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April 29, 2014, 03:31:18 PM
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These two. Riot police in Lugansk return to their dislocation base, with people letting them go in peace, and chanting "Well done, guys!"

I'd say that the policemen do use their brains more wisely, when compared to those right-wing nuts. Just compare the salaries of the policemen in Russia and Ukraine. No more explanations needed.
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April 29, 2014, 03:41:48 PM
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April 29, 2014, 04:01:22 PM
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Kerry: Taped phone calls show Russia directing Ukraine unrest
posted at 8:41 am on April 29, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Alternate headline: Second look at the NSA? In a closed-door meeting last Friday, John Kerry claimed that Western intel had captured telephone conversations that prove Russia has directed the separatist groups in eastern Ukraine in their campaign to destabilize the country. Some of the handlers are the same as in Crimea, Kerry claimed in the meeting, which Josh Rogin and Eli Lake exclusively report for The Daily Beast:

    “Intel is producing taped conversations of intelligence operatives taking their orders from Moscow and everybody can tell the difference in the accents, in the idioms, in the language. We know exactly who’s giving those orders, we know where they are coming from,” Kerry said at a private meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Washington. A recording of Kerry’s remarks was obtained by The Daily Beast.

    Kerry didn’t name specific Russian officials implicated in the recordings. But he claimed that the intercepts provided proof of the Russians deliberately fomenting unrest in eastern Ukraine—and lying about it to U.S. officials and the public.

    “It’s not an accident that you have some of the same people identified who were in Crimea and in Georgia and who are now in east Ukraine,” said Kerry. “This is insulting to everybody’s intelligence, let alone to our notions about how we ought to be behaving in the 21st century. It’s thuggism, it’s rogue state-ism. It’s the worst order of behavior.” …

    Kerry has asserted publicly before that Russian intelligence officers were the “catalyst” behind the riots and government building takeovers in eastern Ukraine. But on Friday he told the private audience why he—and the U.S. intelligence community—were so sure of this assessment.

If so, then American intel has caught up after missing in its analysis of Crimea and Russia. Perhaps the Obama administration has also caught up with reality. After scolding the EU for its part in exacerbating the Ukraine crisis with its support for the Euromaidan protests, Kerry blasted Sergei Lavrov for being a big, fat, un-reset-button liar. If that paraphrase sounds undiplomatic, Kerry’s actual language wasn’t much less plain:

    “Right now there is not a negotiation; there is a confrontation. I’m sad to report I’ve never seen such a complete, miserable, unaccountable, disgraceful walk away from a set of promises and understandings than what has taken place,” Kerry said. ““I’ve had six conversations with Lavrov in the last weeks. The last one was kafta-esque, it was other planet, it was just bizarre. Nobody is better at telling you that red is blue and black is white… That’s what we are dealing with.”

Well … yes. That’s what Obama administration critics have said since the Reset Button fiasco five years ago. That’s what we said when Obama unilaterally canceled the missile shield program in eastern Europe, too, and pretty much what we’ve said about Russia all along. For those five years, Obama’s critics were called a bunch of revanchists and Cold War obsessives. Talk about Kafka-esque. Welcome to the non-Metamorphosis of Moscow, Obama administration Russophiles!

What does Russia have to say for itself? A Lavrov deputy waggled the finger of shame at Europe for its “Iron Curtain” sanctions. No, seriously:

    Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said “Iron Curtain”-style US sanctions could harm its hi-tech sector.

    Moscow also said the EU should be ashamed of extending its sanctions and was “under Washington’s thumb”. …

    He added: “This is a revival of a system created in 1949 when Western countries essentially lowered an ‘Iron Curtain’, cutting off supplies of hi-tech goods to the USSR and other countries.”

    A Russian foreign ministry statement said the EU was “doing Washington’s bidding with new unfriendly gestures towards Russia”.

    It added: “If that is how someone in Brussels is hoping to stabilise the situation in Ukraine, then it is a clear indication of a complete lack of understanding of the interior political situation in the country… Are you not ashamed?”

