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Question: Who will be the champion in 2023/24 season?
Manchester City - 89 (46.1%)
Liverpool - 32 (16.6%)
Arsenal - 39 (20.2%)
Chelsea - 7 (3.6%)
Manchester United - 14 (7.3%)
Totenham - 7 (3.6%)
Newcastle - 2 (1%)
Other - 3 (1.6%)
Total Voters: 193

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August 24, 2023, 01:55:06 PM
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Mason Mount's current performance in Manchester United isn't pleasing to watch and that's why fans of the club currently believe that his signing was a waste of resources.
But I think the England international will adapt to the playing style of the club in future time. He's trying to adapt to the playing pattern and philosophy of the club. Mount in my own opinion has the potentials to become a great signing for the red devils but needs more time to start displaying the best part of himat the club.
Lionel Messi needed a whole season to get back his form in PSG. That is a top player, why should people want a player like Mason Mount to play at maximum performance after just few matches?
I understand the frustration of fans especially Manchester United ones but they have to calm down a bit and not frustrate the player mentally, he just escaped from Chelsea bad performance seasons.
Every player will have a bad time at some point in their career, if they don't get support from the club and fans during their bad times then it will be very difficult for them to come back from that bad performance. Lionel Messi is undoubtedly a great player but after joining PSG, he performed poorly in a few matches and instead of encouraging him, PSG fans criticized him a lot and called him bad words in the studio, which led to Messi not spending valuable time in his career at PSG. The same is the case with Mason Mount, this midfielder was brought from Chelsea to Manchester United but Manchester United is failing to perform at his best. In this case, Manchester United fans should not be treated like PSG fans. Mason Mount should be encouraged only if this player gives his best.

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August 24, 2023, 01:59:14 PM
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In my opinion, Erik Ten Hag is too demanding of an ideal strategy while the abilities of the players are not too appropriate. Erik Ten Hag can be said to be a strict and idealistic coach, but that is still not comparable to the poor condition of Manchester United's players. Just look at how blunt the front line is, even building attacks is still not sharp. We are consumed by the media exaggerating Manchester United players, because the facts are very far from what is being talked about. Rashford is having a hard time being consistent, Antony and Garnacho still want to highlight their respective skills. I like Erik Ten Hag and he is on the right track but at the moment the capacity he has is lacking.
Ten Hag is a fairly reliable coach and he can understand the situation of a football club which is trained to be able to create a truly capable force and be able to compete with other big clubs.
Right now maybe Manchester United's players are not that good in every game but when Ten Hag familiarizes the players with the ideal strategy then it is likely that it won't take long for Ten Hag and his players to have the strength they want.
I believe in Ten Hag's ability as a coach that one day Manchester United will really be able to become the king of England like a few years ago.

The midfielder's are not the midfielder's to win the Premier League, they are too dull and weak they are no agile enough to the standards of Man United.
With Mason Mount Injured they will have to look for replacement for the player sijce he will be out for a month.  Also they will need selling of a player before they can get another player now.
Manchester City are negotiating with wolves in order to sign one of the midfielder's they have it looks like they have come to no agreement with Westham over the transfer of Paqueta finally to Manchester City. They want to get this done in the next 48 hours.

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August 24, 2023, 02:02:06 PM
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Manchester City looks very good this season as well. Arsenal need to do something to make a difference. They couldn't handle the pressure last season and made a lot of mistakes in the last weeks. I hope they have learned from those mistakes and won't repeat them this season.
One thing's for sure, and it's that Arsenal are learning and growing, though i don't think they've learnt enough to usurp City this season, but they are going to be their closest competitor for the EPL title. City has all it takes to get over the line again, they have the experience and they know how to handle the pressure, especially in the final weeks of the season. Arsenal still have quite a lot of learn and experience to garner, but i can see this group of Arsenal players winning the title in a few years time.



