Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll)

[mu_enrico]

To my knowledge, playing in gambling is just pure luck and there is no winning strategy.  and does it have to be big to win big bets too?

There is some common knowledge about how to win the contest (at least in theory).
1. For multiplier, go for at least 5,000x max-win because you can't win multiplier contest if you play 500x or 1,000x max-win games.
2. For max hit, you can play medium volatility with higher bet, $1 for example since you don't need a massive multiplier.
3. For bonus buy, go for minimum buy, $10 previously.

That's about it, and you need decent bankroll if you aim for #1. If only for last place, or for fun, I deposit only ~$80.

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[roycilik]

@oHnK In theory, mu_enrico has been explained to you

Moreover, seeing the duelbit competition that is won by you very often

You need to know, winning the competitions isn't the main target for me, I consider the prize (If win) as a reserve fund when I lose
I play slots because I like that game, not just for the reward. Sometimes I burn a lot of funds (more than the prize pool)

I didn't have a good knowledge base in slots until I studied slowly in the thread the OP made.

The slot game also has a Demo mode, which you can try first before using real money

To my knowledge, playing in gambling is just pure luck and there is no winning strategy.

Yeah, anything needs Luck and I believe everyone has luck
let's say there are 2 players in the competition:
Player 1: Being lucky
Player 2: Being lucky + Strategy (or knowlage)
Who has a greater chance of being the winner?

it's all about chance

[Bitinity]

Really miss the time when I was dominating the duelbit's competitions, hopefully I can be there again soon and compete with you all.

Yeah I hope you get better now and back on the track

Thanks mate, you are my best friend that I have never met  . Hope everything goes well soon and I can come back, my main priority now is in my family. I have to spend more time as well as money for them now till everything back to normal like before. The new competitions are up, good luck for you as always and hope you are still holding your luck.

[oHnK]

There is some common knowledge about how to win the contest (at least in theory).
1. For multiplier, go for at least 5,000x max-win because you can't win multiplier contest if you play 500x or 1,000x max-win games.
2. For max hit, you can play medium volatility with higher bet, $1 for example since you don't need a massive multiplier.
3. For bonus buy, go for minimum buy, $10 previously.

That's about it, and you need decent bankroll if you aim for #1. If only for last place, or for fun, I deposit only ~$80.

Thanks for ur explanation, honestly I don't interest to join the competition because I know that I'm still a newbie but overall I am interested to know more about slot strategies. Is it really more profitable to play slots in gambling site competitions or without competition? I've tried fun play on several sites and next time I really need some guider to become better at gambling. Please help me, next bro.

[mu_enrico]

Is it really more profitable to play slots in gambling site competitions or without competition? I've tried fun play on several sites and next time I really need some guider to become better at gambling. Please help me, next bro.

In theory, yes, it's more profitable with competition since competition prize means more RTP (Return to Player), but only if you can get at least last prize. Even if you lose money playing slots but manage to win the competition, you can end up in profit. Here's some scenario:
- You lose all your deposit scoring no win (worst scenario, this is often happen if you play with a small bankroll);
- You lose all your deposit but scoring some decent win (multiplier etc.) you can end up in profit depend on how much your wager vs competition prize (@roycilik called this as a loss back);
- You win some profit from playing, but your score isn't big enough for the competition. It's still profit;
- You win big from playing and at the same time you win the competition. Best scenario.

However, I can't encourage you to gamble. If you aren't a gambler, maybe you will be better to stay that way because:

Disclaimer: gambling is for adults who understand the risks involved with this game. Plus, OP wouldn't take responsibility whatsoever if you then become slots addict and lose lots of money after reading this thread.

In other words, it's risky

[roycilik]

Hope everything goes well soon and I can come back, my main priority now is in my family.

Yeah that's the most important thing

The new competitions are up, good luck for you as always and hope you are still holding your luck.

Looks like Hh still hasn't had time to change the rules for Bonus Buy and Max HitBtw, I have made a new record from the previous 8738.60x and now I have reached 10000x (Max Win)
From what game? Xpander by Hacksaw
Buy Feature? of course...

