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Question: Ethnic cleansing of Russian speaking by Kiev forces is the main cause of clashes in Donbass area.
True. - 54 (51.4%)
This is Khasarian Kaganat and Russians must be killed or must be sclaves. - 29 (27.6%)
What is Donbass? - 5 (4.8%)
Where is Kiev? - 4 (3.8%)
My TV show only Israeli clashes. - 13 (12.4%)
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April 26, 2014, 03:36:32 PM
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Now it is the turn of the Latvians to get paranoid.  Grin

Latvia defense minister accuses Russia of destabilizing through “professional provocateurs”

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/26/latvia-defense-minister-accuses-russia-of-destabilizing-through-professional-provocateurs

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Latvia’s defence minister said on Friday Russia was trying to stir unrest in the Baltic state by using “specially-trained, professional provocateurs” in the wake of its intervention in Ukraine. … “There are risks that Russia might try to destabilise the situation in the region,” Raimonds Vejonis, Latvia’s defence minister, told Reuters in an interview.

latvian good remember ruSSian crimes in Latvia >


The Soviet occupation culminated on 14 June, 1941 when a mass deportation of civilians from Latvia to distant areas of the Soviet Union took place.  A total of 15,424 persons, according to latest figures, were arrested and sent away in boxcars unsuited for human transportation.  Among those deported were minor children and babies, most of whom died on the way or from cold or malnutrition in their settlement areas in Siberia.  Many civilians were brutally executed in Riga and many other places after the beginning of the war between Germany and Soviet Union, 22 June 1941, as the Red Army retreated in disarray.

These crimes against citizens of independent Latvia included arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, execution, deportation to the so-called Gulag camps or banishment for life in distant areas of the Soviet Union.  These actions were carried out without a proper court procedure, oftentimes without a proper arrest warrant.  Most of the charges were based on Soviet laws and applied retroactively—for alleged transgressions while serving in institutions of the independent Latvian state.  They completely ignored international conventions and laws.

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April 26, 2014, 03:41:04 PM
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Head of Sloviansk separatists Strelkov officer of Russian Intellegence Agency. His military unit was formed in Crimea http://bit.ly/1h0wWhY

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April 26, 2014, 03:59:47 PM
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His military unit was formed in Crimea

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Are they Ukrainian citizens or not?

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April 26, 2014, 04:12:35 PM
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'We are in danger': Ukrainian foreign minister says he fears Russian invasion amid claims Putin 'wants to start World War Three'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2612817/Putin-issues-new-threat-against-Ukraine-as.html

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A Ukrainian foreign minister has said he fears imminent invasion from Russian forces. Danylo Lubkivsky, Ukraine's deputy foreign minister, also swore that he would 'protect our motherland', hours after the prime minister of Ukraine accused Russia of trying 'to start World War Three'.
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April 26, 2014, 04:17:20 PM
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'We are in danger': Ukrainian foreign minister says he fears Russian invasion amid claims Putin 'wants to start World War Three'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2612817/Putin-issues-new-threat-against-Ukraine-as.html

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A Ukrainian foreign minister has said he fears imminent invasion from Russian forces. Danylo Lubkivsky, Ukraine's deputy foreign minister, also swore that he would 'protect our motherland', hours after the prime minister of Ukraine accused Russia of trying 'to start World War Three'.
Western liars get annoying after some time...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWdSIIyxY9k

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26 aпpeля. Лyгaнcк. Cooбщeниe пpecc-cлyжбы Штaбa Apмии Югo-Bocтoкa.

Ультимaтyм.

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4. Boпpeки вceм мeждyнapoдным дoкyмeнтaм, вoпpeки Кoнcтитyции Укpaины, Xyнтa нaпpaвилa peгyляpнyю apмию пoдaвлять нapoд нa Дoнбacce. Mы yжe знaeм o вcex yбитыx этoй apмиeй житeляx Cлaвянcкa, Кpaмaтopcкa, Дoнeцкa.
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— Ecли дo 14 чacoв втopникa 29 aпpeля, вce нaши тpeбoвaния, пoдкpeплeнныe Жeнeвcкими coглaшeниями, нe бyдyт выпoлнeны, мы cчитaeм вce opгaны влacти, кoтopыe нaxoдятcя в Киeвe, aнтинapoдными и пpecтyпными, и пepexoдим к aктивным дeйcтвиям.

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Пoбeдa бyдeт зa нaми!

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April 26, 2014, 05:19:13 PM
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Anyone think that this poll is neutral?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2014/04/24/on-all-of-the-important-questions-ukraine-is-still-extremely-divided/

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April 26, 2014, 05:24:34 PM
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Google-translate with some quick corrections:

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April 26. Lugansk . Press service of Army Staff of the Southeast .

Ultimatum.

We, the Joint Army of the South - East, for three weeks, starting from April 6, tried to bring up the Kiev junta that storming of the building of the SBU is not a goal per se. This was just an attempt to be finally heard. We just wanted to convey to the Kiev authorities that the people of Lugansk region is no longer able to make himself inhuman treatment . Intimidation, arrests, harassment, dismissal, neglect, racism - this was the response from Kiev junta to peaceful demands of residents.

Our requirements were simple and common - an amnesty to all political prisoners , the referendum , the abolition of tariffs and price increases , the Russian language . This basic requirements are clear to the government of any civilized country . And they have been heard all over the world. And so , on April 17 in Geneva, Russia , the U.S. and the EU negotiating table with the Ukrainian side and signed the Geneva agreements obliging Kiev junta amnesty participants protests and listen to the voice of the South- East.