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August 24, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
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Pochettino has a great responsibility. Last year, Potter left Chelsea a wreck. Actually, his staff was good, but he finished the league in the lower ranks, no matter how difficult it was. Chelsea has always been a team that competes in the top four. Although expectations for Pochettino are lower this year because of the bad chart last year, I hope they will be in the top four this year.
Coaching a big club like Chelsea comes with big responsibilities. Some have come through same path and were unsuccessful, it is Pochettino’s time and we can only hope for a better season with Pochettino. The team is already showing good signs of improvement this season I hope they continue in that direction and improve their game this time because it will be a good one if they can achieve top four finish at the end of the season.
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August 24, 2023, 02:05:50 PM
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Even though what we saw from Tottenham against Manchester United at the start of the match was not good, Tottenham slowly began to find a rhythm in the game and slowly made it difficult for Manchester United's defense. Dominantly, in the first half, you were dominant and neat, but you couldn't score against Tottenham.
I think that it's not totenham that was strong but i believe if manchester united performed so badly against totenham. All of the goals by totenham being made by martinez. This is the reason why Manchester United supporters bestowed upon him a new moniker, Lisandro Meguire.
He played like meguire. All of goals were coming from his mistake. The indescribable feeling I have can only be expressed through honesty, and I must admit that the defenders of Manchester United were the worst. The players could not getting away from making blunder.
MU was always loosing due to the blunders being made by its defenders.

And finally in the second half Tottenham was able to score a goal that was created by Spurs in the 83rd minute and successfully doubled the score to 2-0 and Tottenham still maintained their lead in the remaining minutes of the last minute of the game.
I must say that if it's not totenham but lisandro meguire who has been scoring all of goals for totenham. Totenham would not able to win against MU if lisandro meguire was not making blunders.
Lisandro meguire must fuck off.
I guess you meant Lisandro Martinez because Harry Maguire the former captain have been benched for over a long time in Manchester united and didn't start in the match against Tottenham rather it was Lisandro Martinez and Rafael Varane who are the preferred choice in the centre back position that started the game, however the problem of Manchester United in that match was not coming from Martinez, I think there problem is not even the defence line but the midfield, Mason Mount and Bruno Fernandes are almost alike and not fit to play the midfield together, also the Defensive Midfield Casimiro ain't in the good form and would need a challenge in that position to help him pick up.
 Also Rashford is playing out of position and Manchester really need a striker so as for Rashford to move to his preferred position, another player that's underperforming is the Brazilian winger Antony he's not lining up to the amount he was bought for and needs to be benched, i also think Gernacho is not really to play as a starter in the club and performs better when introduced from the bench, lastly united needs be hasty in offloading about 2 more players as a to get in new arrivals to strengthen weaker positions especially the midfield area.
Many people called lisandro martinez as lisandro meguire. It's caused by he had similar performance like meguire which was very often in making blunders. You shall watch the highlight again.
Look at the first goal, the ball was rebound after it was hitting martinez. and he was not in a splendid position to block the ball. The second goal was purely martinez's mistake. Nothing happens if martinez was not changing the direction of the ball caused by totenham's player was missing it.

Martinez was changing the direction of the ball to go to the nett. That's why i called him as another meguire. Lisandro meguire is a suitable name for him now.

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August 24, 2023, 02:07:00 PM
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Mason Mount's current performance in Manchester United isn't pleasing to watch and that's why fans of the club currently believe that his signing was a waste of resources.
But I think the England international will adapt to the playing style of the club in future time. He's trying to adapt to the playing pattern and philosophy of the club. Mount in my own opinion has the potentials to become a great signing for the red devils but needs more time to start displaying the best part of himat the club.
Lionel Messi needed a whole season to get back his form in PSG. That is a top player, why should people want a player like Mason Mount to play at maximum performance after just few matches?
I understand the frustration of fans especially Manchester United ones but they have to calm down a bit and not frustrate the player mentally, he just escaped from Chelsea bad performance seasons.
Most fans can only press for players to perform well, they don't understand the process, because the process can't be done in an instant, the process of adapting new players to other players can take time, so for that we also have to understand that we will never know in the middle of the season or the end of the season Mount can do better at manchester united.

