Premier League Prediction Thread 2024/2025

[TelolettOm]

Erling Haaland scored 5 goals and strangely he still didn't get a rating of 10 in this match and his partner Kevin De Bruyne with his 4 assists helped Erling Haaland awaken the monster that had been sleeping inside him for a long time. It's great to see Manchester City's greatest duo back and everything would be easy if this pair had never experienced any difficulties since the start of the season. The injury suffered by Kevin De Bruyne made him quite behind and before this season ends we hope to see the beautiful goals they will score.

Haaland and de Bruyne are a deadly combination for Man City's opponents. If both are in very optimal condition and position, fit and solid, this is what happens. Hopefully it's not only in this match that the duet between the two of them is this incredible. Man City's results are really a big breakthrough for Man City, especially because of Man City's recent performance and match results. And in this FA Cup, their performance was truly incredible.

Moreover, if we look at the FA Cup match, Luton Town vs Man City, it is clear that Man City is dominating very well. Although actually, Luton Town wasn't that bad either, in fact they put up quite a significant resistance. However, it's not just Haaland and de Bruyne who were awesome at Man City, but all the lineups, Man City's back line, was also very strong. So it seems quite difficult for Luton Town to launch attacks on target towards the goal.

Source: Luton Town vs Man City

Haaland is still a monster. This isn't the first time he's been this incredible. Not the first time he has scored a large number of goals. In fact, since he played in the FIFA U-20 World Cup, he has been extraordinary. He sometimes really impresses us with his performance.
Source: Haaland goals records

[Mayor of ogba]

The FA-CUP game will give Manchester City a lot of motivation for the Premier League. They have to play Manchester United this Sunday.

This match is very important for Manchester City, even though they are the favorites, especially Manchester United in the last few meetings have always had difficulty beating City and also United are in doubt again after previously showing good progress because their young striker consistently scored goals but now is currently suffering from an injury, but United is still cannot be underestimated because United is targeting to get into the top four so resistance from United will be troublesome for City, and despite City big win over Luton's in the FA Cup, City in the English Premier League is actually in not very good condition as Haaland hasn't scored in the last three games, and City only scored three goals in the last three matches, so there are indeed things that are different for City when they play in the FA Cup and in the English Premier League, and my prediction is that United has a chance of getting 1 point in this match.

Manchester United will be an easy challenge for Manchester City on Sunday because, for the past years, Manchester United has been finding it hard to win against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium. If Manchester United perform the way they did against Fulham at Old Trafford, the job will be so easy for Manchester City. 

[knowngunman]

It is very risky if you force a bet on a team that you are not sure can win the match.
Manchester United is now quite difficult to predict, they are an inconsistent team so I am starting to avoid betting on the victory of one of the teams in matches played by Manchester United, I think it would be better to bet on over or under goals.

Against Nottingham Forest it shouldn't be too difficult for Man United because Man United's quality is much better, but again Man United's lack of consistency makes anything possible happen.

Perhaps, he's a United fan but does it worth it? To me it's not. There's no point in testing your losing patience with hard earn money in match you have no confidence in. Even if it's your team and you won't be happy to see them loosing the game, you should consider betting on other available teams because mixing emotions and gambling will not pay off. Let not even talk about Manchester united inconsistency this season and assume both teams to be in their prime. The present United squad is not in anywhere close to City squad when it comes to potential and performance even when they are at their best talk more of now that the United is battling with a lot of challenges both in the squad and in the management. Football is a game of surprise but United chance of winning against City on Sunday is very slim. City's victory against Luton yesterday will definitely increase their confidence.

[poodle63]

The FA-CUP game will give Manchester City a lot of motivation for the Premier League. They have to play Manchester United this Sunday.

This match is very important for Manchester City, even though they are the favorites, especially Manchester United in the last few meetings have always had difficulty beating City and also United are in doubt again after previously showing good progress because their young striker consistently scored goals but now is currently suffering from an injury, but United is still cannot be underestimated because United is targeting to get into the top four so resistance from United will be troublesome for City, and despite City big win over Luton's in the FA Cup, City in the English Premier League is actually in not very good condition as Haaland hasn't scored in the last three games, and City only scored three goals in the last three matches, so there are indeed things that are different for City when they play in the FA Cup and in the English Premier League, and my prediction is that United has a chance of getting 1 point in this match.

