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Author Topic: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Merge Mine w/BTC! - Update NOW to qt 0.11.5  (Read 1047007 times)
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April 16, 2016, 04:05:59 PM
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What is that TOR stuff?

The Onion Router Project https://www.torproject.org/

Privacy Security Anonymity Connectivity Circumvention for UNO

download https://www.torproject.org/download/download-easy.html

Change your Unobtanium.conf to use TOR

upnp=0
listen=0
discover=0
port=563
proxy=127.0.0.1:9150
onion=127.0.0.1:9150
maxconnections=8
addnode=unokgk4jcgtuxjhc.onion:563
addnode=unokg42pnqe52u6g.onion:563

Then start UNO About Console Peers connections are now seen to addnode=unokgk4jcgtuxjhc.onion:563  and  addnode=unokg42pnqe52u6g.onion:563

TOR hidden service UNO with all other IP connections going through TOR exit nodes

Privacy Security Anonymity Connectivity Circumvention for UNO
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April 16, 2016, 04:12:47 PM
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What is that TOR stuff?

The Onion Router Project https://www.torproject.org/

Privacy Security Anonymity Connectivity Circumvention for UNO

download https://www.torproject.org/download/download-easy.html

Change your Unobtanium.conf to use TOR

upnp=0
listen=0
discover=0
port=563
proxy=127.0.0.1:9150
onion=127.0.0.1:9150
maxconnections=8
addnode=unokgk4jcgtuxjhc.onion:563
addnode=unokg42pnqe52u6g.onion:563

Then start UNO About Console Peers connections are now seen to addnode=unokgk4jcgtuxjhc.onion:563  and  addnode=unokg42pnqe52u6g.onion:563

TOR hidden service UNO with all other IP connections going through TOR exit nodes

Privacy Security Anonymity Connectivity Circumvention for UNO

After this can I put my iPhone in the microwave to make the battery last longer?
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April 16, 2016, 04:34:16 PM
Last edit: April 16, 2016, 04:59:09 PM by BlueMan.
 #12483

What is that TOR stuff?

The Onion Router Project https://www.torproject.org/

Privacy Security Anonymity Connectivity Circumvention for UNO

download https://www.torproject.org/download/download-easy.html

Change your Unobtanium.conf to use TOR

upnp=0
listen=0
discover=0
port=563
proxy=127.0.0.1:9150
onion=127.0.0.1:9150
maxconnections=8
addnode=unokgk4jcgtuxjhc.onion:563
addnode=unokg42pnqe52u6g.onion:563



Then start UNO About Console Peers connections are now seen to addnode=unokgk4jcgtuxjhc.onion:563  and  addnode=unokg42pnqe52u6g.onion:563

TOR hidden service UNO with all other IP connections going through TOR exit nodes

Privacy Security Anonymity Connectivity Circumvention for UNO


Is it the same if we use VPN or just go to the next starbucks coffee Huh Grin   ..... Oooo I see now its a free vpn. That is a good idea if one need privacy.

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April 16, 2016, 04:50:46 PM
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Is it the same if we use VPN or just go to the next starbucks coffee Huh

We can use TOR through a VPN and still run UNO through TOR at a starbucks

Although we have never frequented a starbucks establishment
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April 16, 2016, 05:01:20 PM
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I will try this. Thanks Bro!

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April 16, 2016, 05:15:02 PM
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Unobtanium.conf TOR

upnp=0
listen=0
discover=0
daemon=1
server=1
port=563
proxy=127.0.0.1:9050
onion=127.0.0.1:9050
rpcport=65535
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
rpcuser=some_random_rpc_user
rpcpassword=some_random_rpc_password
maxconnections=8
addnode=unokgk4jcgtuxjhc.onion:563
addnode=unokg42pnqe52u6g.onion:563

more addnode = IP here


TOR Browser TBB Bundle proxy=127.0.0.1:9150  and  onion=127.0.0.1:9150

Using port (forward) 563 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/ReducedExitPolicy
Welcome, BAndaNuk3S. So you are running permanent UNO nodes over TOR??  That's awesome!

