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[btcltcdigger]

I mean, if someone wants to gamble, they will gamble. There are hundreds of ways to bypass any possible security, ip or otherwise which casino might implement.
And be sure that an addict will find a way, be it VPN's or fake KYC, etc...

And there's always those rigged casinos with no limitations, where you're 100% sure to lose

[iv4n]

I mean, if someone wants to gamble, they will gamble. There are hundreds of ways to bypass any possible security, ip or otherwise which casino might implement.
And be sure that an addict will find a way, be it VPN's or fake KYC, etc...

And there's always those rigged casinos with no limitations, where you're 100% sure to lose

Those who wants/wishes will find a way. It doesn't matter if the goal is something beautiful & good, or it's totally opposite... There is everything and anything, and if there is one thing we can say with 101% certainty, it is that nothing is certain. Even the biggest ones can fall, there are zillion small ones that are trying to find their way to the glory... In the end, or is it the beginning, everyone writes their own story.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

If I understand what you guys are discussing about correctly, I would say it's definitely better to lock up an addicted gambler physically, lock him up in a single room with a very small window, and take away every gadget from him, no phone, no radio, no nothing, just him and his mind to wander and think 🤔

Leave him there for like a month or two, I believe that by the time he comes out, he must have had a brain that has ressetted itself.

you are sick dude. seriously, wtf is wrong with you? you are literally suggesting torturing someone to cure him from addiction.

that's not how you help an addict, you are just turning him from a gambling addict into a mentally ill person.
in any place that care about human rights, if you do this to someone (whether they consent to it or not) you are going to fucking jail.

😂😂, man, I understand you perfectly well, but you also have to understand that being addiction to gambling is also another torture on its own, and you understand that saying that tough situations call for tough solutions, so, in a situation where someone is addicted to gambling and every thing has been done to get him out of it but it's working, I guess this is a better solution for any one to try, and there is no way this one won't work 😅

But on a more serious note though, I wasn't serious please, I was only joking, I mean, instead of taking such action against an addict, it's sure better to take him or her to a rehabilitation center where trained professionals know how best to handle the addict.

I guess we are cool now, right? 😁😁

[Rruchi man]

😂😂, man, I understand you perfectly well, but you also have to understand that being addiction to gambling is also another torture on its own, and you understand that saying that tough situations call for tough solutions, so, in a situation where someone is addicted to gambling and every thing has been done to get him out of it but it's working, I guess this is a better solution for any one to try, and there is no way this one won't work 😅

But on a more serious note though, I wasn't serious please, I was only joking, I mean, instead of taking such action against an addict, it's sure better to take him or her to a rehabilitation center where trained professionals know how best to handle the addict.

I guess we are cool now, right? 😁😁

Even as a joke, some kinds of statements should not really be made. Even animals do not deserve to be under lock and key for a month or two, talk less of a human.

I guess this is a better solution for any one to try, and there is no way this one won't work 😅

It is not a solution to consider because it will not work; it will only cause more damage to the person.

[philipma1957]

If I understand what you guys are discussing about correctly, I would say it's definitely better to lock up an addicted gambler physically, lock him up in a single room with a very small window, and take away every gadget from him, no phone, no radio, no nothing, just him and his mind to wander and think 🤔

Leave him there for like a month or two, I believe that by the time he comes out, he must have had a brain that has ressetted itself.

Locking his money won't be effective because doing this may drive him to go and steal from other people, or borrow, but note that in the absence no one to loan him money, the urge to gamble Immediately immediately may drive him into stealing, and this could land him in jail or possible end his life through jungle justice.

Like, how can you even say this? Since when has addiction become a crime and addicts criminals? They need help, not to be locked up in some room like they are insane.

Don't you know that we are social animals? We need the interactions with other humans around us to remain sane. Living a secluded lifestyle or being locked up in seclusion will only affect one's mental health more.

Instead of locking someone up for addiction, take them to rehab.

yeah ga can help and there are 90 day 180 day programs.

My dad had life long problems with gambling and died pretty much broke.

he never wanted to stop.

he is the reason i am very careful with risking  bets. I take long pauses.

and make very deliberate moves.

