moving away from the title race. I think this is bad news. A difference of 3 points with the 1st ranked team which still has 1 match left means that Barcelona could potentially be left even further behind. If Girona, Madrid and Atletico Madrid are able to finish the match with a win then it will be a very difficult mission for Barca to chase the title. We know that in the Spanish League, even a difference of 3 points is very difficult to overcome.

If Girona wins their next match against Athletic Club, they will move 6 points ahead of Barcelona. If Real Madrid wins their next match against Cadiz, they will move 4 points clear of Barcelona. Closing this point gap will be a tough task for Barcelona. Because the performances of Girona and Madrid are very consistent. On the other hand, Barcelona's performance is not stable. Real Madrid or Atletico Madrid will probably win the title this season. If Barcelona continues with such erratic performances, winning the title will not be possible.

I'm feeling disappointed for the injuries Real Madrid have had recently, the absence of these players leave Carlo Ancellotti with no other option but to play with Luka Modric and Toni Kroos alongside Valverde since his major game starters this season are all Injured. When these players leave Real Madrid ( Luka Modric and Toni Kroos ) Real Madrid better get good players who are not gon be out for long with Injuries.

I'm certain Girona would win. The games seems difficult no doubt but they have to show them strength when it feels like they're weak. I want them maintaining the top of the stairs until the end of December. Barcelona should find themselves, otherwise, Real Madrid, Girona and Atletico Madrid would be long gone before they do.

[MusaMohamed]

Atletico Madrid won this match comfortably, a well-deserved one. They controlled the pitch throughout the game and only allowed Mallorca one attempt on goal. Atm has recently started scoring more goals, but they are still known for their strong defense. This was a typical Atletico performance.

They dominated this game by showing their real character in entire game. Their defense was solid as always, and they have been a threat going forward. Their attacking style is much better which is encouraging to see that they're scoring more goals lately, as that was one of their weaknesses in the past. Overall, it was a a good game by Atlético Madrid.

Atletico Madrid dominated the match and they would have won the match more easily if their attacking players do their jobs better. Their players wasted many opportunities in the match and they luckily got a late goal from Griezman to have 3 important points. More amazing, it is from a head shot from a player like Griezman so even they won it, their coach will have to work with their players to sharpen finishing skills for next matches.

They are still lucky because they can still get 1 point from this match after one of the players from Rayo Vallecano accidentally committed an own goal, making the score 1-1. I think this is a fair result for these two teams, yes although Barcelona controlled the game more, but in terms of the opportunities they created it was not much different. Rayo Vallecano can still provide resistance amid the pressure they receive, even they can create goals and excel first in the first half. It took until 82 minutes of the match for Barcelona to equalize, and that too through an opponent's own goal.

Barcelona will see more effects from injury cases in their club. This season, they have more competition and pressure from Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid. The appearance of Girona in top area of La Liga is another challenge for Barcelona. It will cause more difficulty for their task to defend La Liga title. At least they got one point from Rayo Vallecano that is better than if they lose the match. They will have to analyze the match, work internally to find things they can improve for next matches.

In this season, if Barcelona won't be careful, they will lose La Liga title to Real Madrid or Atletico Madrid and I am sorry to Girona but I still don't see chance for them to beat big clubs and win La Liga.

[tiCeR]

I saw that the Barcelona team played very badly in this match, the team's performance was really lower than usual shown by Xavi's men in the match against Rayo Vallecano, in fact I saw that there was a slight advantage for Barcelona to get points, if there were no kill goals. from the Rayo Vallecano players, maybe Barcelona will experience defeat.
This result makes Barcelona even more points behind in the La Liga standings, but I only focus on the team's performance, if Xavi is not able to revive the performance of the Barcelona team, perhaps they will be even further behind in points from Real Madrid and Girona.

Barcelona is little by little moving away from the title race. I think this is bad news. A difference of 3 points with the 1st ranked team which still has 1 match left means that Barcelona could potentially be left even further behind. If Girona, Madrid and Atletico Madrid are able to finish the match with a win then it will be a very difficult mission for Barca to chase the title. We know that in the Spanish League, even a difference of 3 points is very difficult to overcome.