We also shouldn't be able to blame some players just like that because in a club playing with eleven players and where out of the eleven there are players who may be less productive so to find a solid playing style is rather difficult, so it takes time to be able to produce a good game, it should be everyone supports without bringing down players, it's a loyal fan.
It is very strange if Mason Mount is used as the reason for Manchester United's poor performance, yes what you said is very true that the performance of a team does not depend on just a few players, this is a team game that involves everyone on all fronts.
Mason Mount is a new Manchester United player, of course he needs a process to adapt but I see that all Man United players played badly in the first 2 Premier League matches, they didn't have a clear rhythm of play and tactics weren't going well, during the match against Tottenha last weekend then it was clear that Man United's players were not playing well in all their lines.
Mason mount has appeared in several appearances with Manchester United this season, his performance has indeed seen a decline, even the British media say they are still confused about what position is appropriate for Mason Mount at Manchester United so that his performance will return to his performance like at Chelsea. At this time, Mount often wastes golden opportunities to score goals. The difference in playing styles adopted by ETH and the pressure from fans may be the cause of the decline in mason mount performance. If mason mount is given the opportunity to play more, can Manchester United restore glory like in the Ferguson era?

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August 24, 2023, 02:07:16 PM
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Mason Mount's current performance in Manchester United isn't pleasing to watch and that's why fans of the club currently believe that his signing was a waste of resources.
But I think the England international will adapt to the playing style of the club in future time. He's trying to adapt to the playing pattern and philosophy of the club. Mount in my own opinion has the potentials to become a great signing for the red devils but needs more time to start displaying the best part of himat the club.
I believe that a player should be given a comfortable role in order to perform to the expectations. Mount has played in attacking midfield most often for Chelsea and at United he is given rather a defensive midfield role so if someone is expecting a very good performance then they have to wait. I think he will adjust to attacking midfield at United very quickly but that position is occupied by Fernandes right now because he is much better option when it comes to creating chances and finding spaces.
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Manchester City looks very good this season as well. Arsenal need to do something to make a difference. They couldn't handle the pressure last season and made a lot of mistakes in the last weeks. I hope they have learned from those mistakes and won't repeat them this season.
One thing's for sure, and it's that Arsenal are learning and growing, though i don't think they've learnt enough to usurp City this season, but they are going to be their closest competitor for the EPL title. City has all it takes to get over the line again, they have the experience and they know how to handle the pressure, especially in the final weeks of the season. Arsenal still have quite a lot of learn and experience to garner, but i can see this group of Arsenal players winning the title in a few years time.

Arsenal's main strength is the excellent chemistry between the players. The team is able to consistently perform well due to the strong bond between the players. However, they could not win the title in the last season as several players in their squad suffered injuries almost simultaneously. And Arsenal did not have a suitable replacement for these players. Due to which they lost the consistency of performance. And they ended up losing the top spot in the table. Arsenal management has been trying to strengthen their squad this season. And we saw some good performances from Arsenal in the first matches. Arsenal's title fight with Manchester City this season could continue until the end of the season.

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August 24, 2023, 02:11:28 PM
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I believe that a player should be given a comfortable role in order to perform to the expectations. Mount has played in attacking midfield most often for Chelsea and at United he is given rather a defensive midfield role so if someone is expecting a very good performance then they have to wait. I think he will adjust to attacking midfield at United very quickly but that position is occupied by Fernandes right now because he is much better option when it comes to creating chances and finding spaces.

We were linked with Mount for a long time, I’m so glad he didn’t come to Liverpool though. I don’t think he’s particularly elite at anything. He’s a good but not great player. For the wages he’s reportedly on at United he needs to do a lot more.

He’s now out injured for up to 6 weeks too so it gets worse. Give me Mac Allister and Szoboszlai instead of him every day of the week. Mount is another overrated, overpriced English player.

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August 24, 2023, 02:26:16 PM
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We were linked with Mount for a long time, I’m so glad he didn’t come to Liverpool though. I don’t think he’s particularly elite at anything. He’s a good but not great player. For the wages he’s reportedly on at United he needs to do a lot more.

Yeah he is not that good to be given a #7 I suppose. He is not that elite also not sure what was going exactly in United's head.

I think United bought him at a bit expensive price tag but that's alright. To be honest, United didn't had a need to buy him but they might need him in scenarios when Fernandes get injured because there is no backup for Fernandes at United. It would be Rashford but then they have to give forward duties to Martial which is not much reliable. For such scenarios I would rather prefer some young talent to given some chances. Not sure if they wanted to leap on to the opportunity or what but I find Mount signing a bit unnecessary.

He’s now out injured for up to 6 weeks too so it gets worse. Give me Mac Allister and Szoboszlai instead of him every day of the week. Mount is another overrated, overpriced English player.

