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April 22, 2014, 05:08:41 PM
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Reporter @SimonOstrovsky of @vicenewshas been taken hostage by pro-Russia nazis in #Slavyansk. http://on.mash.to/1fkZnGK

Now really , what the hell , a pro Russia Nazi?
The next thing I'm going to see it's a Nazi Jew Muslim fighting again Chinese Imperialism in the Canadian Kingdom.

Russian Nazis staged a torchlight procession in the Crimea and burned Ukrainian books







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desperation of ruSSian evils empire Cheesy

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Russian troops were found in the UK




Those damn Russians , they are even armed with nazi weapon supplied by the uk .
Much shame.


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Well, the Eurasian project collapsed -
Nuclear weapons disappeared -
Economy goes to the bottom -
Guys, what do you think about Putin? Cheesy


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It is a great pity, that people of this cities do not understand that Russia would never accept them as it happened with Crimea.
Many people will die under Ukrainian battletanks, fighting for their  blundering beliefs.
Russia could stop this all long ago, just by saying "we will not accept you, we will not protect you". But they're just watching this upcoming massacre.  Cry

I think that the plans for annexation of Donbas (if there were such plans whatsoever) are scrapped, it's the peaceful federalization which Moscow is trying to push through in near future. But I do agree that this message, perhaps, hasn't been made loud and clear enough to Russian ethnic minority in the east Ukraine, where many are still dreaming about joining Russia. This is indeed a potentially hazardous situation: Russia cannot afford the price of absorbing these regions but if Ukrainians do something stupid, like launching massive attack on rebels, most likely followed by dozens or hundreds of dead, Putin will have no choice but to react and use army to protect his people. It's the worst case scenario for everyone there and I truly hope that all sides are going to be smart enough to avoid it at all costs.
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Motivations? I do not see a single one.

I can see many. Donetsk is home to some 4.5 million people, of whom 97% are Slavs and 2% Greek. Gaining extra hard working people who are ethnically similar to the Russians is much better than importing the same number of Muslims from Uzbekistan or Azerbaidzhan. Also, there are a number of large scale industries in Donetsk.
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It is a great pity, that people of this cities do not understand that Russia would never accept them as it happened with Crimea.
Many people will die under Ukrainian battletanks, fighting for their  blundering beliefs.
Russia could stop this all long ago, just by saying "we will not accept you, we will not protect you". But they're just watching this upcoming massacre.  Cry

I think that the plans for annexation of Donbas (if there were such plans whatsoever) are scrapped, it's the peaceful federalization which Moscow is trying to push through in near future. But I do agree that this message, perhaps, hasn't been made loud and clear enough to Russian ethnic minority in the east Ukraine, where many are still dreaming about joining Russia. This is indeed a potentially hazardous situation: Russia cannot afford the price of absorbing these regions but if Ukrainians do something stupid, like launching massive attack on rebels, most likely followed by dozens or hundreds of dead, Putin will have no choice but to react and use army to protect his people. It's the worst case scenario for everyone there and I truly hope that all sides are going to be smart enough to avoid it at all costs.

I agree with your assessment there, Paya, taking it even one step further. Lavrov was very outspoken right from the moment it became obvious that a state coup has taken place in Ukraine, that Ukraine should move en-route to federalisation if it is to remain a single state. Each such initiative was talked down by US/EU, or ignored outright. At times it bordered on absurdity.

Russia is not interested in split Ukraine. It does not need a fringe lawless state with conflicting ragtag bands, as it was in 1918. What Russia needs is an independent neutral (with possibly a slight bias towards Russia) stable Ukraine, which can act as a trading partner and a buffer zone with regard to cancerous NATO expansion.