Manchester United will be an easy challenge for Manchester City on Sunday because, for the past years, Manchester United has been finding it hard to win against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium. If Manchester United perform the way they did against Fulham at Old Trafford, the job will be so easy for Manchester City.

I don't think so. I remind you that if city was not able beating manchester united in the last game. As long as united will perferm fully defensive and city will have no chance to beat MU. A few days away before that match and im sure ten hag will not be so damn stupid to play offensively at etihad stadium.
Im only concerning the performance from onana in the upcoming game. This guy is still having very poor performance, imagine when he will be missing weak shoots from city's players. Im sure whole fans will be blaming him.

Hojlund will not play in the upcoming game as confirmed by united if he will leave for weeks caused by his injury.

[temple]

Manchester City is only 1 point away from Liverpool who are at the top of the standings so the competition is still quite fierce so we can't be sure who will win the Premier League this season.
Now there are 3 teams that have the same potential to win the title this season, Manchester City, Liverpool and Arsenal, these three teams have very even strengths and also these three teams are quite consistent so it is difficult for us to predict who will come out as champions.

Like previous seasons, the competition for the Premier League title is always fierce, and that will also be the case this season.

It is true that in the last few seasons there was relatively fierce competition for the Premier League title, but if we look at last season specifically, it felt as if seemed to be more fierce than it actually was. Manchester City makes the impression that they have reserves in the tank which they can dip into if necessary. Arsenal didn't have those reserves and started to tumble towards the end of the season whereas Manchester City just had a winning streak and put the nail in the coffin. Only then did they tie and lose one game at the end because they knew they can afford it.

This leads me to the question which team has the most reserves that they can activate if necessary? Arsenal this time? I feel they are not that well equipped with reserves. Liverpool has reserves because they are playing without so many superstars at the moment and they are all coming back. And Manchester City always have reserves. It is as if it's part of their nature as a team. Just look at Haaland and how the timing is for him to get into peak shape. It look as if they are just getting started.

[Uruhara]

Manchester United will be an easy challenge for Manchester City on Sunday because, for the past years, Manchester United has been finding it hard to win against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium. If Manchester United perform the way they did against Fulham at Old Trafford, the job will be so easy for Manchester City. 

Last season Man United lost at the start of the season to Man City but then Man United managed to beat Man City in the second half of the season. And something similar could happen again this season. Because at the start of this season Man United also lost to Man City, but Man United could surprisingly win in the next match. But because in this week's match Man City is the host, I think there is no doubt that Man City will win. It's just that what we need to think about now is how many goals will be scored in this match.

[Farma]

Manchester United will be an easy challenge for Manchester City on Sunday because, for the past years, Manchester United has been finding it hard to win against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium. If Manchester United perform the way they did against Fulham at Old Trafford, the job will be so easy for Manchester City. 

Last season Man United lost at the start of the season to Man City but then Man United managed to beat Man City in the second half of the season. And something similar could happen again this season. Because at the start of this season Man United also lost to Man City, but Man United could surprisingly win in the next match. But because in this week's match Man City is the host, I think there is no doubt that Man City will win. It's just that what we need to think about now is how many goals will be scored in this match.

Manchester City will of course be very favourites, in terms of strength they are stronger than Manchester United this season and Manchester City will also be playing at home. Of course they have much greater motivation to win the match, especially now that Manchester City is competing for the title. PL so indeed Manchester City cannot lose 3 points in every match.

But what you have to remember, this is a Manchester derby match which has quite high tension, so I don't think that this match will be easy for Manchester City and the percentage of surprises will also be quite large because of the high tension of the match.
This is a match full of prestige for both teams, thus I think the match will be quite fierce and no goal is too much for a team

[Oneandpure]

I have hopes for Man United in this match and I think the match will end in favor of the visitors. Even though they experienced instability and in the Premier League, Nottingham Forest managed to beat Man United, this does not mean that in the FA competition they will allow them to lose again. Only this championship has a chance for Man United and I am sure Erik Ten Hak will try everything to get victory. The previous defeat when playing at Old Trafford was very surprising because Man Unied was in a positive trend.

Nottingham Forest is also not very consistent and even though the match will take place at their home ground the chances are still the same. If Man United does not try to chase champions in this competition, then this season Man United could lose all the opportunities that exist because chasing other competitions will no longer be possible for Man United.