[Rruchi man]

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Instead of locking someone up for addiction, take them to rehab.

yeah ga can help and there are 90 day 180 day programs.

My dad had life long problems with gambling and died pretty much broke.

he never wanted to stop.

he is the reason i am very careful with risking  bets. I take long pauses.

and make very deliberate moves.

The children of addicts turn out to be either addicts to the same habits a parent of theirs had because of influence from growing up around such parents, or they take the life of their parents as an example of what they never want to become and become very watchful never to go down that same road.

Individuals who give their excuse that because their parents were gambling addicts, hence they are gambling addicts, I consider immature because they are hiding behind the excuse of being influenced by their parents when actually they had a choice in front of them either to follow down the paths their parents went or to take a life lesson from their parents.

That a parent or a guardian is an addict to a habit, say gambling, should never be a reason to become one.

[liuka]

I'm wondering if there are any statistics on how many users actually use features like time alert and self-exception. I think that users who can control themselves don't need such features. Addicted players, on the other hand, are likely to ignore such features and look for any workaround just to keep playing the slots some more.

It seems that there will be no statistics on how many users use the feature to play more responsibly, because as active gamblers, on average they already know what the risks are and most only register and create an account and make a deposit.

I myself rarely use the feature to adjust to gambling, I only realize that if a gambling platform that I want to create an account for, I will read one condition, namely about KYC or the absence of KYC on the gambling site.
Of course you are right, if gamblers are addicted, they will continue to gamble, even they continue to make deposits. Maybe what is considered is the weekly bonus feature, deposit bonus and daily bonus, the rest of the gamblers have been able to adjust themselves to the risk of losing to play responsibly.

[Taskford]

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Instead of locking someone up for addiction, take them to rehab.

yeah ga can help and there are 90 day 180 day programs.

My dad had life long problems with gambling and died pretty much broke.

he never wanted to stop.

he is the reason i am very careful with risking  bets. I take long pauses.

and make very deliberate moves.

The children of addicts turn out to be either addicts to the same habits a parent of theirs had because of influence from growing up around such parents, or they take the life of their parents as an example of what they never want to become and become very watchful never to go down that same road.

Individuals who give their excuse that because their parents were gambling addicts, hence they are gambling addicts, I consider immature because they are hiding behind the excuse of being influenced by their parents when actually they had a choice in front of them either to follow down the paths their parents went or to take a life lesson from their parents.

That a parent or a guardian is an addict to a habit, say gambling, should never be a reason to become one.

To bad for them if they used that excuse since they have their own lives and they can decide what's best or worse for them. If they choose to follow that path where they see their parents struggle because of addiction then provably the same situation will happen to them.

But if they choose the better side which is to avoid experiencing this situation then provably that their life would became more better compare to what happen to their parents.

That's quiet advantage for us to see how our elders struggle because we already see a snapshot about what's going to happen if we exceed or became greedy on gambling that's why we should choose what's the best and try all our best not to experience addiction.

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[Zadicar]

I mean, if someone wants to gamble, they will gamble. There are hundreds of ways to bypass any possible security, ip or otherwise which casino might implement.
And be sure that an addict will find a way, be it VPN's or fake KYC, etc...

And there's always those rigged casinos with no limitations, where you're 100% sure to lose

If you do comes into a point that any exclusions, bans or restrictions isnt that working for you since you are finding up ways to bypass those, then this do indicates that you are 100% addicted.

When it comes on being rigged then we cant be sure even into those legit platforms do this without being caught or simply we do have that mentality that house do always win in the end.

[philipma1957]

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Instead of locking someone up for addiction, take them to rehab.

yeah ga can help and there are 90 day 180 day programs.

My dad had life long problems with gambling and died pretty much broke.

he never wanted to stop.

he is the reason i am very careful with risking  bets. I take long pauses.

and make very deliberate moves.

The children of addicts turn out to be either addicts to the same habits a parent of theirs had because of influence from growing up around such parents, or they take the life of their parents as an example of what they never want to become and become very watchful never to go down that same road.