Russian forces seized Crimea, staged a phony plebiscite, and Russian-directed forces are doing the same thing in eastern Ukraine … and it’s Europe that should be ashamed. I’d mention Kafka again here, but this is less shocking for those who didn’t think that centuries of Russian imperialism and Soviet-style propaganda ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall, especially with a former KGB lieutenant colonel setting himself up as tsar.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/29/kerry-taped-phone-calls-show-russia-directing-ukraine-unrest/

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April 29, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
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Some commentators think this address to the people of Zaporozhje to meet tomorrow to rally for creation of Zaporozhje Republic might actually be a provocation, staged by SBU to catch those who do not  see eye to eye with the current Kiev junta. The wording and choice of proclamations is a bit strange.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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April 29, 2014, 04:37:18 PM
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Some commentators think this address to the people of Zaporozhje to meet tomorrow to rally for creation of Zaporozhje Republic might actually be a provocation, staged by SBU to catch those who do not  see eye to eye with the current Kiev junta. The wording and choice of proclamations is a bit strange.

Zaporozhye is tricky. More than 60% of the people are pro-Russian, but there is a lot of support for the Right Sector among sections of the population as well. In addition, a lot of Neo-Nazis are camping there after travelling all the way from Lvov and Ternopol.
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April 29, 2014, 04:46:29 PM
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/17747676

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April 29, 2014, 04:47:41 PM
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Here are the details of the incident:

Hundreds surround Int. Ministry HQ in Lugansk, demand police surrender

http://rt.com/news/155704-lugansk-protesters-interior-hq

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Anti-government protesters have surrounded the Interior Ministry office in Lugansk, after seizing the city’s regional administration building and prosecutor’s office. Meanwhile, Ukraine’s coup-appointed President Aleksandr Turchinov has ordered Interior Minister Arsen Avakov to sack police heads in the Lugansk and Donetsk regions in eastern Ukraine.

Trust me, the Kiev junta is collapsing...
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April 29, 2014, 05:10:13 PM
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ruϟϟian nazis thugs in Donetsk


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April 29, 2014, 05:37:01 PM
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The chief of Police of Lugansk resigns from his post:
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005962951.html

Lugansk pro-federalisation forces took control over the prosecutor's office and over the TV station:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/29/lugansk/

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April 29, 2014, 05:57:38 PM
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So after Crimea, it is the turn of Donetsk and Lugansk to breakaway from the clutches of the Kiev Nazis.

Donetsk - 4,350,000
Lugansk - 2,250,000
Crimea - 2,400,000

Total - 9,000,000 people. That is 20% of the total population of Ukraine.
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April 29, 2014, 06:42:29 PM
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nice faces of pro-ruϟϟian separatist  Grin













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April 29, 2014, 08:18:05 PM
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http://img.rt.com/files/news/25/ff/80/00/1566936_luhansk_480p.mp4?event=download
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April 29, 2014, 09:34:10 PM
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April 29, 2014, 10:05:56 PM
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Lugansk people tortured by pro-russian terrorists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyeq3sNmwQI

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April 30, 2014, 01:30:06 AM
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April 30, 2014, 02:54:52 AM
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Protester banner from Lugansk, Eastern Ukraine.

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Last edit: April 30, 2014, 09:06:38 AM by Nemo1024
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Churkin, Russia's ambassador to UN, called sending OSCE observers to South-Eastern Ukraine for "provocation or stupidity":
http://top.rbc.ru/politics/30/04/2014/921340.shtml

Pro-federalisation activists in Gorlovka town in Donetsk region took control of the administration building:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/30/n_6119905.shtml



Turchinov acknowledged loss of control over Donetsk and Lugansk regions:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1158525?utm_medium=rss20

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April 30, 2014, 09:58:02 AM
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Ukranian media says about 5 AK-armed men from the Ukrainian special unit Sokil (Interior ministry troops) disarmed by pro-autonomy protesters in Donetsk. Disarmed or defected? Have to check.
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