The shameful Romanian translation of Bitcoin white paper from Bitcoin.org-FIXED!

[GazetaBitcoin]

I am coming back on this thread to announce that I never forgot about my earlier promise. I worked a lot for the new translation, which I made from scratch. It took a long while because I wanted it to be flawless or as close as possible to perfection. This takes times. A lot.

I also want to thank to NeuroticFish for his tremendous help in realizing the new document. His input was crucial for having a very good new translation and he also helped with adapting the diagrams in Romanian and with proof reading.

As we are speaking, the translation is done. It just needs one more final and thorough check before going to the next step: the attempt to change the actual one with the new one. And I am afraid that this operation may be even more difficult than all the efforts invested so far. I hope I'm wrong about this though... We'll see how things work.

However, the most important part is that the longest work is finished. But maybe the hardest part is ahead. I'll keep you all posted about how things develop.

I also take this occasion to thank to all which encouraged me to realize the new translation. Your words were really a great incentive for me to do this!

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[NeuroticFish]

But maybe the hardest part is ahead.

If you are referring to Git, I think that with a little patience we'll overcome that too.

I am no stranger from Git, but I don't actually have experience either, since I've used it only for project I worked on alone. So the only thing to read/understand is how to properly use pull requests. And I am sure that if we get there and we are in trouble, we'll get our answers here.

So, as I said, just a little more patience and we'll overcome all the obstacles.

[NotATether]

But maybe the hardest part is ahead.

If you are referring to Git, I think that with a little patience we'll overcome that too.

I am no stranger from Git, but I don't actually have experience either, since I've used it only for project I worked on alone. So the only thing to read/understand is how to properly use pull requests. And I am sure that if we get there and we are in trouble, we'll get our answers here.

So, as I said, just a little more patience and we'll overcome all the obstacles.

As someone who makes pull requests this isn't hard at all.

You literally just make a new branch from "master" or "main", go to the Pull Requests section of the repo you're trying to merge and make a new request, select your branch & fork (you may have to make forks visible), and follow Bitcoin developer's guidelines for making a pull request name and description, and developers handle the rest for you.

PS I don't think bitcoin whitepaper is a bible

[GazetaBitcoin]

If you are referring to Git, I think that with a little patience we'll overcome that too.

Uhm... not patience is what I fear the most, but I hope I'm just paranoic now... It's something else I fear, but as a caution I won't mention this public until everything is solved... There is something that may go wrong during this pull request procedure, for not ordinary reasons to say so... but let's hope it's just in my head. Disclosing this fear in public may actually trigger what I fear so I'll keep it inside me until we finish everything...

You literally just make a new branch from "master" or "main", go to the Pull Requests section of the repo you're trying to merge and make a new request, select your branch & fork (you may have to make forks visible), and follow Bitcoin developer's guidelines for making a pull request name and description, and developers handle the rest for you.

Thank you for the guideline, NotATether. Let's hope things will be that simple...

I don't think bitcoin whitepaper is a bible

Actually, it is. And not just "a bible", but "The Bible". Bitcoin's Bible!

[Stalker22]

I don't think bitcoin whitepaper is a bible

Actually, it is. And not just "a bible", but "The Bible". Bitcoin's Bible!

I think Bitcoin whitepaper is a bible for cryptocurrencies and is the most influential document about the blockchain technology ever written. It is the start of the Bitcoin community. Anyone who is seriously looking to understand Bitcoin history and how it is evolving should download and read it.
That is why I agree that it is extremely important that every translation is accurate, relevant and as faithful as possible to the original.

[GazetaBitcoin]

As long as people don't assume everything on Bitcoin whitepaper is practical or relevant today. For example, the whitepaper doesn't predict ASIC which disrupt one-cpu-one-vote idea.

The white paper is part of Bitcoin's history... Who has no past has no future...  We must preserve the historical facts, documents, relics, especially something like the white paper. Otherwise why would there exist history...? Why study it in school? Why care about the past...? Why would historians exist anymore?

Our entire world has a history, many study it and learn it... Bitcoin has also its very own history and the white paper is one of the most important part of this beautiful history. Everything started from this document... Changes occur in time, of course, but this doesn't mean that we should not preserve historical facts.

In the end, this is also a sign of respect for Satoshi's work which - in time - changed the world. Similar to many historical books, which are translated in so many languages, white paper deserves also the same attention and respect. Bitcoin is taught in some schools nowadays... Most likely, the white paper is also a part of what teachers present to students.

[NeuroticFish]

All right. I've made a new issue. I've followed these steps, made my branch and made the pull request.
I hope that I've done everything right.

If anyone can check, it would be helpful. @NotATether ? 
If anyone can add some words to the issue, I don't know, it could also be helpful.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Great job, NeuroticFish! Thank you so much for helping me with this! Your involvement on this matter is... priceless. Let's hope for the best now.

@All other members with experience: I also kindly ask you to let us know if what we did so far is the correct path for fixing the problem of the actual translation. In the GitHub link provided by NeuroticFish you can also find the new translation. Feel free to compare it with the existing one (at least from aestethic point of view) and also take a look at the new translation compared with the original white paper. If you reach the conclusion that the new one dramatically improves the existing one, you are also welcomed to post a comment on GitHub.