And to that end, an interesting article on RT outlining Churkin's (Russia's envoy to UN) speech:
Churkin: US behind Ukraine crisis after investing $5bn in 'regime change'
http://rt.com/news/154112-churkin-ukraine-eu-us/

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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Members of diversion group operating in E #Ukraine identified: not all of them Russians, many are Rus neo-nazis. http://inforesist.org/insurgents-identified-the-green-men-of-vkontakte/?lang=en

Insurgents Identified: The Green Men of VKontakte



Ukrainian intelligence produced and presented a dossier of photographs to the OSCE last week. The images, and official accusations, point to Russian “sabotage-reconnaissance groups” being involved in the recent armed insurgency in eastern Ukraine – Donetsk region specifically. According to a New York Times article, the photos and their descriptions were “endorsed by the Obama administration,” but who are these men? With the power of crowdsourcing, but mostly with the power of social networking and public profiles, the identities of a series of Russian insurgents in Donetsk have been uncovered. Men have been comparing the size of their guns since the invention of gunpowder, and thankfully these few decided to flaunt just that. Publicly. On the internet.

From the identified militants, a few notes can be made from the following gunmen who appear to be connected to the raids in Sloviansk and Kramatorsk . For one, not all are from Russia. While some may be local radicals, others appear to come from Belorechensk in Russia, or have connections to related neo-Cossack groups. This does not necessarily exonerate Russian state involvement, however. While it’s been known that military veterans and Russian ‘tourists’ have been actively involved for some time, the presence of Registered Cossacks of the Russian Federation connects Russia officially to the ongoing crisis. Registered Cossack organizations enjoy financial and organizational support from the authorities, including monthly salary as police auxiliaries. This, of course, isn’t the first controversial deployment of Cossack forces, who made a name for themselves on the world stage enforcing the law in Sochi.
Another point of interest is the insignia seen on a number of the gunmen. For clarity’s sake, the symbol is that of Andrei Shkuro‘s ‘Terek Wolf Company’, a detachment of White emigre Cossacks who fought for Nazi Germany during the second world war.
So who is involved in the Ukrainian invasion? Let’s take a look.

Evgeny “Dingo” Ponomarev

Ponomarev is a 39 year old native of Belorechensk, Russia, in the Kuban region. Pictured above, he is a Registered Cossack with full police badge. He is active in the Terek Cossack community, and featured in many of the photos recently presented by CNN and the BBC detailing the same group of insurgents appearing in Kramatorsk and Sloviansk.
Profile: Eвгeний Пoнoмapeв http://vk.com/dingo31

Alexander Ganchev

While Ganchev’s profile is littered with cat pictures and memes, in 2013 through to January 2014 there are many photos of him in combat training, including with sniper rifles, assault rifles, heavy machine guns, and rocket launchers. Recent photos from April show him with members who seized buildings in Donetsk. Groups he is a member of include Berkut support, The Supreme Council of the people of Ukraine and Russia (which asks for “practical” assistance in imposing referendums), Crimean “self-defense” groups, and airsoft rifle groups in Crimea (which appears to be a front to gather militants and buy weapons). His current city is listed as Horlivka, Ukraine, and he appears to be from Makiivka.
Profile: Aлeкcaндp Гaничeв http://vk.com/spets80

Igor Georgievsky

His hometown is listed as Simferopol and photos show him in Sevastopol, and in group shots with other self-defense militants. Above he is seen at the Sloviansk airfield in Donetsk region (here’s video of the airfield with the same helicopters ). He’s in the ‘People’s Liberation Movement in Ukraine‘ (which calls to ‘liberate’ the ‘western occupied colony’ from ‘invaders’), Russian Spring, and another group which calls to retake Odessa from ‘fascism’. He is seen with the Terek Wolf Company insignia.
Profile: Игopь Гeopгиeвcкий http://vk.com/garry_san

Tikhon Karetniy

Like Ponomarev, Karetniy is a member of the Belorechensk Cossack community in Russia. A photo posted on the community page details the group involved in the seizures in Sloviansk called “Terek Wolf Sotnia“. His profile is relatively new (registered in February, active more recently) so it cannot be confirmed that his identity is real, however, he does have the social connections with other members involved with a higher degree of authenticity. It’s likely this is him pictured with Ponomarev.
Profile: Tиxoн Кapeтный http://vk.com/id243374106