I'm going to try this today.

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April 16, 2016, 05:28:54 PM
Last edit: April 16, 2016, 06:07:04 PM by BitcoinNational
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@BAndaNuk3S

well thank YOUUUU!

@ http://www.reddit.com/r/dalian/

why not ... just for laughs UNO can lead dozens of pissed off crypto communities to offer bounties to:

-post wanted posters
-offer reward for iphone pics of said fugitive
-bonus rewards for video confrontations ... etc.

@Cryptolicious
you are the only one who said 'Hit'
we aim more for annoy and deport Wink

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April 16, 2016, 05:54:09 PM
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Just for the record, I support bringing BigVern to legal justice, but not putting a hit on him.
That could possibly lose some important passwords. Oh, and its morally wrong.

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April 16, 2016, 06:01:50 PM
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Welcome, BAndaNuk3S. So you are running permanent UNO nodes over TOR??  That's awesome!

I'm going to try this today.

@ BlueMan.

welcome https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html#IsTorLikeAVPN

@FallingKnife

few things on the internet are truly permanent though for now those TOR nodes are running properly

will try to provide a notification if they go offline

choose port 563 # NNTP over SSL instead of 65534 as this port is not in most TOR exit policies

@BitcoinNational

thank you
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April 16, 2016, 06:05:14 PM
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I'm running a couple of nodes for UNO over at AWS. If I can get this to work, maybe I can join you. I don't think my nodes bring too much unique benefit to the UNO network right now, but it might if I join you on TOR. Thanks for pointing the way for us.

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watch request Novaexchange http://novaexchange.com/ for UNO? new beta seems OK
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April 16, 2016, 09:23:54 PM
Last edit: April 17, 2016, 12:00:20 AM by FallingKnife
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watch request Novaexchange http://novaexchange.com/ for UNO? new beta seems OK
I dont know, man. If they added UNO, I wouldn't trade UNO there. They are too new, unknown, and don't bring any new markets.  We have enough trading to do in the 7 markets UNO already has. If they brought something new,  I'd consider it.  

I guess they do have a ARI base market, but we can trade UNO/ARI on Cryptopia already. There is still a lot untapped potential at Cryptopia's UNO base markets and in C-Cex's USD market

In 3 years UNO has seen a lot of exchanges come and go: Coinex, MintPal, Cryptsy.  And we have 2 scammer markets still open today (coins-e and coinbroker.io)...this community doesn't just leap into any new exchange these days. We want long term partners

Bring Nuclearcoin to Cryptopia and lets trade it against Uno.

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April 16, 2016, 10:19:38 PM
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watch request Novaexchange http://novaexchange.com/ for UNO? new beta seems OK
I dont know, man. If they added UNO, I wouldn't trade UNO there. They are too new, unknown, and don't bring any new markets.  We have enough trading to do in the 7 markets UNO already has. If they brought something new,  I'd consider it.  

I guess they do have a ARI base market, but we can trade UNO/ARI on Cryptopia already. There is still a lot untapped potential at Cryptopia's UNO base markets and in C-Cex's USD market

In 3 years UNO has seen a lot of exchanges come and go: Coinex, MintPal, Cryptsy.  And we have 2 scammer markets still open today (coins-e and coinbroker.io)...we don't just leap onto any new exchange these days.

Bring Nuclearcoin to Cryptopia and lets trade it against Uno.


On another note, exchanges can add coins all day if the coin is open source. It's nice when an exchange asks us first... But even if we say no, the exchange can pretty much do whatever they want.
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April 17, 2016, 04:01:29 AM
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watch request Novaexchange http://novaexchange.com/ for UNO? new beta seems OK
I dont know, man. If they added UNO, I wouldn't trade UNO there. They are too new, unknown, and don't bring any new markets.  We have enough trading to do in the 7 markets UNO already has. If they brought something new,  I'd consider it.  