Individuals who give their excuse that because their parents were gambling addicts, hence they are gambling addicts, I consider immature because they are hiding behind the excuse of being influenced by their parents when actually they had a choice in front of them either to follow down the paths their parents went or to take a life lesson from their parents.

That a parent or a guardian is an addict to a habit, say gambling, should never be a reason to become one.

To bad for them if they used that excuse since they have their own lives and they can decide what's best or worse for them. If they choose to follow that path where they see their parents struggle because of addiction then provably the same situation will happen to them.

But if they choose the better side which is to avoid experiencing this situation then provably that their life would became more better compare to what happen to their parents.

That's quiet advantage for us to see how our elders struggle because we already see a snapshot about what's going to happen if we exceed or became greedy on gambling that's why we should choose what's the best and try all our best not to experience addiction.

and this is why I am still married to my wife after 40 years as I saw what my dads irresponsibility did to his marriage.

So I do not risk money in excessive matters.

But I do take some risk now and then

[welovebit]

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Instead of locking someone up for addiction, take them to rehab.

yeah ga can help and there are 90 day 180 day programs.

My dad had life long problems with gambling and died pretty much broke.

he never wanted to stop.

he is the reason i am very careful with risking  bets. I take long pauses.

and make very deliberate moves.

The children of addicts turn out to be either addicts to the same habits a parent of theirs had because of influence from growing up around such parents, or they take the life of their parents as an example of what they never want to become and become very watchful never to go down that same road.

Individuals who give their excuse that because their parents were gambling addicts, hence they are gambling addicts, I consider immature because they are hiding behind the excuse of being influenced by their parents when actually they had a choice in front of them either to follow down the paths their parents went or to take a life lesson from their parents.

That a parent or a guardian is an addict to a habit, say gambling, should never be a reason to become one.

To bad for them if they used that excuse since they have their own lives and they can decide what's best or worse for them. If they choose to follow that path where they see their parents struggle because of addiction then provably the same situation will happen to them.

But if they choose the better side which is to avoid experiencing this situation then provably that their life would became more better compare to what happen to their parents.

That's quiet advantage for us to see how our elders struggle because we already see a snapshot about what's going to happen if we exceed or became greedy on gambling that's why we should choose what's the best and try all our best not to experience addiction.

and this is why I am still married to my wife after 40 years as I saw what my dads irresponsibility did to his marriage.

So I do not risk money in excessive matters.

But I do take some risk now and then

Gambling can ruin lives as I also have experience even I am living in society where this is openly not allowed but still many addicted and their families suffer with their addiction.

In developing countries no rehab and things for giving them any motivation you have done good job and keeping things on balance which is never been easy.

[Zwei]

you understand that saying that tough situations call for tough solutions, so, in a situation where someone is addicted to gambling and every thing has been done to get him out of it but it's working, I guess this is a better solution for any one to try, and there is no way this one won't work 😅

nah man, not in situations like these.
if you do everything possible to help someone quit an addiction and nothings work or they don't want help, then he is a lost cause and you let him be.
it's his life after all, if he want to piss it away donating evey cent he has to a casino, who are we to stop him. you don't kidnap and put him in a dungeon "for his own good", no one have the right to that.

But on a more serious note though, I wasn't serious please, I was only joking, I mean, instead of taking such action against an addict, it's sure better to take him or her to a rehabilitation center where trained professionals know how best to handle the addict.

i don't have a problem with dark humor, but man, you gotta make it clear you are joking when you say stuff like that.
but hey, i'm glad we agree on the last part.

I guess we are cool now, right? 😁😁

we are cool for now! hehehe.

[blockman]

Gambling can ruin lives as I also have experience even I am living in society where this is openly not allowed but still many addicted and their families suffer with their addiction.

In developing countries no rehab and things for giving them any motivation you have done good job and keeping things on balance which is never been easy.

There are rehabs in my country, we're a developing nation but many don't want to get admitted on it because it costs them money. And thinking about the expense and cost of the rehab, they might just use the money for other important things. But guess what? those very gamblers instead of spending it for the rehab and reasoning for important expenses, they'll just use them back to gambling. That's their motivation and that's why the numbers are expanding and gambling addiction has become prevalent lately after the pandemic.