If Girona wins their next match against Athletic Club, they will move 6 points ahead of Barcelona. If Real Madrid wins their next match against Cadiz, they will move 4 points clear of Barcelona. Closing this point gap will be a tough task for Barcelona. Because the performances of Girona and Madrid are very consistent. On the other hand, Barcelona's performance is not stable. Real Madrid or Atletico Madrid will probably win the title this season. If Barcelona continues with such erratic performances, winning the title will not be possible.

They are definitely the most exciting team in La Liga right now and it is refreshing to see a club that is supposed to be so much lower in the table now create some exciting action and push the big clubs Real Madrid and Barcelona and also Atletico Madrid. It is nice tension to not now where they could end up this season. I am not sure if they can go all the way, but they are doing well and I think this won't come to an end anytime soon.

[Essential10]

Let's see if Real Madrid can continue their unbeaten run and secure a victory against struggling Cadiz in today's match at  Nuevo Mirandilla. With Carlo Ancelotti's trust in Jude Bellingham and the team's recent strong performance, it seems like Real Madrid are in a good position to come out on top. It will be interesting to see if they can maintain their form and temporarily claim the top spot in the league standings with a win over Cadiz.

[mamesso]

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Barcelona is little by little moving away from the title race. I think this is bad news. A difference of 3 points with the 1st ranked team which still has 1 match left means that Barcelona could potentially be left even further behind. If Girona, Madrid and Atletico Madrid are able to finish the match with a win then it will be a very difficult mission for Barca to chase the title. We know that in the Spanish League, even a difference of 3 points is very difficult to overcome.

Yes, bad news for Barcelona fans because their team will be further behind if Real Madrid and Girona manage to win the match in Week 14. The decline in Barcelona performance was actually welcomed by its competitors, they were able to have more freedom in securing their position because they did not receive a serious threat from Barcelona. Losing two points at Rayo Vallecano headquarters shouldn't have happened because on paper Barcelona can easily win over Rayo.

Due to the lack of connection between fellow players and not spreading many threats towards the opponent's goal, Barcelona had difficulty scoring goals. Now Barcelona has to go down one place, Barcelona, which is currently in 4th place, has played 14 games, while Atletico, Real Madrid and Girona have only completed 13 games. Xavi must keep Barcelona's performances consistent if he doesn't want his team to fall out of the title race this season.

[bangjoe]

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The experience of Head to Head of Bilbao vs Girona is fairly equivalent from the two teams, but for this week's match Girona is statistically more favored to get a victory against Bilbao later.

So far, Girona players are still fairly complete even though Toni Villa is injured, and I think the chance of injury that will be experienced by Girona is very small, while other big teams have greater opportunities for players to experience injury because they follow the UCL which is fairly competitive and all teams Those who compete there will mobilize all its resources in order to get the perfect results that have the risk of many players who are exhausted and injured.

For this week's match I think Girona can still win the match against Bilbao, but I doubt it because the ball is round and anything can happen on the field that might not be like my expectations, for sure you are right that when Girona can win against Bilbao it becomes a big warning for the big team of La Liga.

The H2H between both teams are fairly even but on current form, Girona is a better team than Bilbao. Girona seems to be the favorites of this encounter, the Griona team have less amount of injured players and that’s a plus for the team going forward compared to some other Spanish counterparts, this is their opportunity to win a major trophy and i believe they would want to seize it.

This weekend I’ll be tipping Girona to come out top of this clash and steal all 3 points, Bilbao won’t be a threat to this current Girona side, cause most of their players have got lots of time to rest during the international break and would be fully ready to face Bilbao in this weeks challenge.

it is possible and the victory can be brought home by Girona in the match against Bilbao, I think if you look from the side that Girona players have a lot of time to rest after the international break, I think Bilbao also has the same thing. but indeed I also admit that the favorite of this match is Girona and in performance Girona is more favored.

And Girona should be able to get more points against Bilbao to stay at the top of the standings, and we know that Barcelona was held to a draw by Rayo which made the distance quite far, while Real Madrid is still waiting will face Cadiz which has the possibility that Real Madrid will win the match, so if Girona loses, the top position of the standings will return to Real Madrid.