I guess they do have a ARI base market, but we can trade UNO/ARI on Cryptopia already. There is still a lot untapped potential at Cryptopia's UNO base markets and in C-Cex's USD market

In 3 years UNO has seen a lot of exchanges come and go: Coinex, MintPal, Cryptsy.  And we have 2 scammer markets still open today (coins-e and coinbroker.io)...we don't just leap onto any new exchange these days.

Bring Nuclearcoin to Cryptopia and lets trade it against Uno.


On another note, exchanges can add coins all day if the coin is open source. It's nice when an exchange asks us first... But even if we say no, the exchange can pretty much do whatever they want.

You're right Jim. Thats the beauty & curse of open source.

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April 17, 2016, 05:00:31 AM
Last edit: April 17, 2016, 06:32:53 PM by BitcoinNational
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Novaexchange has a nice upstart catalog. IMO.
Two UNO/ARI markets would have some interesting properties.
Getting NUC on cryptopia would be a great move too.

I am a strong supporter of having UN on dozens of exchanges.
It limits risk by allowing coins on deposit to be spread to many instead of few.

That said, the next exchange UNO community actively seeks would be a high profile listing with access to fiat markets.    

Yes it is open source, so UNO has no say in not being listed.  But I think the community will always strive to trade on exchanges with proven reputations, and be quick to alert if services sour.  

"There is still a lot untapped potential at Cryptopia's UNO base markets and in C-Cex's USD market."

bump

In the short term .. it is best to work with what we already have .. see what happens ... and I think we might already have the elements of rocket fuel.    


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Last edit: April 17, 2016, 04:22:19 PM by FallingKnife
 #12496

Went out to look at Safecex UNO market and saw this message. If you have coins there, it would be good to pull them out until their server situation settles. For record, I captured the SafeCEX book.
Looks like .178 Btc will buy it all.

I hope they fix their problems and return stronger.   This pretty much leaves us without an instant exchange for the moment, with Shapeshift.io down.



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F.K: It only lists as far as 50 orders, there are asks above 0.0075.

If anyone withdraws from there; visit crypto.id, find your transaction & investigate the address that your withdrawal came from. Then see if there's a clickable link associating it with a wallet & post it here. That may help us to track the SafeCex wallet going forward. I would do it but I don't think I have any UNO there.

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@NatMcCoy
word. trace the withdraws just in case.

@Safecex
reach out to us.  if you need to roll back to beta mode, no worries.  like the concept thus far.

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April 17, 2016, 11:24:35 PM
Last edit: April 18, 2016, 12:11:15 AM by FallingKnife
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@NatMcCoy
word. trace the withdraws just in case.

@Safecex
reach out to us.  if you need to roll back to beta mode, no worries.  like the concept thus far.

@eThought
feel free to speak your mind.  we are appreciative in these parts.

Thanks for discovering the new UNO faucent, Mr. Legendary. I added it to the OP. Current UNO faucets:

http://cryptap.us/uno/faucet
http://uno.bleufaucet.com/
http://explorer.coinpayments.net/faucet.php?chain=19

Safecex --  I LOVE the anonymous instant exchange. Come back soon. You too, Shapeshift.io. Miss you.

Did I miss a eThought post?? Those are some of my favorites.  I am on https://www.coinexchange.io/market/UNO/BTC because what it brings to UNO that's new is a an exchange operated by a long time trusted community member, who I want to support.  I did not see a post from him tho.

My God, look at all of the service provider & exchange partners that UNO has had over the years. They come, they go. UNO is the constant. We are here nearly 3 years after launch. We will be here in 2019, 6 years after launch.  If you are building something, include UNO.  We are stable. We are here. We are small, strange and unusual but we are fucking tough and long term. Build with us.



