Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[Pagan]

Despite some outside similarity between two Ukrainian protests – the Maidan [Euromaidan] and the so-called separatist demonstrations in eastern Ukraine now taking place, they are radically different, starting with the fact, that pro-Russian/separatist protests almost entirely lacked the peaceful phase, say political scientists.

“Let’s remember one thing: for two months, people stood on the Maidan absolutely unarmed and demanded punishment for those guilty of beating students on Nov. 30 – Dec. 1. By contrast, in the easternmost oblasts, we are seeing militants in Russian uniforms and gear, shooting and taking over the government buildings,” Ukrainian political scientist Oleksiy Haran told BBC Ukraine.

http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/04/17/maidan-vs-pro-russian-protests-find-the-differences/

[bryant.coleman]

Air superiority? Where did that come from?It's already a war taking part there or what?
Don't tell me the rebels already have planes and manned airports

If the situation worsens anymore, then the civil war will break out at full force. No. The rebels don't have any planes or airports under their control. But what is the need for that? Look at what happened yesterday. The Kiev nazis sent in the APCs and Tanks to crush the protesters. What happened after that? The soldiers defected to the protesters, along with the APCs and tanks. The same will happen with the fighter jets.

[Balthazar]

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-dual-citizenship-jail-572/

I like the comments

Denis Viktorovich 22.03.2014 03:22
Wait a moment... But Yats is a dual citizen - Ukraine and Israel. What happens to him? Is he going to go to jail?

Pretty Please?..

Eduardo 03.03.2014 13:44
On this way,, Mr Klitchko and his radical neo-naci bandits have to put more than 22 milion Ukraines into the prison. Don't you see, that they are just clowns and bandits. They have no any political qualifications , their own motto is : to beat people, and to burn buildings. And now Mr. Klitchko go ahead and arrest 22 milion dual citizens , I JUST WANT TO SEE how would you do that. , he is nothing but a clown.

[Sithara007]

Check this:

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.585897

[bryant.coleman]

Check this:

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.585897

Some of the protesters were just collecting information about people having dual citizenship (other than the Russian citizenship). It turned out that most of such people had dual Ukrainian-Israeli passports. And the Jewish media (especially the ones from Israel) created such an issue out of it.

[Balthazar]

It's a fake.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518645.msg6261462;topicseen#msg6261462

Btw, this "prescription" contains some funny grammar and punctuation issues.

[Balthazar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrk4zppvS4o

 

[bryant.coleman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrk4zppvS4o

 

I have already said this. This guy has got some serious mental issues and needs immediate psychiatric help. Still it was fun listening to him. I hope soon his master, the Princess Tymoshenko will replace him.

[Pagan]

Kramatorsk today - for a united Ukraine!      

http://obs.in.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5121%3Aukr-world&catid=1%3Akram-news&Itemid=54

[Pagan]

This is not a bad article on the situation in Ukraine, especially regarding who sanctions should be levied on.
But, Russia DOES NOT have legitimate interests in any other sovereign state. If the ethnic Russians in Ukraine have felt under any threat then they have had plenty of time to leave in the past 23 years.
Also there are no right wing extremists in the government (which let us not forget was voted for by all parliament represented by East and West), and as been reported numerous times, there is not a single shred of evidence that Russian Speakers in any part of Ukraine are persecuted or have their rights threatened, so why guarantee them separately. All people in Ukraine already have much more rights than people in Russia already and with closer ties to Europe then they will receive more.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/16/west-obliged-defend-ukraine-putin-civil-war-russia

[niothor]

Air superiority? Where did that come from?It's already a war taking part there or what?
Don't tell me the rebels already have planes and manned airports

If the situation worsens anymore, then the civil war will break out at full force. No. The rebels don't have any planes or airports under their control. But what is the need for that? Look at what happened yesterday. The Kiev nazis sent in the APCs and Tanks to crush the protesters. What happened after that? The soldiers defected to the protesters, along with the APCs and tanks. The same will happen with the fighter jets.