[Jody.Drummer]

Real Madrid will travel to Cadiz this week, certainly they cannot be strengthened by several names due to injury. But I don't think it will be a big problem when facing Cadiz, because in the composition of Real Madrid players still have good players, and even when compared I think Real Madrid's reserve players still have the same quality as the main players from Cadiz.
They must take advantage of this match, because they can stay away from Barcelona after this week can only draw. Not only that, they also have to be able to stick tight to Girona, who will play a match 1 day after their match.

[Oluwa-btc]

Today Real Madrid can surely take the lead temporarily from Girona. The current opponent is Cadiz in an away game. There are missing players such as Camavinga, Tchouameni, Vinicius Junior and Kepa according to my source. But this still shouldn't create a huge problem for Real Madrid this evening on beating Cadiz nicely.

Before anything else Bellingham's solo performance might even be good enough to beat their opponent. Cadiz are experiencing a terrible season now and I don't think this will be the game they take a deep breath. It would be nice for Real Madrid to maintain a winning streak too.

Cadiz can be a very funny side honestly. They always shape with five man defending against top club's like Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid. You fail to take the chances you get against them and you'll never win because they'll always remain compact. Now with these Injured players, can Real Madrid still put up a good display without the names absent? Let's just hope for that, I don't pray for them losing let's just hope they don't, it'll be crazy if they do and Girona extends the lead again against them on Monday night against Atletico Bilbao.

Is Jude Bellingham back from Injury already.? I didn't take good not of that. Real Madrid will have to rely on Joselu,, Jude Bellingham, Modric and Toni Kroos then. The defenders intact, the midfielder's and attackers might just be the problem.

[shinratensei_]

I saw that the Barcelona team played very badly in this match, the team's performance was really lower than usual shown by Xavi's men in the match against Rayo Vallecano, in fact I saw that there was a slight advantage for Barcelona to get points, if there were no kill goals. from the Rayo Vallecano players, maybe Barcelona will experience defeat.
This result makes Barcelona even more points behind in the La Liga standings, but I only focus on the team's performance, if Xavi is not able to revive the performance of the Barcelona team, perhaps they will be even further behind in points from Real Madrid and Girona.

Barcelona is little by little moving away from the title race. I think this is bad news. A difference of 3 points with the 1st ranked team which still has 1 match left means that Barcelona could potentially be left even further behind. If Girona, Madrid and Atletico Madrid are able to finish the match with a win then it will be a very difficult mission for Barca to chase the title. We know that in the Spanish League, even a difference of 3 points is very difficult to overcome.

If Girona wins their next match against Athletic Club, they will move 6 points ahead of Barcelona. If Real Madrid wins their next match against Cadiz, they will move 4 points clear of Barcelona. Closing this point gap will be a tough task for Barcelona. Because the performances of Girona and Madrid are very consistent. On the other hand, Barcelona's performance is not stable. Real Madrid or Atletico Madrid will probably win the title this season. If Barcelona continues with such erratic performances, winning the title will not be possible.

That's gonna be a hard game for girona. Girona is now leading the competition. I think that that makes sense to pick BTTS. Girona was always struggling to beat its opponent, but the club was always able winning the game even with a narrow score.
Madrid is not as stable as girona at this moment. If we are seeing the result from last matches of girona if this club was always conceded the goals by its opponent. It makes sense for us to take btts against bilbao.
Bilbao was a strong club and this is also always giving difficult for the top club like barcelona and real madrid to win the game. Girona can take three points as long as it will able to win the hard game against bilbao.
Btts is likely to happen soon.

[hahay]

Real Madrid will travel to Cadiz this week, certainly they cannot be strengthened by several names due to injury. But I don't think it will be a big problem when facing Cadiz, because in the composition of Real Madrid players still have good players, and even when compared I think Real Madrid's reserve players still have the same quality as the main players from Cadiz.
They must take advantage of this match, because they can stay away from Barcelona after this week can only draw. Not only that, they also have to be able to stick tight to Girona, who will play a match 1 day after their match.