I am UNO. We are UNO.  We love many cryptocurrencies, but none more than than UNO. This is the base coin we return to and keep alive while others momentarily thrive then die. As cryptocurrency investors/enthusiasts/hackers/hobbiests, we coalesce around UNO. This is where we make our stand.

Add UNO to your project. exchange. service.
It may not be the top coin in market value, but it is here long term. It may momentarily pale to other cryptos, but you know UNO will be here long term.  It is a recognizable constant brand in cryptocurrency.
There is room in this world of 7.21 billion people for one rare/fair/low inflation cryptocurrency.  UNO is it.
We have doged many bullets, and will dodge many more.  

We are Unobtanium. 
We are not Bitcoin, Ether, Litecoin, Dogecoin, or Lucky7Coin.  We are something else.

Bring it home to $UNO
[Most important/interesting post of 2014,   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527500.msg8877122;topicseen#msg8877122 ]

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trade the market but the coin you take home is UNO

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Jeff Garzik: Sidechains a Better Bitcoin Scaling Solution Than Lightning Network
http://coinjournal.net/jeff-garzik-sidechains-better-bitcoin-scaling-solution-lightning-network/

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“It might be a sidechain that is a far, far better solution than [the Lightning Network].”
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“The economics are still very, very open to question — whether you’re going to want to commit BTC simply to have access to instant payments . . . not everyone can even afford that.”
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“I think that [sidechains are] a better solution, but all the things I just said about Lightning apply to sidechains as well. It’s an immature, unknown technology that hasn’t been rolled out into production, so you don’t want to bet the universe on one particular direction — even the direction I think is the best.”

Garzik = http://bloq.com/


IMO unobtanium is a working time tested bitcoin side chain. (i know technically not a side chain but merge mine tech) Wink
IMO ... in time ... uno can market itself as a bitcoin side chain.
IMO ... no one outside of the realm of devs/programmers cares about the formal technically definition ... to the general public bitcoin side chains would be the ledgers attached to the bitcoin network (aka MM).

My understanding of The Lightning NetworkTM:
-6 of the biggest baddest exchanges
-big money & suits & lawyers
-cartel (but don't tell anyone)
-everyone will use it because we called it The Lightning NetworkTM
-now deposit all your BTC on a Cartel Exchange so you can send Lightning fast!

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Here’s the Sidechains insight
The key idea behind the sidechains concept is:
    What if you could send Bitcoins not only to individuals, addresses and centralized services but to other blockchains? https://gendal.me/2014/10/26/a-simple-explanation-of-bitcoin-sidechains/

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The sidechains ideas is this:

    Send your Bitcoins to a specially formed Bitcoin address. The address is specially designed so that the coins will now be out of your control… and out of the control of anybody else either. They’re completely immobilized and can only be unlocked if somebody can prove they’re no longer being used elsewhere (I’ll explain what I mean by this in a minute).   In other words, you’ve used the core bitcoin transaction rules I described above to lay down a specific condition that the future owner – whoever it ends up being – needs to fulfil in order to take control
    Once this immobilisation transaction is sufficiently confirmed, you send a message to the other blockchain – the one you were wanting to use. This message contains a proof that the coins were sent to that special address on the Bitcoin network, that they are therefore now immobilized and, crucially, that you were the one who did it
    If the second blockchain has agreed to be a Bitcoin sidechain, it now does something really special… it creates the exact same number of tokens on its own network and gives you control of them.
    So it’s as if your Bitcoins have been transferred to this second chain. And remember: they’re immobilized on the Bitcoin network… so we haven’t created or destroyed any…. Just “moved” them.
    You can now transact with those coins on that second chain, under whatever rules that chain chooses to implement.
    Perhaps blocks are created faster on that sidechain. Perhaps transaction scripts are “turing complete”. Perhaps you have to pay fees to incent those securing that sidechain. Who knows. The rules can be whatever those running that sidechain want them to be. The only rule that matters is that the sidechain agrees to follow the convention that if you can prove you put some Bitcoins out of reach on the Bitcoin network, the same number will pop into existence on the sidechain.
    And now for the second clever part. The logic above is symmetric. So, at any point, whoever is holding these coins on the sidechain can send them back to the Bitcoin network by creating a special transaction on the sidechain that immobilises the bitcoins on the sidechain. They’ll disappear from the sidechain and become available again on the Bitcoin network, under the control of whoever last owned them on the sidechain.