For all these requirements Kiev gave their answers :

1. Junta continues to call us separatists and terrorists , and calls Maidan legitimate protesters .
2. Junta has deployed armed gangs "right sector" of Kiev close to Donbas in Dnepropetrovsk city, taking the children's camp.
3. Junta armed and manned at public expense National Guard, consisting of maydanovtsev that cut and burned Berkut fighters , and now they were sent to cut and burn protesters Slovyansk.
4. Contrary to all international instruments, contrary to the Constitution of Ukraine, the junta sent regular army to suppress the people of Donbas . We already know about all the inhabitants of Sloviansk, Kramatorsk, Donetsk, killed by said army.
5. It is known that activists disappear in the Luhansk region.

And now we have become clear this action Kiev junta - this is war! War against its own people . We have not agreed on the inhuman conditions imposed by this fascist gang - and they decided to destroy us physically!

And once Junta henchman Poroshenko announced the decision we neo-fascist government - that we need to talk only using the language of force, they will get this force. The force of the people's power!

And so, for the last time, in the form of an ultimatum, we warn:

- If up to 14 hours on Tuesday 29 April, all our requirements, backed by the Geneva agreements, are not met, we count all the authorities that are in Kiev as anti-national and criminal, and we proceed to action.

All who care about the bright future of native Luhansk, all who are concerned about the fate of our children and the elderly, who are all tired of living in poverty and obscurity, are invited on the 29th of April 14:00 to administration building their cities and districts  to hear the answers to the demands of the people of Lugansk region from the Kiev authorities.

Victory will be ours!

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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April 26, 2014, 05:25:34 PM
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I get grey page in FireFox with tracking blockers.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
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April 26, 2014, 05:27:11 PM
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I get grey page in FireFox with tracking blockers.

OK.. check whether this link is working or not:

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/markadomanis/files/2014/04/Ukraine-NATO-Referendum.png
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I get grey page in FireFox with tracking blockers.

OK.. check whether this link is working or not:

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/markadomanis/files/2014/04/Ukraine-NATO-Referendum.png

That worked. I'd say the distribution for South and East looks about right, following the sentiment from this poll:
http://modsite.by/allresult/#.U0mEKPl_vG9
And Western Ukraine is almost Poland.


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April 26, 2014, 05:36:07 PM
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That worked. I'd say the distribution for South and East looks about right.

OK... anyway even by those results, the referendum on joining the NATO is going to fail. South and East overwhelmingly against the move, while the Center more or less divided.
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April 26, 2014, 05:51:26 PM
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Crimean authorities denied that Ukraine stopped delivering water from Dnepr, though the levels are record low (4m3/sec, whereas 80m3/sec are needed):
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/26/water1/

Also, RIA published photos of the concentration of Ukrainian troops under Slavjansk:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/26/n_6112165.shtml

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April 26, 2014, 06:56:27 PM
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http://theweekmagazine.tumblr.com/post/83756495419/take-a-look-at-this-weeks-cover-featuring

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Last edit: April 26, 2014, 08:58:28 PM by Nemo1024
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Kerry promised Lavrov to persuade Kiev to de-escalate tension in the East of Ukraine:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/26/calling/

Kerry de-facto acknowledged controlling Kiev. Smiley

In the meantime:
Unknown gunmen land from helicopters, attack checkpoint in Donetsk region - militia
http://rt.com/news/155104-soledar-ukraine-military-attack/

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Unknown assailants landed in helicopters and attacked a checkpoint in Soledar city in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, a militia source told RIA Novosti adding that there is a fight going on.

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“Armed men attacked our warehouses storing weapons, we are repelling the attack, there is fighting,” Interfax cites a militia in the people’s self-defense HQ as saying.

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Unknown assailants landed in helicopters and attacked a checkpoint in Soledar city in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, a militia source told RIA Novosti adding that there is a fight going on.

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“Armed men attacked our warehouses storing weapons, we are repelling the attack, there is fighting,” Interfax cites a militia in the people’s self-defense HQ as saying.

Already there are close to 200 foreign mercenaries stationed in Donetsk oblast. Most of them are from the US (Greystone), while the remainder seems to be from Australia. Now it seems that the Kiev junta is importing even more of them.
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Three Ukraine elite Alpha group agents captured in Donetsk region

http://rt.com/news/155136-agents-captured-donetsk-ukraine

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Three members of Ukraine’s special anti-terrorist unit Aplha have been detained during a covert mission in Donetsk region, amid the buildup of Kiev’s military near the cities controlled by pro-federalization forces. Commander of the “Donetsk Republic” self-defense forces, Igor Strelkov, has confirmed reports that three members of the Alpha special tactical assault group of the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) have been detained in the city of Gorlovka, in Donetsk region.

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April 27, 2014, 08:42:46 AM
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They really need to try to capture/kill some of those unidentified gunmen. From the same report that I linked to yesterday:

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After the military raid ended, some of the self-defence militia moved forward to retake the checkpoint. Those who were guarding the checkpoint, told Slier that the unmarked attackers in black uniforms were armed with ‘US-made guns’.

That SBU Alphas are doing covert work is not that surprising...

Also, just read this:
Ukrainian military forcing Russian reporter to kneel caught on camera
http://rt.com/news/155080-lifenews-journalist-ukraine-photo/

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A photo taken by a Western journalist shows Ukrainian troops menacing a reporter for Russian news outlet LifeNews and forcing him to get on his knees at a checkpoint between the Kharkov and Donetsk regions in eastern Ukraine

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April 27, 2014, 09:08:29 AM
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Looks like Kiev halted their operation without pushing further into the center of Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and other rebellious towns? I suppose that there is a lot of diplomacy going on behind the stage, which is a good thing.
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