OMG, I forgot that many Real Madrid players are injured, and I already made a bet in Real Madrid to win this match. But yes, even though Real Madrid is playing away but hopefully Real Madrid will still be able to win in this match. Anyway, a winning result seems to be the main target for Real Madrid because ya, if Real Madrid fails to win then Girona might succeed to make a better gap. So yes, I believe Real Madrid have second-tier players who have qualities that are at least not much different from the main players. So yes, I hope Real Madrid to have no trouble in this match, because basically Cadiz is also not a strong team that competes in the upper zone in the La Liga standings.

[Cryptomultiplier]

Real Madrid will travel to Cadiz this week, certainly they cannot be strengthened by several names due to injury. But I don't think it will be a big problem when facing Cadiz, because in the composition of Real Madrid players still have good players, and even when compared I think Real Madrid's reserve players still have the same quality as the main players from Cadiz.
They must take advantage of this match, because they can stay away from Barcelona after this week can only draw. Not only that, they also have to be able to stick tight to Girona, who will play a match 1 day after their match.

It should be an easy game for Real Madrid with their current form tipped against Cadiz. Even the pundits predict a 6.10odds against Cadiz winning and 1.50odds  for Real Madrid.
Bellingham and Vini Jr. May even have to come from the bench and would have to not break a sweat in securing goals because am betting on Real Madrid scoring more than 3goals in this match soon to commence shortly.

[makishart]

If Girona wins their next match against Athletic Club, they will move 6 points ahead of Barcelona. If Real Madrid wins their next match against Cadiz, they will move 4 points clear of Barcelona. Closing this point gap will be a tough task for Barcelona. Because the performances of Girona and Madrid are very consistent. On the other hand, Barcelona's performance is not stable. Real Madrid or Atletico Madrid will probably win the title this season. If Barcelona continues with such erratic performances, winning the title will not be possible.

La Liga is tougher than expected, every elite teams zips up for better days ahead while some are reluctant and not portraying impressive performance. You have thoroughly calculated and mapped out the points to be accumulated within these teams when they win and lose. Barcelona happen to be the main points of sights, their performance is more comparable to mediocre team, having absolutely no game pattern with these players displaying skills that are regarded as meaningless because there's absolutely nothing exciting about the game.

That's good. It means there have been some improvements happened in la liga. I would like to see not only Girona succeed, but also witness other clubs reach the same level as Girona. The competition will be even more entertain to be watched if there will be a lot of small teams to have good performances like girona in upcoming season. The competition will be also very competitive caused by it will not be only fully dominated by real madrid and barcelona. We will have various interesting game.
Sometimes, im feeling that if la liga was not that interesting. The reason for this is that the winner of the league is consistently the same team. We need something new like having a club like girona to compete for the title race.
I am open and excited about the prospect of another club stepping up and competing for the title. We need at least 5 clubs to compete against each other for la liga title this season. Having girona is giving a new nuance. Glad to see la liga has been evolving.

[samuraijin]

Real Madrid will travel to Cadiz this week, certainly they cannot be strengthened by several names due to injury. But I don't think it will be a big problem when facing Cadiz, because in the composition of Real Madrid players still have good players, and even when compared I think Real Madrid's reserve players still have the same quality as the main players from Cadiz.
They must take advantage of this match, because they can stay away from Barcelona after this week can only draw. Not only that, they also have to be able to stick tight to Girona, who will play a match 1 day after their match.

OMG, I forgot that many Real Madrid players are injured, and I already made a bet in Real Madrid to win this match. But yes, even though Real Madrid is playing away but hopefully Real Madrid will still be able to win in this match. Anyway, a winning result seems to be the main target for Real Madrid because ya, if Real Madrid fails to win then Girona might succeed to make a better gap. So yes, I believe Real Madrid have second-tier players who have qualities that are at least not much different from the main players. So yes, I hope Real Madrid to have no trouble in this match, because basically Cadiz is also not a strong team that competes in the upper zone in the La Liga standings.

It seems there is no need to pay attention to your bet, because Cadiz has not won a match in its last five matches, in my opinion Real Madrid will be able to win easily even though many of their core players are injured, from the statistics I have seen from Real Madrid's last five matches it seems positive and very good  I think Real Madrid will be able to get full points even if they play as a guest, so there's no need to worry about your bet...