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Drivechain - The Simple Two Way Peg
    With sidechains, altcoins are obsolete, Bitcoin smart contracts are possible, Bitcoin Core and BitcoinXT can coexist, and all hard forks can become soft forks. Cool upgrades to Bitcoin are on the way!
http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/drivechain/

"With sidechains, altcoins are obsolete" ... oh i get it now ... all this fancy complicated confusing talk about some vaporware drivechain sidechain Lightning network ... boils down to jealousy and greed ... BTC Maximilst.

UNO can be a sidechain, in fact any alt can be a sidechain.  And it is less about code wizardry, and more classical escrow/trustee business.  The solution is so simple even i can figure this one out Smiley

Imagine thus:

-there is this company call "UNO'r'us"
-you send them 1 bitcoin and they send you 100kg of UNO
-now you can send TX faster and cheaper than BTC ... great! ... but what about my precious bitcoin??
-well part of the deal is proving you are you ... simple signature
-the other part of the deal is if you (and only you) send "UNO'r'us" 100kg of UNO then you will get 1 bitcoin in return

Is this so complex?
Yes.  Still not a perfectly pegged product because a 3rd party will not honor the value.
So with some blockchain tech tracking "UNO'r'us" would pay anyone 1 bitcoin for the original 100kg UN.

Is this practical?
No.  But very possible that "UNO'r'us" could write a specialized wallet client.  It streamlines a chain within a chain to make it user friendly.  "UNO'r'us" sets a daily peg rate so it is not fixed and can adjust to the approximate freemarket.  

And in reality?  
People want simple.  And a less cartel like version of the The Lightning Network is already in use.  Any exchange and online wallet company can move value off chain, and it is just a matter of public adoption and inter-exchange co-op.  But that is still just trusting someone else with your bitcoin/privkey.

Another version of "UNO'r'us" ...
Very easy, Very practical.  You send 1 bitcoin "UNO'r'us" and they send you say 80% that value in kg uno.  So you have and hold a digital asset, i think that is called collateral?  Now "UNO'r'us" runs a niffy online wallet service an you have 1 bitcoin of 'credit' and can send just as fast as the internet carries bits and you would pay "BoB's Bacon Shop" not some confusing bitcoin address.  If "UNO'r'us" goes BigVern on you then you have their UNOs to sell and get back some/all/more of your bitcoin (freemarket).  If you decide to screw "UNO'r'us" well they can sell your BTC and buy more UNOs.  If both are good and trustworthy the deal can be reversed by just sending the coins back.  


TLDR;
i am ranting about "sidechains" jargon.  UNO ought just claim to be a sidechain of BTC.  Because ETH, LTC, NXT, LISK, and all the other majors are going to use the term "sidechains" as part of their ecosystem.  

update:
Greg Maxwell: Lightning Network Better Than Sidechains for Scaling Bitcoin
Garzik : No.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/greg-maxwell-lightning-network-better-than-sidechains-for-scaling-bitcoin-1461077424

“Our greatest motivation for the sidechain concept in Bitcoin was being able to better satisfy mutually exclusive objectives for the system. However, sidechains by themselves do not fundamentally change the scaling limitations of a global broadcast system, though they should provide security partitioning if an experimental chain should fail.”

Tuur Demeester: Veteran Dev. John Ratcliff on scalability: "Since LN is merely a mechanism for exchanging signed contracts, this means you can exchange contracts across multiple sidechains. Sidechains + LN to hyperlink them together is the killer scaling combination!"
 

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