Mac Allister and Szoboszlai are massive signings for Liverpool. Mac Allister is a very strong center midfield. He has great understanding of the game and as for Szoboszlai he is a great dribbler as well. Liverpool right hand side is very strong with Arnold, Szoboszlai and Salah. Klopp is really a mastermind. Szoboszlai and Salah can really pair up very well not in terms of passing sense but also in terms of generating spaces. Just imagine if Szoboszlai is given a rather inside forward role to drive in load of opponent players to free up Salah up ahead on the right....that really gives me the creeps.
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August 24, 2023, 02:43:26 PM
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Mason Mount's current performance in Manchester United isn't pleasing to watch and that's why fans of the club currently believe that his signing was a waste of resources.
But I think the England international will adapt to the playing style of the club in future time. He's trying to adapt to the playing pattern and philosophy of the club. Mount in my own opinion has the potentials to become a great signing for the red devils but needs more time to start displaying the best part of himat the club.
I believe that a player should be given a comfortable role in order to perform to the expectations. Mount has played in attacking midfield most often for Chelsea and at United he is given rather a defensive midfield role so if someone is expecting a very good performance then they have to wait. I think he will adjust to attacking midfield at United very quickly but that position is occupied by Fernandes right now because he is much better option when it comes to creating chances and finding spaces.
Mount since the arrival was the hope of many people to strengthen the Red Devils as a midfielder, but it seems he got a bad comment from his fans because performance was not as expected.
I agree that Mount has the potential to stay a brilliant player with the Red Devils, but it seems that he is like playing uncomfortable and free in competing, especially against Tottenham, the Red Devils lost 2-0.

Maybe it's true that he needs orders in accordance with the role he wants to get his optimal abilities, because after all I think Mount is not a player who is easy to adapt to new styles and tasks, it takes time to adjust it.

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August 24, 2023, 03:02:27 PM
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Pochettino has a great responsibility. Last year, Potter left Chelsea a wreck. Actually, his staff was good, but he finished the league in the lower ranks, no matter how difficult it was. Chelsea has always been a team that competes in the top four. Although expectations for Pochettino are lower this year because of the bad chart last year, I hope they will be in the top four this year.
Coaching a big club like Chelsea comes with big responsibilities. Some have come through same path and were unsuccessful, it is Pochettino’s time and we can only hope for a better season with Pochettino. The team is already showing good signs of improvement this season I hope they continue in that direction and improve their game this time because it will be a good one if they can achieve top four finish at the end of the season.
The pressures is also very big. It's caused by chelsea was a top club in the past and chelsea had one of biggest fan base in the world. Managing the club as big as chelsea needs a very strong mentality. Chelsea changed its coach three times last season. Pochettino shall not become another flopp again for chelsea. Pochettino must face so many new name that unfamiliar to him. He has responsibility to make chelsea to be better in the next weeks. It's his main job as a coach for one of big club in london.
Many players who injured have been making him feel so confuse. Pochettino needs to find solutions for this problem as soon as possible.

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August 24, 2023, 03:09:02 PM
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Pochettino has a great responsibility. Last year, Potter left Chelsea a wreck. Actually, his staff was good, but he finished the league in the lower ranks, no matter how difficult it was. Chelsea has always been a team that competes in the top four. Although expectations for Pochettino are lower this year because of the bad chart last year, I hope they will be in the top four this year.
Coaching a big club like Chelsea comes with big responsibilities. Some have come through same path and were unsuccessful, it is Pochettino’s time and we can only hope for a better season with Pochettino. The team is already showing good signs of improvement this season I hope they continue in that direction and improve their game this time because it will be a good one if they can achieve top four finish at the end of the season.
The bigger problem with coaching a crisis-prone club like Chelsea is that,  the management won't give the coach enough time to build the club back through the recovery stage until they can stand on their feet rather the club owners will want the new coach to start performing miracles and delivers the winning right away.