FA Cup become the only one opportunity left for Manchester United winning the trophy after gap many points in Premier League and I don't sure Erik ten Hag have enough compete to make miracle for domestic league winner. In Fa Cup 5th round, Manchester United has away match for facing Nottingham Forest, Erik ten Hag have to forget last match losses against Fulham and keep trying to win the left opportunity for getting trophy in this season.
Nottingham Forest performance still not consistent yet after losing last match in Premier League against Aston Villa and other side their position standings in domestic league left fewest points with relegation zone and likely FA Cup match against Manchester United will use their second players composition.

[Franctoshi]

This could perhaps be used as a reason and motivation for the Manchester United team in the FA Cup because it is true as you said that only the FA Cup is possible for Manchester United to win this season.
If you look at the strength of the Nottingham Forest team, it is not that strong and it should not be difficult for Manchester United to win this match.

I doubt if Manchester United will be able to lift the FA Cup this season, I count them out, looking at other teams that are in the competition Liverpool, Manchester city, and Chelsea and the rest of other teams that are way better in performance this season than the United team, likely for them they may end up being able to reach the semi-final stage of the competition.

[onecall123]

Yes, at the Manchester City match
against Luton Kevin De Bruyne and Erling Haaland seemed to have a good understanding and connection on the pitch and they brought a special connection that worked well together.
Erling Haaland scored five goals in the 3rd, 18th, 40th, 55th and 58th minutes, one goal, and this was the first time in Malakukam in the EPL and one goal was contributed by Mateo Kovacic in the 72nd minute. And this cool result means that defending FA Cup champions Manchester City have successfully advanced to the quarter-finals, and the opportunity to defend their title is wide open.

To be honest, I was surprised when I saw that Haaland and De Bruyne were in the starting lineup for this match, there were thoughts that Guardiola would give the leaders a little rest for the cup match. The interaction between Haaland and De Bruyne was very impressive, KDB made an assists, and Haaland scores first 4 goals , it was cool. And of course it is worth noting the form in which Haaland is, 5 goals in one match is very impressive. It’s clear that Luton is not a team with the best defense, but someone recently complained that City haven’t scored enough in recent matches, is 6 goals per match enough? 

Luton played aggressively, which allowed Man City to score 6 goals. Haaland's performance was outstanding in this game! Both Haaland and De Bruyne showed their top form. It's great to see them performing so well at this crucial point in the season. No complaints here. This performance couldn't have come at a better time, especially before the Derby match. Man City will surely take this as a confidence boost for their upcoming Derby game on Sunday.

[Justbillywitt]

This could perhaps be used as a reason and motivation for the Manchester United team in the FA Cup because it is true as you said that only the FA Cup is possible for Manchester United to win this season.
If you look at the strength of the Nottingham Forest team, it is not that strong and it should not be difficult for Manchester United to win this match.

I doubt if Manchester United will be able to lift the FA Cup this season, I count them out, looking at other teams that are in the competition Liverpool, Manchester city, and Chelsea and the rest of other teams that are way better in performance this season than the United team, likely for them they may end up being able to reach the semi-final stage of the competition.

For sure I don't think Manchester United have a chance to win the FA cup. The way things are going they are likely to end the season without any trophy. They don't have what it takes to win a trophy this season. Manchester City are gearing up to repeat their last season feat by winning the tribble and Liverpool and on course to win the quadruple. These teams are more hungry for success compared to Manchester United who are yet to identify there pattern of play.

[Toro iskandar]

Manchester City will of course be very favourites, in terms of strength they are stronger than Manchester United this season and Manchester City will also be playing at home. Of course they have much greater motivation to win the match, especially now that Manchester City is competing for the title. PL so indeed Manchester City cannot lose 3 points in every match.

But what you have to remember, this is a Manchester derby match which has quite high tension, so I don't think that this match will be easy for Manchester City and the percentage of surprises will also be quite large because of the high tension of the match.
This is a match full of prestige for both teams, thus I think the match will be quite fierce and no goal is too much for a team

Of course, in terms of appearance, Manchester City is superior to Manchester United in the Premier League this season, especially since Manchester City is currently in the runner-up position and it is clear that the Manchester City squad is better than Manchester United.
Manchester United seems to be not performing well this season with its position in 6th place in the points standings, still far behind Manchester City, between 59 points and 44 points.
And later in the 27th match between Manchester City and Manchester United they will meet again and this match will certainly be an exciting moment to watch.
Yes, by playing at home, I think Manchester City will appear very dominating in this match because their players will definitely be able to adapt to the field conditions as they all know.