Replay https://replay.hacksawgaming.com/?roundid=254758623&partner=609&language=en


But, I don't recommend this game especially if you don't have a good bankroll. This game is so brutal, I have lost around $300 in a short time before getting Max Win

[Bitinity]

Btw, I have made a new record from the previous 8738.60x and now I have reached 10000x (Max Win)
From what game? Xpander by Hacksaw
Buy Feature? of course...

Replay https://replay.hacksawgaming.com/?roundid=254758623&partner=609&language=en

WTF man...your have unstoppable luck. Is it a proof of "the more you give, the more you get back"? 

But, I don't recommend this game especially if you don't have a good bankroll. This game is so brutal, I have lost around $300 in a short time before getting Max Win

Typical hacksaw game, most of their games are brutal indeed. Do you remember when I told you that I lost $1,500 in a week? Half of that amount was a lost in Chaos Crew. I havent tried Xpander, I'll put it on my "waiting list" slot to play. 

[roycilik]

Typical hacksaw game, most of their games are brutal indeed. Do you remember when I told you that I lost $1,500 in a week? Half of that amount was a lost in Chaos Crew.

Yeah that's so bad
If you look at the RTP of Chaos Crew it would make sense, RTP 92% will get you busted faster (if you don't get a big win at the beginning)

I havent tried Xpander, I'll put it on my "waiting list" slot to play. 

Xpander is better than Chaos Crew regarding the RTP
but I didn't recommend Xpander, good for me not necessarily good for you

[swogerino]

To my knowledge, playing in gambling is just pure luck and there is no winning strategy.  and does it have to be big to win big bets too?

There is some common knowledge about how to win the contest (at least in theory).
1. For multiplier, go for at least 5,000x max-win because you can't win multiplier contest if you play 500x or 1,000x max-win games.
2. For max hit, you can play medium volatility with higher bet, $1 for example since you don't need a massive multiplier.
3. For bonus buy, go for minimum buy, $10 previously.

That's about it, and you need decent bankroll if you aim for #1. If only for last place, or for fun, I deposit only ~$80.

That is great advice.I also managed to be a winner of Play n Go tournament in Sportsbet and I managed to win by playing with 0.5 Usd to 1 Usd bet in games where the bonus round falls often on the reels.So to add to your advice I would also say playing games where the bonus round falls often on the reels gives you some sort of advantage.

[oHnK]

Is it really more profitable to play slots in gambling site competitions or without competition? I've tried fun play on several sites and next time I really need some guider to become better at gambling. Please help me, next bro.

In theory, yes, it's more profitable with competition since competition prize means more RTP (Return to Player), but only if you can get at least last prize. Even if you lose money playing slots but manage to win the competition, you can end up in profit. Here's some scenario:
- You lose all your deposit scoring no win (worst scenario, this is often happen if you play with a small bankroll);
- You lose all your deposit but scoring some decent win (multiplier etc.) you can end up in profit depend on how much your wager vs competition prize (@roycilik called this as a loss back);
- You win some profit from playing, but your score isn't big enough for the competition. It's still profit;
- You win big from playing and at the same time you win the competition. Best scenario.

However, I can't encourage you to gamble. If you aren't a gambler, maybe you will be better to stay that way because:

Disclaimer: gambling is for adults who understand the risks involved with this game. Plus, OP wouldn't take responsibility whatsoever if you then become slots addict and lose lots of money after reading this thread.

In other words, it's risky

Yup, I understand the risks in the world of gambling but because of a very high curiosity it attracted me to this thread.  Based on your experience while playing in slots, is the probability of winning measurable?  Because I was taught by a friend of mine, even in the competition it is not always possible to cover the losses suffered by the players, so I have to be wise to take steps.  Is it really like that?

[Silberman]

Lately I really want to go deeper into slot games and others.  Moreover, seeing the duelbit competition that is won by you very often, makes me curious about the strategy to win each game.  I didn't have a good knowledge base in slots until I studied slowly in the thread the OP made.  To my knowledge, playing in gambling is just pure luck and there is no winning strategy.  and does it have to be big to win big bets too?

