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Author Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.  (Read 734789 times)
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April 11, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
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Lavrov stated that Russia has no intention to annex the South-Eastern territories, saying that would contradict Russia's interests:
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/371105

In the meantime, Iceland, Chernogorija, Albanija, Norway and Ukraine "are persuaded to" join EU sanctions against Russia, even though they are not EU members.
http://1prime.ru/News/20140411/782491890.html
The sanctions are basically denying entry to some of the Russian and Crimean officials and robbing (sorry, freezing) their eventual assets in EU.

I wonder, if Ukraine imposes sanctions, should they expect gas at all?

Despite it, Russia can offer help to Ukraine on the following conditions:
Constitutional reforms, elections, forming of a legitimate government with which talks can be conducted, acceptance of Crimea's decision and normalisation in the South-Eastern territories.
http://ria.ru/politics/20140411/1003586970.html
(Hmm... those territories were for a long time known as "South-Western", but history tends to play pranks.)

Merkel (well, technically, Germany, though people there are not happy), decided to punish Russia by not selling it produce from Airbus for a total value of $973 million dollars.
http://www.bfm.ru/news/254160?doctype=news

Also, in a complete display of political schizophreny, EU confirmed that US, EU, Ukraine and Russia will conduct a summit on Ukraine in Geneve on the 17th of April:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/11/n_6077625.shtml

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April 11, 2014, 10:05:03 PM
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from 1:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugv1T1pzN1Y

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April 12, 2014, 02:12:06 AM
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^^^^ This will further increase the prices of Russian gas. Earlier they were around 2,000 UAH / tcm (@ $285 / tcm). Now it is around 5,800 UAH / tcm (@ $480 / tcm). Gas has got three times expensive to the Ukrainians, thanks to the right sector Nazis. Meanwhile the salaries are going to remain the same, and in UAH.
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Meanwhile the salaries are going to remain the same, and in UAH.

Bringing forth an older post, in the second picture the guy in the read shirt holds a placards stating that his salary went down from $400 in January to $278 in April.
The other ones show $ exchange rate is 11.5, food became three times more expensive, house rent went up from 350 to 525 hrivny, "calm down, state workers, there is not money"

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Bringing forth an older post, in the second picture the guy in the read shirt holds a placards stating that his salary went down from $400 in January to $278 in April.

The other ones show $ exchange rate is 11.5, food became three times more expensive, house rent went up from 350 to 525 hrivny, "calm down, state workers, there is not money"

Even before the Kiev riots, Ukraine had one of the lowest salaries in the world (perhaps the only exception was Moldovia). Now they must have hit the rock bottom. How any one can survive on $278 a month, esp. if he is having little children to look after?
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April 12, 2014, 10:47:42 AM
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Bringing forth an older post, in the second picture the guy in the read shirt holds a placards stating that his salary went down from $400 in January to $278 in April.

The other ones show $ exchange rate is 11.5, food became three times more expensive, house rent went up from 350 to 525 hrivny, "calm down, state workers, there is not money"

Even before the Kiev riots, Ukraine had one of the lowest salaries in the world (perhaps the only exception was Moldovia). Now they must have hit the rock bottom. How any one can survive on $278 a month, esp. if he is having little children to look after?

You wondering about that?
A cashier ar Carrefour/Lidl/Aucha/Metro is earning around 900 ron the equivalent of 200 euros in Romania.
And that is the average wage for lots of small cities here Smiley



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April 12, 2014, 11:47:58 AM
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You wondering about that?
A cashier ar Carrefour/Lidl/Aucha/Metro is earning around 900 ron the equivalent of 200 euros in Romania.
And that is the average wage for lots of small cities here Smiley

This is what you get after joining the EU?
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April 12, 2014, 11:57:01 AM
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You wondering about that?
A cashier ar Carrefour/Lidl/Aucha/Metro is earning around 900 ron the equivalent of 200 euros in Romania.
And that is the average wage for lots of small cities here Smiley

This is what you get after joining the EU?