[piebeyb]

Real Madrid will travel to Cadiz this week, certainly they cannot be strengthened by several names due to injury. But I don't think it will be a big problem when facing Cadiz, because in the composition of Real Madrid players still have good players, and even when compared I think Real Madrid's reserve players still have the same quality as the main players from Cadiz.
They must take advantage of this match, because they can stay away from Barcelona after this week can only draw. Not only that, they also have to be able to stick tight to Girona, who will play a match 1 day after their match.

Cadiz should not be a serious threat to Madrid, even though without several star players Madrid should still be able to steal three points in the match, Ancelotti has certainly prepared several other substitute players who might be able to fill the void so that Madrid continues to play as usual, a win of course. It must be obtained even if it is only a narrow win because it will give Girona the opportunity to get away from Madrid by a long distance in points if Madrid gets a draw.

I'm not sure that Madrid will share points with Cadiz considering there are still Madrid players who have good abilities to face Cadiz today, playing as a guest might have difficulty scoring goals but Madrid will definitely be able to beat Cadiz even though Madrid is playing with some of their second tier players . prediction 0 - 1 for Madrid to win

[Awaklara]

It seems there is no need to pay attention to your bet, because Cadiz has not won a match in its last five matches, in my opinion Real Madrid will be able to win easily even though many of their core players are injured, from the statistics I have seen from Real Madrid's last five matches it seems positive and very good  I think Real Madrid will be able to get full points even if they play as a guest, so there's no need to worry about your bet...

This match will be the moment Madrid overtakes Girona. because Girona will face Bilbao who are also in good condition. and Madrid's advantage is facing Cadiz, which currently, as you said, is not in good condition if they meet a strong team like Madrid.

in another match, Villarreal almost finished with a three-point match against Osasuna with a score of 3-1. Luis Morales performed extraordinary with his 3 goals in this match. Osasuna has quite a lot of opportunities, in fact, Osasuna currently has more opportunities than Villarreal. but they seem to be having problems on the front lines.

[Weawant]

It should be an easy game for Real Madrid with their current form tipped against Cadiz. Even the pundits predict a 6.10odds against Cadiz winning and 1.50odds  for Real Madrid.
Bellingham and Vini Jr. May even have to come from the bench and would have to not break a sweat in securing goals because am betting on Real Madrid scoring more than 3goals in this match soon to commence shortly.

Real Madrid current form conforms to your speculations but then football is usually filled with suprises and the unexpected could play out, just like yesterday Barcelona was expected to win before the game started most speculations were in favour of Barcelona until the game ended.

Barcelona literally struggled to get a draw ,in essence I'm saying Real Madrid jave all it takes to win without stressing and it's exactly what's expected of them but smaller teams ares usually characterized with trying to be very resistant against bigger teams and in some cases if the big team is lax they end in a draw so Reall Madrid shouldn't underestimate Cadiz regardless els they may be surprised by the outcome of the match.

[rendravolt]

Villarreal iced the win at home against Osasuna with a score of 3-1. I see them playing better this time by creating several opportunities which could ultimately result in lots of goals. One name that stole attention in this match was Morales who managed to score a hat trick and as a striker he did his job extraordinary.

On the other hand, although Osasuna also performed well by creating several opportunities, they managed to score only one goal against Villarreal. If we look previously, the difference between Villarreal and Osasuna was 2 points and now Villarreal has succeeded in shifting Osasuna's position. I hope Villarreal can get back on the right track and can get to mid-table in the near future.

[samuraijin]

It seems there is no need to pay attention to your bet, because Cadiz has not won a match in its last five matches, in my opinion Real Madrid will be able to win easily even though many of their core players are injured, from the statistics I have seen from Real Madrid's last five matches it seems positive and very good  I think Real Madrid will be able to get full points even if they play as a guest, so there's no need to worry about your bet...

This match will be the moment Madrid overtakes Girona. because Girona will face Bilbao who are also in good condition. and Madrid's advantage is facing Cadiz, which currently, as you said, is not in good condition if they meet a strong team like Madrid.

in another match, Villarreal almost finished with a three-point match against Osasuna with a score of 3-1. Luis Morales performed extraordinary with his 3 goals in this match. Osasuna has quite a lot of opportunities, in fact, Osasuna currently has more opportunities than Villarreal. but they seem to be having problems on the front lines.