But the process of reviving a club that has gone through a series of crises and poor performance throughout history is not overnight magic,  it requires long-term work and preparation that position the club for a better fit to be able to deliver quality results in the long term



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August 24, 2023, 03:16:53 PM
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Mason Mount's current performance in Manchester United isn't pleasing to watch and that's why fans of the club currently believe that his signing was a waste of resources.
But I think the England international will adapt to the playing style of the club in future time. He's trying to adapt to the playing pattern and philosophy of the club. Mount in my own opinion has the potentials to become a great signing for the red devils but needs more time to start displaying the best part of himat the club.
I believe that a player should be given a comfortable role in order to perform to the expectations. Mount has played in attacking midfield most often for Chelsea and at United he is given rather a defensive midfield role so if someone is expecting a very good performance then they have to wait. I think he will adjust to attacking midfield at United very quickly but that position is occupied by Fernandes right now because he is much better option when it comes to creating chances and finding spaces.
Mount since the arrival was the hope of many people to strengthen the Red Devils as a midfielder, but it seems he got a bad comment from his fans because performance was not as expected.
I agree that Mount has the potential to stay a brilliant player with the Red Devils, but it seems that he is like playing uncomfortable and free in competing, especially against Tottenham, the Red Devils lost 2-0.

Maybe it's true that he needs orders in accordance with the role he wants to get his optimal abilities, because after all I think Mount is not a player who is easy to adapt to new styles and tasks, it takes time to adjust it.

I agree, Mason Mount is a talented young player and has shown great potential in the past. Often, changes in coaches or team tactics can affect a player's performance on the field. I believe he has the qualities to be a top player, maybe there is hope that he can adapt and develop in a role that better suits his abilities.
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August 24, 2023, 03:21:39 PM
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In my opinion, Erik Ten Hag is too demanding of an ideal strategy while the abilities of the players are not too appropriate. Erik Ten Hag can be said to be a strict and idealistic coach, but that is still not comparable to the poor condition of Manchester United's players. Just look at how blunt the front line is, even building attacks is still not sharp. We are consumed by the media exaggerating Manchester United players, because the facts are very far from what is being talked about. Rashford is having a hard time being consistent, Antony and Garnacho still want to highlight their respective skills. I like Erik Ten Hag and he is on the right track but at the moment the capacity he has is lacking.
Ten Hag is a fairly reliable coach and he can understand the situation of a football club which is trained to be able to create a truly capable force and be able to compete with other big clubs.
Right now maybe Manchester United's players are not that good in every game but when Ten Hag familiarizes the players with the ideal strategy then it is likely that it won't take long for Ten Hag and his players to have the strength they want.
I believe in Ten Hag's ability as a coach that one day Manchester United will really be able to become the king of England like a few years ago.

The midfielder's are not the midfielder's to win the Premier League, they are too dull and weak they are no agile enough to the standards of Man United.
With Mason Mount Injured they will have to look for replacement for the player sijce he will be out for a month.  Also they will need selling of a player before they can get another player now.
Manchester United doesn't want to take the risk of selling a player and not being able to buy a replacement or buying a player and not being able to sell off. This is what Eric Hag is putting into consideration but the fact remains that Manchester United needs a sharp striker and a good midfielder.

Anthony is not sharp and should be sold out which I think Eric Ten Hag is considering. As for Maguire if he can be sold out,it will be better so that they can use the money wisely,but I don't think that there is any club that is willing to buy him anymore.

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August 24, 2023, 03:23:33 PM
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I agree, Mason Mount is a talented young player and has shown great potential in the past. Often, changes in coaches or team tactics can affect a player's performance on the field. I believe he has the qualities to be a top player, maybe there is hope that he can adapt and develop in a role that better suits his abilities.
maybe it just takes time to adapt to ETH's style of play, I'm sure Mason Mount can do it and will be a key player in Mu
Manchester united are elite club and competitive for the EPL title this season. They made some crucial signings in the transfer winow. Erik signed Mason Mount, he was a substantial player for Chelsea and served to his fullest capacity during his period in Stamford Bridge, that chapter have ended. He's presently in Old Trafford where he would begin to rewrite a new chapter, which the red devils tend to believed he will excel in the club. Erik Ten Hag sights potentials in him, one of the reasons he got signed, but with present situation. He's not meeting up the expectations and duty, he will need enough time to adapt to united pattern of game.

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August 24, 2023, 03:25:17 PM
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Manchester United didn't play too bad because they also created goal chances, but I think they had problems in defense against Tottenham. Marcus Rashford, Antony and Casemiro at least came close to scoring in the match, but in the end all of Manchester United's efforts failed.