But then why did you stated that they don't have air superiority , you said it clearly yourself "that doesn't mean that they have the air superiority".
Really , i understand that you look at this situation with enthusiasm and you take the Russian side , but sometimes your fingers type a little too fast.

[Paya]

Russia, the US, the EU and Ukraine have adopted a joint document on the de-escalation of the Ukraine crisis, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, after talks in Geneva.

The most important agreement reached during the talks, according to Lavrov, states that the Ukrainian crisis “must be resolved by the Ukrainians themselves concerning an end to the conflict” including those related to “detaining protesters, occupying buildings” and, in the long run “the start of true constitutional reform.”

Among the steps that have to be taken are: the disarmament of all the illegal armed groups, and the return of all the occupied administrative buildings,” Lavrov told journalists at the Thursday briefing.

“An amnesty for all the protesters must take place, except of those who committed grave crimes,” the Foreign Minister added.

I bet that many hotheads in Donbas are going to be disappointed after reading this statement. There won't be "way to Russia" after all, as it seems.

[247crypto]

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY

[bryant.coleman]

OK... Geneva talks call for the return of the administrative buildings to the government. But to which government? In my opinion, Viktor Yanukovych is still the legitimate president of Ukraine. Turchynov wasn't elected to the office, and he is just a puppet installed by the NATO to act as a mask to the Princess Tymoshenko.

The most important agreement reached during the talks, according to Lavrov, states that the Ukrainian crisis “must be resolved by the Ukrainians themselves concerning an end to the conflict” including those related to “detaining protesters, occupying buildings” and, in the long run “the start of true constitutional reform.”

“Among the steps that have to be taken are: the disarmament of all the illegal armed groups, and the return of all the occupied administrative buildings,” Lavrov told journalists at the Thursday briefing.

“An amnesty for all the protesters must take place, except of those who committed grave crimes,” the Foreign Minister added.

[Pagan]

OK... Geneva talks call for the return of the administrative buildings to the government. But to which government? In my opinion, Viktor Yanukovych is still the legitimate president of Ukraine. Turchynov wasn't elected to the office, and he is just a puppet installed by the NATO to act as a mask to the Princess Tymoshenko.

The most important agreement reached during the talks, according to Lavrov, states that the Ukrainian crisis “must be resolved by the Ukrainians themselves concerning an end to the conflict” including those related to “detaining protesters, occupying buildings” and, in the long run “the start of true constitutional reform.”

“Among the steps that have to be taken are: the disarmament of all the illegal armed groups, and the return of all the occupied administrative buildings,” Lavrov told journalists at the Thursday briefing.

“An amnesty for all the protesters must take place, except of those who committed grave crimes,” the Foreign Minister added.

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Бывшee выcшee pyкoвoдcтвo cтpaны вo глaвe c Янyкoвичeм oбвиняeтcя в мaccoвoм yбийcтвe людeй.

http://zn.ua/POLITICS/gaagskiy-tribunal-poluchil-pravo-rassledovat-sobytiya-evromaydana-143521_.html

[Pagan]

The revolutionary aspirations expressed by protesters in Kiev’s Maidan are exactly what Mr. Putin wants to suppress in Russia. His reasons are not just geopolitical. He realizes that the quality of governance in Kiev is worse than in Moscow, but that Russian aspirations are not too far behind those in Ukraine. While the Kremlin permits Russian official TV channels to call Ukraine a corrupt and failed state, to describe its leaders as populist, nationalist or even fascist, such media descriptions of leaders in Russia are taboo.  http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/opinion/ukrainian-hopes-russian-failings.html?_r=0

[247crypto]

Donetsk Republik claim, that protesters from Kiev not liberate government buildings and not retire troups from Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOn6YCz5o-E

[247crypto]

Gorlovka Police Head sign for Donetsk Republic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nE_sifTYM4

[247crypto]

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/46342438