[Forsyth Jones]

Anyone from brazil knows that, at least for physical casinos, it is prohibited... the government banned in-person casinos to combat addiction, but I think that didn't work, because there is no shortage of online gambling. The poorest people who receive government benefits such as Bolsa Família (family allowance) , "nest egg", etc., are using the benefit to gamble online... The government shouldn't interfere in this type of thing, because it only makes the situation worse.

Summary: no government ban, even if it is for a good cause, can solve the situation; only turning off the internet can.


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Whoever plays dice here, how do you usually play?

[Rruchi man]

In developing countries no rehab ...

This is one major challenge. Addiction is on the increase, and not just gambling, but there are no or barely enough centers to help these individuals. Slowly things will change, I believe, as the awareness concerning its importance increases. There will be government and private sectors that will look to invest in setting up such facilities.

Do you think that due to the lack and absences sometimes of rehabilitation facilities, the level of addiction will be higher in developing countries than in developed countries?

[philipma1957]

In developing countries no rehab ...

This is one major challenge. Addiction is on the increase, and not just gambling, but there are no or barely enough centers to help these individuals. Slowly things will change, I believe, as the awareness concerning its importance increases. There will be government and private sectors that will look to invest in setting up such facilities.

Do you think that due to the lack and absences sometimes of rehabilitation facilities, the level of addiction will be higher in developing countries than in developed countries?

Availability means a lot.  You don’t know you have weaknesses if you don’t find a slot machine or what ever your poison may be.

these day phones make gaming very easy to access. If you don’t have a place to get help from excessive phone gaming its tougher.

[Pmalek]

Yep, I also think that one of the effective ways to cool down a keen gambler would be to prohibit the use of the gambling platform completely. For example, an option that, after some specific time or after a certain amount of money is lost, forcibly unlogged the gambler's account and doesn't allow re-authorization until a certain amount of time has passed.

That's one effective way to stop a player from gambling further on that day using that specific account. In such a scenario, a casino can say we did our part. We made it impossible for you to continue playing from your account by respecting the limits you placed on yourself. The player now has no case against the casino and can't claim that they were still able to play despite set limits. If the player has other accounts on the same casino or accounts on other platforms is an entirely different thing that has nothing to do with responsible gambling.

[notocactus]

That's one effective way to stop a player from gambling further on that day using that specific account. In such a scenario, a casino can say we did our part. We made it impossible for you to continue playing from your account by respecting the limits you placed on yourself. The player now has no case against the casino and can't claim that they were still able to play despite set limits. If the player has other accounts on the same casino or accounts on other platforms is an entirely different thing that has nothing to do with responsible gambling.

It is like 18+ activities and people who join it are already matured and be responsible for their decisions and activities. There are only options for people to customize their device, applications or account settings and self-limit their activities to point of responsible doing something on their side.

I don't know any commercial platforms, devices, and applications that automatically turn off or exit when hitting daily limit that is set up by the producer or programmer.

It is true with trading on centralized exchanges or betting on online gambling sites. There are warnings and reminders but people have to do it responsible by themselves.

[dwyane36]

Yep, I also think that one of the effective ways to cool down a keen gambler would be to prohibit the use of the gambling platform completely. For example, an option that, after some specific time or after a certain amount of money is lost, forcibly unlogged the gambler's account and doesn't allow re-authorization until a certain amount of time has passed.

That's one effective way to stop a player from gambling further on that day using that specific account. In such a scenario, a casino can say we did our part. We made it impossible for you to continue playing from your account by respecting the limits you placed on yourself. The player now has no case against the casino and can't claim that they were still able to play despite set limits. If the player has other accounts on the same casino or accounts on other platforms is an entirely different thing that has nothing to do with responsible gambling.

Of course, this would only be effective if a gambler used one account in one casino. If a gambler, after each limit, moves from one casino to another, such restrictions make no sense.
Well, if a gambler has a few accounts at the same casino, it is shortsighted because it's already multi-accounting. In this case, a gambler risks running into a permanent ban and loss of funds.