Girona is experiencing a very good and consistent season in every last match, winning five times in a row makes Real Madrid have very strong rivals for this season, usually we only present Real Madrid and Barcelona, ​​but in the current season, Girona  proving themselves that they are not just any club for Real Madrid and the top clubs in La Liga.

Real Madrid must get full points in the match against Cadiz, because it will return Real Madrid to the top of the standings, even though several key players have been hit by injuries.

Villarreal performed well tonight because they have experienced five matches that were not very good, they only won once and the rest suffered consecutive defeats and today playing at home makes Villarreal optimistic about getting full points and as a result they managed to beat Osasuna with a landslide score of 3  -1, at least Villarreal can be consistent in the next match, so they can improve their standings well..

[QueenVera]

Barcelona play very well with possession and creativity, but unfortunately, some of the referee mistakes make them lose the match and also lose league competition points. VAR VAR did not even give Barcelona a penalty when a Rayo Vallecano player pushed Robert Lewandowski in the penalty box and fell. Therefore, if you look at it, in reality, Barcelona did not perform well. In the last five games, Barcelona showed poor performance, while Lewandowski also did not see any bounce back in terms of performance. Xavi's tactics were also weak because if Coah performed less, obviously the tactics would also be physically under pressure.

And when the games are going like this, I think Barcelona will win the league match with difficulty. And apart from this, the champion league is also a hard competition. If the poor performance continues like this, it will be difficult for Barcelona to survive. because its players are suffering from crucial injuries. So if Xavi doesn't maintain his performance, then the clubs may find it difficult to win in La Liga or the UEFA Champions League.

The inconsistency of VAR is a story that has been said not just today but has been said and sang over a while and that has shown in the draw with Rayo Vallecano, they had some penalty calls that weren’t given, but generally from the match’s statistics you’ll see that Barcelona had a poor game yesterday maybe it could be as a result to their loss of injured players.

 With this poor form, Barcelona will be going home trophyless and that’s not what the fans wants. The head coach should try and fix up this team before it gets late, left for me I think they really need to utilize the January window by bringing in new players to fill in for the injured ones even if it on a loan deal cause Barcelona as a team is not very strong financially in these recent times.

[rahmad2nd]

Today Real Madrid can surely take the lead temporarily from Girona. The current opponent is Cadiz in an away game. There are missing players such as Camavinga, Tchouameni, Vinicius Junior and Kepa according to my source. But this still shouldn't create a huge problem for Real Madrid this evening on beating Cadiz nicely.

Before anything else Bellingham's solo performance might even be good enough to beat their opponent. Cadiz are experiencing a terrible season now and I don't think this will be the game they take a deep breath. It would be nice for Real Madrid to maintain a winning streak too.

If we refer to the matches that Cadiz played, both home and away, their performance was really messy. In twelve matches, Cadiz was only able to win two matches, four draws, six defeats. In this match, Cadiz will host Real Madrid. Theoretically, Madrid is able to overthrow the home team even though they will not appear with the full main squad.
Talking about Real Madrid, the three points must be theirs in this match. Thus, Madrid will temporarily shift the position occupied by Girona. It's just that, in this match Madrid must play neatly and carefully. because, this match looks like it will be tough. We can see the statistics of the home team's squad, in almost every match their players were given red cards. which means, Cadiz has the potential to play hard when hosting Real Madrid. Moreover, Madrid is not supported by several players like. Vini Jr, TcHouameni, Camavinga, Kepa, and several other players who were previously injured. Apart from that, Madrid must dismantle the home team's defense which will certainly use a defensive pattern. Worst case scenario, if Cadiz plays hard, several Madrid players could potentially suffer injuries. But, this is just my personal assumption. 

Now we look at the betting odds, Madrid with @1.49 and the home team with @6.40. It's a little strange, Cadiz's odds should be higher than that, considering that the two teams have a fairly obvious gap. In this match, Don Carlo will apply his new flagship pattern with 4-3-1-2. because Vini Jr was injured, Joselu became the main starter. well, the ideal betting option is, one of the teams will not score. or, under 3 goals with odds @1.61. Regarding the final result of this fight, let's wait for the fight after it starts.