Zheka Kovalyov

Kovalyov is another from Belorechensk, Russia. His photo albums contain many swastikas and neo-Nazi or ultranationalist imagery. Photos dating back 2 years show him in paramilitary garb, while his profile picture appears to be  ‘self-defense’ force paramilitary in Crimea. In another photo he appears with Karetniy while wearing the ‘Terek Wolf Company’ badge, who is also an insurgent in Donetsk with a Russian Cossack connection.
Profile: Zheka Kovalyov http://vk.com/id152172063

Evgen Zloy

Photos show him carrying an automatic rifle in front government buildings in Slovinansk. His profile lists him as being a Simferopol native, and is a member of a Simferopol Don Cossack group. Photos also show what appears to be a swastika pendant, and Russian ultra-nationalist graphics.
Profile: Eвгeн Злoй http://vk.com/id229685502

Anton Morozov

From Irkutsk, Russia. His main profile shows him in military fatigues in what appears to be barracks. Photos include neo-Nazi imagery (burning an Israeli flag) and Eurasian symbols. He is pictured with Zloy, above.
Profile: Anton Morozov http://vk.com/panzerrrfaust

Edvard Pitersky

Pitersky lists himself as residing in Kharkiv and a member of the Oplot fight club and ‘Polite People of Kharkiv‘ (a reference to the ‘Green Men’ from Russia). He is ironically a member of the ‘Anti-fascist movement of the South-East‘ as well as the ‘White Legion‘ neo-Nazi community.
Profile: Edvard Pitersky http://vk.com/id248595935

Dima Kharkovsky

Current city is listed as Sloviansk. He appears to be a local and a member of Gubarev’s militia.
Profile: Dima Kharkovsky http://vk.com/afgan777

Ignat “Topaz” Kromskoy

Topaz is a sort of celebrity in internet circles. He was placed under house arrest on March 29 for his involvement in the March 1st raid on the Kharkiv Regional State Administration building. On April 7, Topaz fled house arrest, cutting off his monitoring bracelet. Topaz has since given interviews with the Russian channel LifeNews, and spoken about the current ‘guerrilla struggle’ and need to use firearms to capture buildings. Pictures with assault rifles, BDU, and St. George ribbon indicate it’s likely he has been involved in the current insurgency in Donetsk or Luhansk since his arrest.
Profile: Ignat Kromskoy http://vk.com/johnrichmond2014

Sergey Anastasov

This profile is less straightforward, but the photos appear to sync up. Anastasov is from Simferopol. Photos include him with various firearms. The above photo makes no indication on which building he is in, so it’s possible he was only involved in Crimea, so we’re including him last.
Profile: Sergey Anastasov http://vk.com/anastasovserg

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Russia is not interested in split Ukraine. It does not need a fringe lawless state with conflicting ragtag bands, as it was in 1918. What Russia needs is an independent neutral (with possibly a slight bias towards Russia) stable Ukraine, which can act as a trading partner and a buffer zone with regard to cancerous NATO expansion.

Russia want the eastern provinces of Ukraine to join the Eurasian customs union (which includes Belarus and Kazakhstan in addition to Russia). I don't think that Kiev will agree to that demand.
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Tally of persons kidnapped by Russian-backed insurgents in Ukraine’s east grows to 13 (UPDATE)

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/tally-of-persons-kidnapped-by-russian-backed-insurgents-in-ukraines-east-grows-to-13-update-344778.html

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Journalist: the councillor of Gorlovka was brutally tortured before he was killed

http://inforesist.org/journalist-the-councillor-of-gorlovka-was-brutally-tortured-before-he-was-killed/?lang=en


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Funeral ceremony at the Churchof the HolySpirit centre, Slovyansk for the three people who were killed by the Right Sector nazis.

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Funeral ceremony at the Churchof the HolySpirit centre, Slovyansk for the three people who were killed by the Right Sector nazis.



It's clear that this people are killed by ruSSian nazis. ruSSians always do massacres and says, that is job of opponents.