Tottenham, who are playing at home, clearly have high motivation to win the match. It was the first victory for Ange Postecoglou as the new Tottenham manager, but it looks like he will try to maintain that winning trend when he travels to Bournemouth headquarters this week. Meanwhile, Manchester United will host Nottingham this week, but it shouldn't be too tough a match to win.
It wasn't too bad but in the second half they often made mistakes, especially team captain Bruno Fernandes and added to Mason Mount's less effective ability to play the tempo of the game in midfield so that Tottenham were able to dominate the game. The failure to anticipate the opponent's attack made Andre Onana have to save his goal several times and the defenders were also less solid in that match and this was seen when Lisandro Martinez failed to throw the ball which resulted in an own goal.

If Man United's third week plays like hosting Tottenham it will be difficult for them to get a win. But I'm sure Erik Ten Hak is aware of a number of things that need to be evaluated and this shouldn't be a difficult match for Man United to get full points. But if they make mistakes again, it's not impossible that Nottingham will make a surprise in that match.

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August 24, 2023, 03:31:54 PM
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Manchester City looks very good this season as well. Arsenal need to do something to make a difference. They couldn't handle the pressure last season and made a lot of mistakes in the last weeks. I hope they have learned from those mistakes and won't repeat them this season.
One thing's for sure, and it's that Arsenal are learning and growing, though i don't think they've learnt enough to usurp City this season, but they are going to be their closest competitor for the EPL title. City has all it takes to get over the line again, they have the experience and they know how to handle the pressure, especially in the final weeks of the season. Arsenal still have quite a lot of learn and experience to garner, but i can see this group of Arsenal players winning the title in a few years time.

If Arsenal problem is only inconsistent in a few moments near the end of the season, then I think it's not a problem and will likely be overcome by Arteta. Because the concern is, Arsenal cannot consistently to get point by point at moments like this. Because anyway, if from the beginning of the season Arsenal did not consistently get points in each match, then of course it would be a big problem troughthout season. Because anyway, if Arsenal only need to learn from last season then yes, it seems that what must be overcome is to maintain the fitness of the players of course, to make a consistent performance until the end.

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August 24, 2023, 03:32:39 PM
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I agree, Mason Mount is a talented young player and has shown great potential in the past. Often, changes in coaches or team tactics can affect a player's performance on the field. I believe he has the qualities to be a top player, maybe there is hope that he can adapt and develop in a role that better suits his abilities.
maybe it just takes time to adapt to ETH's style of play, I'm sure Mason Mount can do it and will be a key player in Mu
Manchester united are elite club and competitive for the EPL title this season. They made some crucial signings in the transfer winow. Erik signed Mason Mount, he was a substantial player for Chelsea and served to his fullest capacity during his period in Stamford Bridge, that chapter have ended. He's presently in Old Trafford where he would begin to rewrite a new chapter, which the red devils tend to believed he will excel in the club. Erik Ten Hag sights potentials in him, one of the reasons he got signed, but with present situation. He's not meeting up the expectations and duty, he will need enough time to adapt to united pattern of game.

Mason mount is still showing disappointed performance. So many cricitism were still coming to him. I can't argue that caused by in fact, mason's performance is far below my expectation. I expect him to play better but nothing happened with him.
he made zero assist, no goal and he was also having bad stat as well which makes me think if mount gonna be a player that will always be benched by ten hag. There's no good progress happens with mount at this moment.
Is he feeling confidence play in manchester united? I hope so but we don't know what he was feeling regarding it. It's better ten hag to put its focus into the defensive lines.
Almost all of defenders have same qualities. People were starting to compare all of defenders with meguire as the worst defenders in the club.

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August 24, 2023, 03:34:07 PM
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Gabriel Jesus is back in Arsenal's training sessions. There's a chance this forward might be included in the squad to face Fulham this weekend. His return provide a significant boost, but it's important to handle his situation carefully to avoid worsening the injury. It might be wise for Arteta to hold him off until after the international break and no rush at this point. Arsenal team should have enough capability to overcome Fulham even without him. However, Arteta may consider giving him a short appearance in the last 15-20 min to gain his fitness for the match against Manchester United!
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