You don't wanna know how life was here before.....


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April 12, 2014, 12:27:56 PM
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The situation is getting worse:

Gunmen seize Ukraine police station

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27000700

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Armed men dressed in camouflage clothing have seized a police station in eastern Ukraine, officials say. Police said the gang fired shots and used stun grenades to seize the offices in Sloviansk, near the Russian border. Interior Minister Arsen Avakov called the gunmen "terrorists" and said special forces would repel the attack.
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You don't wanna know how life was here before.....

it is not "AFTER" yet, much more suffering ahead.

testing Smiley
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April 12, 2014, 01:29:50 PM
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You don't wanna know how life was here before.....

it is not "AFTER" yet, much more suffering ahead.

Strictly speaking of .ro , I doubt it can get worse than the ilici era.
And remember that romania is currently ruled by a party with deep connections with the former secret police , something that other eu countries couldn't even imagine at this stage.

Entering the eu helped this country getting out of a real crisis and only idiots living on social aid aren't happy with it.
Most people who like to work and dislike corruption have already left. Only a few still linger around due to family reasons (like myself) or other but 90% of what remained here is made of lazy idiots.


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April 12, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
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http://en.itar-tass.com/world/727548

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Donetsk special police unit members, who formerly served in the Berkut force, refused to go to Slavyansk, where administrative buildings were seized by activists of the Donbass People's Militia opposing the new Ukrainian leaders, Russia 24 television said.
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April 12, 2014, 02:30:07 PM
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Let's see how the West reacts to Russia's diplomatic move:

Russia sets 4 conditions in return for aid to Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-should-recognize-crimea-068/

No politics in space: ISS example of what Russia, US can achieve working together
http://rt.com/news/russia-us-space-friends-008/

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“I think, actually, the International Space Station is still an example of what our nations can accomplish when they work together,” Michael Hopkins said.

“We, on our part, are planning to go to Huston in June… because it’s very important for the propaganda of our joint scientific space program; in order to tell the people about the outstanding project, which is the International Space Station,” Oleg Kotov said.

According to Kotov, his colleagues and he have warm relations not only with Hopkins, but many NASA astronauts.

Can't we have the same on Earth, please? Smiley

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April 12, 2014, 03:11:43 PM
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Russia sets 4 conditions in return for aid to Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-should-recognize-crimea-068/

I don't think Yatsenyuk will ever recognize Crimea as a part of Russia. If he does so, then either the Right Sector or the CIA will just eliminate him from the game altogether.  Grin
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Can't we have the same on Earth, please? Smiley
Only when some politicans will be imprisoned.
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Reuters:Ukrainian flag no longer flying over regional police headquarters  Donetsk. Replaced by separatist flag. The American puppets completely lose Donetsk. Next is Lugansk!
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Slavjansk joined in the uprising:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/12/n_6078677.shtml

Mayor of Slavjansk supported the citizens in their demand for referendum:
http://ria.ru/world/20140412/1003638391.html

Protesters blocked police buses, headed for Slavjansk and are currently negotiating with police:
http://ria.ru/world/20140412/1003632267.html

Special ops from Donetsk (former Berkut) refuse to "pacify" Slavjansk:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/12/slavyansk/

Berkut officers in Savastopol appeal to the other law enforcement personel in South-Eastern Ukraine to side with the people of Ukraine, and thank the officers of "Alpha" who refused to use force against people in Harkov, Lugansk and Donetsk:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1116194?utm_medium=rss20

In the meantime, coup president Turchinov retired the chief of Security Service of Donetsk region:
http://www.forbes.ru/news/254561-turchinov-snyal-s-dolzhnosti-glavu-sbu-po-donetskoi-oblasti

Several thousand protesters are still rallying in Lugansk demanding referendum:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1116245?utm_medium=rss20

EDIT: Add Kramotorsk to the list of towns with anti-Maidan uprising.

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