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In Slovyansk ruSSians continue to rob minority of gypsies  http://www.blackseanews.net/read/79397

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April 23, 2014, 04:47:18 PM
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Russia is not interested in split Ukraine. It does not need a fringe lawless state with conflicting ragtag bands, as it was in 1918. What Russia needs is an independent neutral (with possibly a slight bias towards Russia) stable Ukraine, which can act as a trading partner and a buffer zone with regard to cancerous NATO expansion.

Russia want the eastern provinces of Ukraine to join the Eurasian customs union (which includes Belarus and Kazakhstan in addition to Russia). I don't think that Kiev will agree to that demand.

Um, I haven't seen such demands from Russia. Where did you read it? I know that Russia would like to see Ukraine (as a whole) in the Customs Union, and that was one of the triggers for the whole circus, when Yanukovich did a 180* degree turn from EU to Customs Union, seeing more trading potential there.

On another note, a retelling a dialogue from the 12th of April meeting of the leader of Radical Party Ljashko with electorate in Lugansk:

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Question (in Russian): - How much more can we tolerate this chaos in the country?
Ljashko answers (in Ukrainian): - Unless you speak Ukrainian to me, I will not be understanding you!
A woman's voice from the audience (in Russian): - Can someone already punch him?!

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- Cкoлькo мoжнo тepпeть этoт бapдaк в cтpaнe?
Ляшкo:
 - Якщo ви гoвopитe pociйcькoй мoвoю, я вac нe бyдy poзyмiти!
Жeнcкий гoлoc из зaдниx pядoв:
 - Дa дaйтe жe eмy в мopдy!

Herein lies the problem to the Ukrainian split. Distilled.

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April 23, 2014, 05:11:44 PM
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Plans to forbid Skype, gmail and facebook in Russia...
Stalinism is here again - in the face of Putinism. And it is so stupid. It shows their level of thinking: as if you can ban modern information technology. maybe Putin should talk to Erdogan who also made that mistake and quickly realised what a fool he was making of himself. Or talk to the Vietnamese leaders, who banned Facebook but are themselves on Facebook via a VPN, just like the rest of the country Smiley))

http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/russia/2014/04/140423_russia_internet_law.shtml

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NYT Retracts Russian-Photo Scoop  Grin

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/23/nyt-retracts-russian-photo-scoop/#Sloviansk

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After starting a propaganda stampede – with a lead story about photos of Russian troops purportedly in Ukraine – the New York Times admits the pictures really don’t prove much, and one photo was labeled as snapped in Russia when it was really taken in Ukraine, writes Robert Parry.

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Two days after the New York Times led its editions with a one-sided article about photos supposedly proving that Russian special forces were behind the popular uprisings in eastern Ukraine, the Times published what you might call a modified, limited retraction.

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And a very thorough reader comment at the end, which I think should be re-printed here:

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Gosh, Bob, the NYT should be paying you for doing their job- and giving them a clinic in the process. (A good journalism school would be advised to pick up on your articles and use them in a case study, to teach what to do and what not to do.)

At least the Times responded, even if today someone else there (Tom Friedman) spewed more pro-Kiev smoke and b..s.. Why, I ask myself did he have to misrepresent the issues at hand and pretend that Russia had been forcing Ukraine to deal with it exclusively to condemn Ukraine to a permanent status of serfdom and corruption, or couldn’t bring himself to mention that it was the EU that was trying to force itself on Ukraine as its exclusive partner, and the EU that coerced an agreement with Ukraine’s constitutional leader which it abandoned within a day, or address the impact on Ukraine of the EU’s austerity package, or what the benefits to Ukraine of a non-exclusive multilateral relationship could be, or why Russia cannot allow Ukraine to become a member of NATO, or what the deep historical relationship is between the people of Ukraine, a paper state without any real independent history, and Russia of which much of Ukraine was a part, etc., etc.

Propaganda comes in all forms. TF’s is the fluffy phony baloney variety.

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