You have answered about your curiosity yourself, it is pure luck based game and luck is the only deciding factor but you can try to push your luck by keep playing as long as possible.
Your bet amount has nothing to do with your luck, but it is obvious that bigger bets will give you bigger wins but it requires you bigger bankroll to start.
If you want to beat him, you need to have bigger luck and maybe bigger bankroll or at least equal bankroll to his bankroll.
 

When it comes to slots there is not really much to analyze, whatever strategy that you can come up is something the developers would have thought already and the payouts should be lower than the odds to win, the only ones that I have seen that have ever made money in those games are the one that play for a chance to a big prize, obviously the chances to win this are very low but it is the only way to actually win more money than what we put in it.

[roycilik]

When it comes to slots there is not really much to analyze, whatever strategy that you can come up is something the developers would have thought already and the payouts should be lower than the odds to win

So do you think every player who plays slots will end up just losing a lot of their money?
Stake is one of the gambling platforms that has the most slot games. Looks like you are not decent to say like that

[Poker Player]

When it comes to slots there is not really much to analyze, whatever strategy that you can come up is something the developers would have thought already and the payouts should be lower than the odds to win

So do you think every player who plays slots will end up just losing a lot of their money?
Stake is one of the gambling platforms that has the most slot games. Looks like you are not decent to say like that

He thinks the same as I do. That slots are EV-games and therefore people who play they lose in the long run, even though in the short run they may win a jackpot or have a winning streak. It overwhelms me how this thread can have 25 pages of supposed "strategies" to win with slots when it is a game that mathematically gives you less money than you bet. For every $1K that goes into a slot machine, it returns $700 in prizes (depending on the type of machine and game). This means that for every $1 you bet, the potential return is negative, -$0.30. As much as you can win a jackpot or have a winning streak of several prizes in the short term, the more you play the closer the total bet will be to the total potential return, which will be what you wagered minus 30%.

The so-called "strategies" for winning at slots are simply garbage.

[roycilik]

@Poker Player Owh man, Thanks for your explanation, your mathematically is so cool, you're great
So you think I'll only wash my time for playing Slot games?
there are many slot games, it allows you not to stay in just one game

The so-called "strategies" for winning at slots are simply garbage.

If you find this thread useless to attract many players to play slots, simple just ignore this thread. Here discussing strategy does not mean it is the key to winning a game

How about Duelbits? There are so many slots games, do I just lose my money there if I play slots there?

[Poker Player]

@Poker Player Owh man, Thanks for your explanation, your mathematically is so cool, you're great

Yeah, thanks but I am not as great as you and your useless strategies. 

So you think I'll only wash my time for playing Slot games?

Do you mean waste?

It depends on what you play for. If you expect to get rich, yes, you are wasting your time. If you expect to be entertained or have fun, having the opportunity to win money in that session, but being aware that it is a game in which the odds are against you, no, you are not.

Here discussing strategy does not mean it is the key to winning a game

And what is the strategy for, then?

How about Duelbits? There are so many slots games, do I just lose my money there if I play slots there?

Much better than rollbit, that's for sure. In Duelbits you are going to have a better user experience, which is what I was talking about before. Gambling  occupies an important part of the entertainment sector, and for that it is key how the player feels, and not to deceive him with false promises that he is going to get rich with games that are of negative potential return in the long run.

[roycilik]

Yeah, thanks but I am not as great as you and your useless strategies. 

At least I'm actually playing the game and not just theory

And what is the strategy for, then?

You already gave the answer here:

If you expect to be entertained or have fun, having the opportunity to win money in that session

Knowing about the RTP and Volatility of a game is part of the strategy, if you just choose a game randomly without knowing the RTP and Volatility of course it will burn your money quickly if you don't have a good bankroll. Each slot game has a different RTP and Volatility (even low RTP up to %60), this is why you need to have a strategy in choosing a game

How about Duelbits? There are so many slots games, do I just lose my money there if I play slots there?