Yes, by fighting for the title in the EPL of course Manchester City will play even harder because their opponents will be very tough like Liverpool and Arsenal, these two clubs are very strong teams to date.
With Pep Guardiola's guidance, of course Manchester City is now stronger with a narrow win over Bournemouth on Saturday night, this is very convincing and adds even more pressure to the Liverpool squad.
And coach Pep Guardiola ensures that his team will appear stronger in the future and puts a lot of pressure on Liverpool so they can add more points and shift Liverpool's position at the top of the standings.
Meanwhile, the difference in points between Manchester City and Liverpool is only 1 point and if Liverpool cannot add any more points in the next match, then they must be ready to accept and become runners up.
The competition is getting hotter and fiercer towards the top of becoming champion.

[JeffBrad12]

This could perhaps be used as a reason and motivation for the Manchester United team in the FA Cup because it is true as you said that only the FA Cup is possible for Manchester United to win this season.
If you look at the strength of the Nottingham Forest team, it is not that strong and it should not be difficult for Manchester United to win this match.

I doubt if Manchester United will be able to lift the FA Cup this season, I count them out, looking at other teams that are in the competition Liverpool, Manchester city, and Chelsea and the rest of other teams that are way better in performance this season than the United team, likely for them they may end up being able to reach the semi-final stage of the competition.

There are many candidates in the FA cup. Im doubting MU can win this title. It was always facing the bad result when mu got liverpool as its opponent. United will have city as its next opponent and i expect that there will be something to happen soon. It's a non sense to favor MU to be a winner this season.
City and newcastle have won the previous games against mediocre club. Haaland itself created 5 goals alone against luton. How can manchester united beat this monster? Statistically, manchester city is far above any clubs in the FA club now. I would rather than pick city over MU to be a winner.

We still have chelsea, liverpool and brighton that will be winning against their opponents. Considering so many strong clubs were able beating their opponents made me believe that if MU has a very hard way to get FA cup this season.

MU is gonna face notthm forest which will not be a difficult opponent for manchester united. The main problem since nottingham may be playing use the defensive strategy and it will make MU struggle to beat it.
Im trying to trust this club but the defensive line and goal keeper have made me lost my trust to believe in united.

There are still many monsters competing with MU in FA cup. The chance is pretty small to win FA cup this time.

[Velvet78]

I have hopes for Man United in this match and I think the match will end in favor of the visitors. Even though they experienced instability and in the Premier League, Nottingham Forest managed to beat Man United, this does not mean that in the FA competition they will allow them to lose again. Only this championship has a chance for Man United and I am sure Erik Ten Hak will try everything to get victory. The previous defeat when playing at Old Trafford was very surprising because Man Unied was in a positive trend.

Nottingham Forest is also not very consistent and even though the match will take place at their home ground the chances are still the same. If Man United does not try to chase champions in this competition, then this season Man United could lose all the opportunities that exist because chasing other competitions will no longer be possible for Man United.

If you have noticed Manchester United's odds for the win are increasing in time. It has reached 2.30 now. This must be because of having so many missing players before this game. There are even two more questionable players such as Bruno Fernandes and Varane. There is a long list of injuries at Manchester United side right now which is a really big problem.  

Nottingham beat Manchester United by 2-1 home before and this game is also going to be played there. There were players like Fernandes, Wan-Bissaka and Varane playing back then who are likely to be out of the squad today. I won't place any bet on the Red Devils to win today as a result. It is likely to be very tough for them.

[Marvell1]

I have hopes for Man United in this match and I think the match will end in favor of the visitors. Even though they experienced instability and in the Premier League, Nottingham Forest managed to beat Man United, this does not mean that in the FA competition they will allow them to lose again. Only this championship has a chance for Man United and I am sure Erik Ten Hak will try everything to get victory. The previous defeat when playing at Old Trafford was very surprising because Man Unied was in a positive trend.