Thank you all and let's hope that we will be able to change the actual translation, as a sign of respect for Satoshi, for his work and for his legacy.

[friends1980]

Genius idea, Gazeta, respect for your findings + efforts.

It inspired me to take a look into the Dutch WP, which is respectable but not perfect. Clearly written by a Dutch guy from the Netherlands, which means it's not Standard Dutch - otherwise, I wouldn't be able to recognize his roots .

I'm used to participating in translation bounties, so I could freshen it up to make it sound a little more "standard" and professional.

Did you get into contact with bitcoin.org, and are they willing to publish your version? It would be a shame to spend my time working on this, if there's no real interest in a "better" version.

Cheers!

[GazetaBitcoin]

Genius idea, Gazeta, respect for your findings + efforts.

Thank you! Thank you very much. Yes... it's been a long work, but I really wanted to make sure it's flawless... I am a perfectionist and many times, in order to make a perfect thing you need much time.

It inspired me to take a look into the Dutch WP, which is respectable but not perfect [...]

I could freshen it up to make it sound a little more "standard" and professional.

This is a great idea, so I am congratulating you for your analysis. I wish you good luck in this attempt and also to make sure you have patience; and also to read, re-read, check, double check and triple check the final document prior submitting it. I remember that Little Mouse said earlier in this topic that he noticed the Bengali translation is not good at all and that he intends to re-make it, but I don't know if he started working on it... But anyway, this kind of checks is good for us, as bitcoiners and as people which respect Satoshi's work...

Did you get into contact with bitcoin.org, and are they willing to publish your version? It would be a shame to spend my time working on this, if there's no real interest in a "better" version.

I tried, but I did not find any proper way to contact Cøbra, nor other bitcoin.org operative person, to announce about my intention... So I had to do it using the official procedure, which is also mentioned by other users in this topic: opening a pull request on bitcoin.org, submit the document, explain the differences between the existing translation and the proposed one... And now I am just waiting to see if the pull request will get any attention by anyone. Actually, NeuroticFish realized the pull request procedure (and he also helped me a lot with proof reading and with adapting the diagrams and mathematics formulas in Romanian).

Practically, to answer to your question, if you'll do the new translation... I think you will have to have very, very much... hope that your good intentions will reach their final purpose, as there is no guarantee that the pull request will be taken into consideration...

[Little Mouse]

I remember that Little Mouse said earlier in this topic that he noticed the Bengali translation is not good at all and that he intends to re-make it, but I don't know if he started working on it.

It is on my to do list but due to personal works I have on hand, I can't continue at the moment. But I will certainly look on it soon and translate the necessary part and submit again. There’s one more Bangladeshi who might be interested on this as I saw he is contributing in the forum with some great contents in our local thread. I'm talking about Dtalk. He is doing some good job in the local board so far.

[GazetaBitcoin]

It is on my to do list but due to personal works I have on hand, I can't continue at the moment.

No worries, Little Mouse. I was just wondering if you made any steps forward on this matter, as I was curious what eventual answer you may have received from the bitcoin.org maintainers... so to know what to expect as well... But as you did not have time to work in this direction I guess I'll just have to see how things work with my own eyes

Anyway, at the moment there is nothing to do, just wait for a response from their side. I don't know how much time is usually required... By the way, does anyone have any idea about in how much time a pull request is analyzed by anyone from bitcoin.org? Or in how much time you receive a reply, no matter if a pull request is accepted or not...?

[NeuroticFish]

Follow up:
The good news is that the pull request was taken into consideration.
The not so good (but actually normal) thing is that we need Romanian people confirm that the new translation is good.

@neuro-fishy Thanks for addressing this. And really great job! Can any other Romanian speaker confirm here on GitHub that this version is now indeed accurate?

@Cobra-Bitcoin will then merge.

I made a topic/request on Romanian section of the forum for this, I'll kindly ask Romanian natives even if they may not be so much active on the Romanian subforum to go there for the steps to be done and please help us with a honest review. Although it may mean 15-20 minutes spent, it will be of benefit for Bitcoin, for Romanian community and for you too, since you will have read the Bitcoin white paper 

[IonCreanga]

Hi, I've also read both translations and I have to admit I'm a little ashamed about the first one. Thanks GazetaBitcoin for bringing this into our attention and for acting accordingly to create a better one. I agree that your translation is on a whole other level.


edit:
For those who doesn't know, I am really Romanian
And I very much enjoy Ion Creangă's writings.
Especially this one "Tale of all tales" 

[GazetaBitcoin]

This is really great news, NeuroticFish, and it is really amazing that bitcoin.org's maintainers are checking now the new translation. As a matter of fact, I can see that also Cøbra himself commented to the new proposal, so the new translation got the attention of the most important person of the website.

I am really confident now that things are moving in the right direction and, if this very topic of BitcoinTalk will receive posts confirming the quality of the new translation, then indeed the old one will be replaced eventually. I highly encourage any member to post if they can confirm this and I thank you all in advance for giving a hand of help. It is a matter of respect for Satoshi's work, for a historic document, for Romanian bitcoiners and for our Bitcoin community as a whole.