Much better than rollbit, that's for sure. In Duelbits you are going to have a better user experience, which is what I was talking about before. Gambling  occupies an important part of the entertainment sector, and for that it is key how the player feels, and not to deceive him with false promises that he is going to get rich with games that are of negative potential return in the long run.

Oh wow... now you compare Rollbit to Duelbits LOL
How long have you been playing on Duelbits?

[mu_enrico]

Based on your experience while playing in slots, is the probability of winning measurable?

It depends on the definition of "winning," if it's max-win the help section of some provider states the probability of getting a max-win. Let's say 1/1,000,000 spins (one in a million). But, it doesn't mean that you will definitely get a max-win if you spin 1 million times. It's only on average after x billion simulation. That said, you can get a max-win even with one spin and get none even after one million spins.

I think we can't calculate winning (if you mean profit) probability without knowing the math inside the slots software, and how many spins you want to do. I only know that more people are losing than winning.

I was taught by a friend of mine, even in the competition it is not always possible to cover the losses suffered by the players, so I have to be wise to take steps.  Is it really like that?

Yes, if you are often unlucky (like me). I think this week alone I burned more than $200 without getting any good result. So -$200 for me this week, so the worst scenario for me.

So do you think every player who plays slots will end up just losing a lot of their money?

Nope, it is based on your LUCK, and some dudes are luckier than other.

He thinks the same as I do. That slots are EV-games and therefore people who play they lose in the long run, even though in the short run they may win a jackpot or have a winning streak.

You know that's only in theory (and on average), right? Like in theory, your chance to win lottery is slim, slimmer than getting struck by lightning, EV- for sure in the long run. But for those who are lucky, they win and get EV+++.

It overwhelms me how this thread can have 25 pages of supposed "strategies" to win with slots when it is a game that mathematically gives you less money than you bet.

Please read the content first before commenting, that should be the golden rule of this forum. There are no 25 pages of strategy here, but this thread is for slots players to share their experience, bragging their winning, informing contests, discussing their favorite games, etc.

And what is the strategy for, then?

Please, read the content first.

Well, there is no "strategy" per se for this one click spin and pure luck-based game. However, you can use several playing styles for various scenarios you may encounter in this game.

Let's say you deposit $100 and want to play slots. "Strategy" here is just to give you some scenario on how to play the game.
You can do $20 x 5 spins -> not a good strategy IMO, but you can win big depends on your luck.
Or you can do $0.25 x 400 spins, or progressive $0.25 x 200 and then followed by $0.5 x 100.

It depends on what you play for. If you expect to get rich, yes, you are wasting your time. If you expect to be entertained or have fun, having the opportunity to win money in that session, but being aware that it is a game in which the odds are against you, no, you are not.

True, don't play poker as well, it's just a waste of time and money. Work harder and smarter! LuL

[maju69]

When it comes to slots there is not really much to analyze, whatever strategy that you can come up is something the developers would have thought already and the payouts should be lower than the odds to win

So do you think every player who plays slots will end up just losing a lot of their money?
Stake is one of the gambling platforms that has the most slot games. Looks like you are not decent to say like that

Obviously if the payout is lower than the chance to win from the slot game it's wrong, the proof is that many people have liked this slot game and have taken a lot of wins from this game, so it's not what @Silberman imagined, still slots have a good chance so far this.

Stake.com is the best platform and I've only been there playing dice a lot but winnings are pretty much the same as slots so until now there's been a fair amount of payout odds on that.

But I agree with @roycilik's statement.

[panjul07]

Yeah, thanks but I am not as great as you and your useless strategies. 

Do you know his strategy or do you know how he plays slot and have you tried his strategy?
If you do not know or if you have not tried his strategy, how can you say it is useless?

How long have you been playing on Duelbits?

If you asked it to me then I'd answer it gently "NOT YET" 

[panjul07]

@roycilik: What do you think with the new system on Stake where you can bet on pragmatic play games as low as Rp.200,- per spin?
With that low amount per spin, buy feature cost Rp.20,000 ($1.4) only which is nice for those who were not dare enough to risk $20 for the buy feature.
It is now more affordable but ufortunately not all games are available to be played with such low amount.