Nottingham Forest is also not very consistent and even though the match will take place at their home ground the chances are still the same. If Man United does not try to chase champions in this competition, then this season Man United could lose all the opportunities that exist because chasing other competitions will no longer be possible for Man United.

FA Cup become the only one opportunity left for Manchester United winning the trophy after gap many points in Premier League and I don't sure Erik ten Hag have enough compete to make miracle for domestic league winner. In Fa Cup 5th round, Manchester United has away match for facing Nottingham Forest, Erik ten Hag have to forget last match losses against Fulham and keep trying to win the left opportunity for getting trophy in this season.
Nottingham Forest performance still not consistent yet after losing last match in Premier League against Aston Villa and other side their position standings in domestic league left fewest points with relegation zone and likely FA Cup match against Manchester United will use their second players composition.

I would say Nottingham Forest are not a strong team. It is a relatively weak  opponent. Nottingham Forest's position in the Premier League points table is 17th. The team is very close to the relegation zone. So it can be said that Nottingham Forest is far behind Manchester United.

Nottingham Forest's performance against  Bristol City in the previous FA Cup  match was not good either. They were very lucky to qualify  for the fifth round. Nottingham Forest drew both matches against Bristol.

However, while Nottingham Forest's players have failed to play consistently  well, the team has occasionally  produced excellent performances. A few  days ago we saw Nottingham Forest win 2-0 against West Ham. Moreover, Nottingham won 2-1 in the previous match against Manchester United. So if Manchester United wants to win, they must perform very carefully.

[piebeyb]

But what you have to remember, this is a Manchester derby match which has quite high tension, so I don't think that this match will be easy for Manchester City and the percentage of surprises will also be quite large because of the high tension of the match.
This is a match full of prestige for both teams, thus I think the match will be quite fierce and no goal is too much for a team

I think in this derby match we probably all know that the strength capacity of both Manchester City seems to be superior, therefore Manchester City will win this match in the race for the EPL title this season, if they experience a defeat or a draw it will definitely be detrimental to them. , previously Manchester City was held to a draw by Chelsea and I think against Manchester United, City will not get the same result, Manchester City should be able to get the full three points from this match.

Even though it is possible that both clubs will play with high tension, it seems like Manchester City knows how to overcome Manchester United and win this match, at least a narrow win is more than enough for Manchester City to get the full three points because it is very important in maintaining the point difference with Liverpool. which currently only has a difference of one point with Manchester City, of course Manchester City must be able to show their best game to be able to win the EPL title this season and get rid of Liverpool.

[bitLeap]

Manchester City will of course be very favourites, in terms of strength they are stronger than Manchester United this season and Manchester City will also be playing at home. Of course they have much greater motivation to win the match, especially now that Manchester City is competing for the title. PL so indeed Manchester City cannot lose 3 points in every match.

But what you have to remember, this is a Manchester derby match which has quite high tension, so I don't think that this match will be easy for Manchester City and the percentage of surprises will also be quite large because of the high tension of the match.
This is a match full of prestige for both teams, thus I think the match will be quite fierce and no goal is too much for a team

For that reason, I will not risk betting on Man United. because it is true that in every aspect the strengths of the two seem clearly different. Erik Ten Hag has not been able to solve Pep Guardiola strategy on the field. This situation is also supported by several Man United players such as Hojlund who are confirmed to be absent. Rashford is no longer the player we know, he is getting duller under Erik Ten Hag. The build up that Ten Hag always implements is monotonous and none of it is effective. Onana, as usual against Man City, will be very stressed, the attacks built by Pep Guardiola certainly have a level of sharpness that is difficult to stop. Kevin de Bruyne in onfire mode made Man City's victory above all else.

[Plaguedeath]

But because in this week's match Man City is the host, I think there is no doubt that Man City will win. It's just that what we need to think about now is how many goals will be scored in this match.

I guess at least goals will be scored by Manchester City because Manchester United will play without a goalkeeper (read: Onana).

If you have noticed Manchester United's odds for the win are increasing in time. It has reached 2.30 now. This must be because of having so many missing players before this game. There are even two more questionable players such as Bruno Fernandes and Varane. There is a long list of injuries at Manchester United side right now which is a really big problem. 

