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Question: Ethnic cleansing of Russian speaking by Kiev forces is the main cause of clashes in Donbass area.
True. - 54 (51.4%)
This is Khasarian Kaganat and Russians must be killed or must be sclaves. - 29 (27.6%)
What is Donbass? - 5 (4.8%)
Where is Kiev? - 4 (3.8%)
My TV show only Israeli clashes. - 13 (12.4%)
Total Voters: 105

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Author Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.  (Read 734778 times)
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April 12, 2014, 06:33:33 PM
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Russian military aircraft over Lugansk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOKOzEy7P68

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April 12, 2014, 06:36:42 PM
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Interesting to see that Hrakov region has the lowest "For joining RF" rating - "only" 50% (EDIT: that's better, already 51%)

The question for each region are:
- Remain in centrally-goverened Ukraine
- Join RF
- Independent republic
- Remain in Ukraine as a Federative subject
(The first and the last question can potentially be summed to see how many favour Ukraine)

The regions are:
- Harkov
- Lugansk
- Donetsk
- Zaporozhje
- Herson
- Odessa
- Nikolaev
- Dnepropetrovsk

Only people living in a particular region can vote for their region, and each can only vote once, the rest of the world can see the results.

This gives an indication of people's preferences, should an official referendum be conducted.

Russian military aircraft over Donetsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOKOzEy7P68

The airplane did a circle over the the headquarters of the Security Forces building and departed.
One of the comments to the video: "This was the most polite carpet bombing in history" Cheesy

Other commentators think that this was the Euro-Ukrainian plane, sent by Kiev to scare people or do a recon flight, but as Ukraine and Russia use the same hardware, people took it for Russian airplane and actually rallied in jubilee. Cheesy

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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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April 12, 2014, 06:44:37 PM
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"For joining RF"

"Federalization" is a only legal solution.

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April 12, 2014, 07:12:16 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgL0S0NiddE

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April 12, 2014, 07:18:04 PM
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in my opinion they should be Independent Republics each to their own, smaller countries can make it easier and it is better for the ppl, of course big corporations dont like this they like globalisation to make the rich richer and poor poorer.

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April 12, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
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Kramotorst city council being taken over (no idea by whom), shooting at 3:15, according to the operator, door was being blasted down. At the end someone roughly shouted to remove the camera. Local hospitals reported no injured.

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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
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April 12, 2014, 07:29:15 PM
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no idea by whom

By local anti neonazi activists.

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April 12, 2014, 07:44:26 PM
Last edit: April 12, 2014, 07:55:58 PM by Nemo1024
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Yarosh (yes, the very same for whom Russia filed an Interpol arrest order for terrorist activities) ordered Right Sector to prepare for defence of Ukrainian sovereignty:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1117052?utm_medium=rss20

While their friends in US State Department blame Russia for the unrest in the South-East (as if StateDep's installing of Nazis of Right Sector at the helm is not the primary reason for unrest):
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/12/n_6079149.shtml

One of the comments to the first news (translated from Russian):

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Yarosh hasn't understood that the miners and all the people of Donbass are not the same as unarmed Berkut, who were under orders not to touch anybody. And said people are furious, and that is a terrible force in itself. His suckers are nothing against such force.

And one of the comments to the latter (in the original language and grammar):

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Americans go home!!! dirty bloody hands so from Ukraine!!!

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Next complaint will be that Russia exists at all and by that enrages Washington and Kiev.

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April 12, 2014, 08:02:38 PM
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Here is RT report on Slavjansk:
http://rt.com/news/rally-donetsk-slavyansk-ukraine-160/


Slavjansk joined in the uprising:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/12/n_6078677.shtml

Mayor of Slavjansk supported the citizens in their demand for referendum:
http://ria.ru/world/20140412/1003638391.html

Protesters blocked police buses, headed for Slavjansk and are currently negotiating with police:
http://ria.ru/world/20140412/1003632267.html

Special ops from Donetsk (former Berkut) refuse to "pacify" Slavjansk:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/12/slavyansk/

Berkut officers in Savastopol appeal to the other law enforcement personel in South-Eastern Ukraine to side with the people of Ukraine, and thank the officers of "Alpha" who refused to use force against people in Harkov, Lugansk and Donetsk:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1116194?utm_medium=rss20

In the meantime, coup president Turchinov retired the chief of Security Service of Donetsk region:
http://www.forbes.ru/news/254561-turchinov-snyal-s-dolzhnosti-glavu-sbu-po-donetskoi-oblasti

Several thousand protesters are still rallying in Lugansk demanding referendum:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1116245?utm_medium=rss20

EDIT: Add Kramotorsk to the list of towns with anti-Maidan uprising.


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April 12, 2014, 08:15:51 PM
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/3453490909001/nato-commander-us-troops-may-be-sent-to-eastern-europe/#sp=show-clips

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April 12, 2014, 08:31:47 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4uNs0nG-NM

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April 12, 2014, 09:15:29 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEdkulVmDG8

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April 12, 2014, 09:38:59 PM
Last edit: April 12, 2014, 09:53:08 PM by Nemo1024
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Very symbolic and emotional sequence from 1:18

Haшe дeлo пpaвoe! Пoбeдa бyдeт зa Haми!

This is the slogan under which our grandfather went to fight fascists in 1941-1945.

Our cause is right! Victory will be ours!

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Pociя нiкoли нe бyлa нaм вopoгoм. Pociяни, yкpaїнцi тa бiлopycи - тpи бpaтнi нapoди.
From Ukrainian: Russia was never our enemy. Russians, Ukrainians and Belorussians are three brotherly peoples.

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Bигaняйтe бaндepiвcькy cвoлoтy гeть з Укpaїни !
From Ukrainian: Chase the Bandera bastards out of Ukraine!

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April 12, 2014, 09:40:40 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIBsLnR4BNk

http://banderivets.org.ua/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Vn1SFlomo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6A5VMITYU

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Neo nazi voyage to Harkov, blocked by Poltava police.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdgURSKc__0

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April 12, 2014, 10:18:32 PM
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Might be staged. Journalists already in place. A lot of shooting into the air and shooting in general, yet everyone present is utterly calm. Masked men striking a lot of heroic poses. I am no expert on firearms (the Americans on this forum would be better experts there), but the shots almost looked like blank ones.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
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Might be staged. Journalists already in place. A lot of shooting into the air and shooting in general, yet everyone present is utterly calm. Masked men striking a lot of heroic poses. I am no expert on firearms (the Americans on this forum would be better experts there), but the shots almost looked like blank ones.
Shooting with blanks, too much press in good time and the people somehow too quickly left the place. The most of commenters thought that it's a fake video by Yats & Co.
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