I also encourage any other forum members I collaborated with in the past regarding various English - Romanian translations, including, but not limited to: LoyceV, 1Miau, fillippone, nullius, Little Mouse, if you can also confirm my work for other translations realized for you, and if you were pleased by my work at large, speaking about translations. Any input of this matter may be of huge help. Thank you also in advance!

Hi, I've also read both translations and I have to admit I'm a little ashamed about the first one. Thanks GazetaBitcoin for bringing this into our attention and for acting accordingly to create a better one. I agree that your translation is on a whole other level.

Thank you so much, IonCreanga! Your feedback is much appreciated!

[LoyceV]

I was asked to respond here, but unfortunately I'm not the best person to ask. I have no reason to doubt GazetaBitcoin's intentions or the quality of his work, but at best I could use Google Translate, which makes my opinion on these translations as useless as anybody else who doesn't speak Romanian.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Thank you LoyceV, any kind of input is much appreciated! Thank you also for not doubting my good intentions, nor the quality of my work. Indeed, it's hard for a non-Romanian native to see the differences, but at least people know I had best intentions for the new proposed translation.

[1miau]

Hi!

I don't speak Romanian, but GazetaBitcoin has translated numerous of my topics into Romanian, here a few examples:

- Evitarea plății unor comisioane BTC prea mari – ghid pas cu pas (Electrum) (Make sure to avoid wasting BTC for too high fees – step by step guide (Electrum))
- [GHID] Cum îți creezi o adresă Bitcoin personalizată (vanitygen) – pas cu pas ([Guide] How to create your customized Bitcoin-Address (vanitygen) – step by step)
- De ce procesul KYC este unul deosebit de periculos – și inutil (Why KYC is extremely dangerous – and useless)
- MLM – o periculoasă strategie de marketing (MLM – a dangerous marketing strategy)
and many more...


In addition, GazetaBitcoin invested a lot of time in sharing the words of Satoshi and of the Cypherpunks inside the forum, with topics like these:

- Bitcoin: The dream of Cypherpunks, libertarians and crypto-anarchists
- Governs are coming for the traders!
- Cryptocurrency vs digital money issued by the state
- The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto - We all should read it
- Governs try to limit access of public to information and freedom since ages
- Phil Zimmermann's thoughts about PGP - We all should read them
- When the govern wants to hold your private keys
- The call for Julian Assange || The WikiLeaks Manifesto - We all should read it
- 12 years later and people still don't know to use Bitcoin nor what it's good for


GazetaBitcoin has achieved a highly trusted reputation and a great history of creating valuable posts which earned him a Legendary rank and almost 1.5k Merits where many were credited from theymos.

I trust GazetaBitcoin as a reliable person and as a professional and experienced translator and can confirm that I've never had any problems at his translations of my topics.
It's great to see GazetaBitcoin and NeuroticFish dedicated to improve the Romanian translation of the original Bitcoin whitepaper.  

[GazetaBitcoin]

I trust GazetaBitcoin as a reliable person and as a professional and experienced translator and can confirm that I've never had any problems at his translations of my topics.
It's great to see GazetaBitcoin and NeuroticFish dedicated to improve the Romanian translation of the original Bitcoin whitepaper. 

Thank you so much, 1miau, for your support! I can not express with words how much I thank you for getting involved on this matter...  May the Great spirit of Cats watch you and thank you again for your kind words. I really tried to make things right and it is a great feeling I have seeing such many reputable forum members supporting my (and NeuroticFish's too) initiative!

[fillippone]

Hello.
I just commented on the PR on Github with my account.
You have translated a few articles into Romanian and I know from there how much dedication you put into your work.

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List of my posts eligible for translation:

• Everything you wanted to know about BTC futures but were afraid to ask!

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• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin: Tot ce voiai să știi despre Bitcoin futures dar îți era teamă să întrebi!

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• Everything you wanted to know about BTC options but were afraid to ask!
• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin:Tot ce voiai să știi despre opțiunile BTC dar îți era teamă să întrebi

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• Stock To Flow Model: Modeling Bitcoin's Value with Scarcity

• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin:Modelul Stoc-Flux: Evaluând Bitcoin Bazat Pe Raritatea Sa

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• Comprare Bitcoin senza KYC: Bitcoin Bancomat a Milano rispettoso della Privacy (from Italian)

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• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin:Cumpără Bitcoin fără KYC: ATM-ul Bitcoin din Milano care respectă anonimitatea

• #meritislife: how to be notified on a smartband of merits and mentions

• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin: #meritulesteviata cum să fii notificat pe Smartband despre merite și menționări

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• Everything you wanted to know about Grayscale BTC Trust but were afraid to ask!
• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin:Tot ce voiai să știi despre trustul BTC Grayscale dar îți era teamă să întrebi!

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• 5 Resources to teach Average Joe about Bitcoin
• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin: 5 modalități de a-l învăța pe omul obișnuit despre Bitcoin

Hope this helps your cause.