Nottingham beat Manchester United by 2-1 home before and this game is also going to be played there. There were players like Fernandes, Wan-Bissaka and Varane playing back then who are likely to be out of the squad today. I won't place any bet on the Red Devils to win today as a result. It is likely to be very tough for them.

Although Manchester United is in doubtful positions, but we shouldn't forget Nottingham Forrest is nothing in Premier League, they only won 6 matches so far. This is an elimination match, so Manchester United has a big pressure to win in this match, if not it's shameful and many people will mock them.

[Nheer]

The FA-CUP game will give Manchester City a lot of motivation for the Premier League. They have to play Manchester United this Sunday.

This match is very important for Manchester City, even though they are the favorites, especially Manchester United in the last few meetings have always had difficulty beating City and also United are in doubt again after previously showing good progress because their young striker consistently scored goals but now is currently suffering from an injury, but United is still cannot be underestimated because United is targeting to get into the top four so resistance from United will be troublesome for City, and despite City big win over Luton's in the FA Cup, City in the English Premier League is actually in not very good condition as Haaland hasn't scored in the last three games, and City only scored three goals in the last three matches, so there are indeed things that are different for City when they play in the FA Cup and in the English Premier League, and my prediction is that United has a chance of getting 1 point in this match.

Manchester United will be an easy challenge for Manchester City on Sunday because, for the past years, Manchester United has been finding it hard to win against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium. If Manchester United perform the way they did against Fulham at Old Trafford, the job will be so easy for Manchester City. 

I don’t think it will be an easy game for Manchester City because in recent games Manchester United seem to have improved recently in their game play and now that Hojlund seems to have found himself in the league now is something to worry about so Manchester City cannot lose guard in this game. It is a derby match so we can’t expect it to be easy even if Manchester City ends up winning i believe it will be a very tough match as usual.

Now that Haaland and Hojlund have now found form It will be very interesting to see the two of them battle it out to prove who is better among themselves. It’s obvious that Hojlund can do more with the ball at his feet than Haaland but Haaland is more clinical in my opinion and with De Bruyne and Manchester City team Haaland has more advantage to win the battle and score more goals in the match than Hojlund. I love them both and will love to see the two of them on the scoresheet.

[QueenVera]

It is true that in the last few seasons there was relatively fierce competition for the Premier League title, but if we look at last season specifically, it felt as if seemed to be more fierce than it actually was. Manchester City makes the impression that they have reserves in the tank which they can dip into if necessary. Arsenal didn't have those reserves and started to tumble towards the end of the season whereas Manchester City just had a winning streak and put the nail in the coffin. Only then did they tie and lose one game at the end because they knew they can afford it.

This leads me to the question which team has the most reserves that they can activate if necessary? Arsenal this time? I feel they are not that well equipped with reserves. Liverpool has reserves because they are playing without so many superstars at the moment and they are all coming back. And Manchester City always have reserves. It is as if it's part of their nature as a team. Just look at Haaland and how the timing is for him to get into peak shape. It look as if they are just getting started.

Well, football gets interesting when the competition between the teams in the league thrives and is always at top level. One league that hasn’t failed to beat any of that expectations is the English Premier League. This league happens to be one very great league that the competition in the league is making us consider these clubs as real top. The competition in this league is usually fierce that you can’t easily decide the league winner so early till maybe around 3-5 Gameweeks to go.

 Last season we saw one very big dramatic turnaround in the form for Manchester City who were able to overcome Arsenal who held on to top of the league for a very long time pnly to fall off at some point due to inhury crisis. Well this kind of situation tells you that the league isn’t a joke as you can even see how different the clubs from these league plays when they participate in Europe. Well this season, we’re having a 3 horse race and it’s seeming like none is ready to give up or slow down anytime soon. We just have about 1-3 points separating these 3 clubs and they’re all having similar goal differences.

 For me, I think I’ll be rooting for Liverpool to win this league even if not fir anything but to help end the full dominance of pep’s Manchester City. Pep is really a genius and you can see how he’s team has been performing since they got all their players back to the team and you can even see a very strong reserve bench for this team. The power and determination of this Manchester City team is a scare to Arsenal who might not be able to hold on for long. For Liverpool, I think with most of her star players out, they still have a chance if these current boys can be able to hold on and maintain the victories till the stars are back. I have high hopes on Liverpool and will sure be banking on them to give Jurgen the best farewell.