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June 28, 2021, 06:47:10 PM
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Just a little update. This pandemic isn't yet stopped by Vaccines. In fact in some countries, many cases were recorded after a year in pandemic and that sucks. Not because we have vaccines already, but because of the incompetencies of its leaders. Many people are still dying like in India and more variants of concerns are emerging.

I am a resident of India, and I have to say that India has managed the situation pretty well. There was a spike due to the Delta variant, but it was contained on time. On the other hand, countries such as Brazil are now reporting death toll even higher than that in India (despite the fact that Brazil is having a population that is 1/7th that of India). Also, here the vaccination rate has picked up after central government took over the task from the state governments. India now has the highest per day vaccination rate in the world.

Im proud of India and its people, although at the beginning of the handling of covid there was chaos, but now it is better.  Compared to my country, which is still trying to vaccinate, the people prefer herd stupidity over herd immunity.  They even think that covid is just a conspiracy and does not exist and is not dangerous.  In fact the case of death is very real.

I don't know but there are still people who believes in such kind of thing, they are continue to resist and not allowing the vaccines due to that kind of suspicions, for them this virus is just conspiracy and nothing but a simple tool to threaten the people, not realizing that there  are many people who already suffered and died because of the spread out of this virus.

Now that another variant which came from India which is travelling now from borders to borders health executive needs to watch this to prevent from spreading, knowing the danger not only to those who doesn't take the vaccine yet but also to those who already have, as they can still be a carrier and risk the life of their love ones.

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June 28, 2021, 07:10:44 PM
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Im proud of India and its people, although at the beginning of the handling of covid there was chaos, but now it is better.  Compared to my country, which is still trying to vaccinate, the people prefer herd stupidity over herd immunity.  They even think that covid is just a conspiracy and does not exist and is not dangerous.  In fact the case of death is very real.

Even in India, there is a lot of propaganda going on against vaccination. I can show you my WhatsApp account, and it is full of spam audio messages which claim that vaccinated people are likely to die soon and they will become impotent. Unfortunately, a lot of people (mostly the illiterate ones) believe that these rumors are true and they refuse to get themselves vaccinated. And forget about India and the other third world nations. Even in developed nations such as the United States you will find large number of people who believe in such rumors.
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June 29, 2021, 01:47:06 PM
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Im proud of India and its people, although at the beginning of the handling of covid there was chaos, but now it is better.  Compared to my country, which is still trying to vaccinate, the people prefer herd stupidity over herd immunity.  They even think that covid is just a conspiracy and does not exist and is not dangerous.  In fact the case of death is very real.

Even in India, there is a lot of propaganda going on against vaccination. I can show you my WhatsApp account, and it is full of spam audio messages which claim that vaccinated people are likely to die soon and they will become impotent. Unfortunately, a lot of people (mostly the illiterate ones) believe that these rumors are true and they refuse to get themselves vaccinated. And forget about India and the other third world nations. Even in developed nations such as the United States you will find large number of people who believe in such rumors.

You can't blame them, the virus is deadly but the vaccine is more deadly if it's not really proven it will prevent someone from getting infected with the virus. Some maybe can tolerate the virus, so they would prefer not to get vaccinated, but if the government will make it a law that everyone should get their vaccine, then there's no excuse for people not to get vaccinated.

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June 29, 2021, 02:32:27 PM
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You can't blame them, the virus is deadly but the vaccine is more deadly if it's not really proven it will prevent someone from getting infected with the virus. Some maybe can tolerate the virus, so they would prefer not to get vaccinated, but if the government will make it a law that everyone should get their vaccine, then there's no excuse for people not to get vaccinated.

I don't blame people who don't want to be vaccinated, but I think that people who spread rumors and fear in the community about vaccines are to be blamed. Regardless of whether you believe in vaccines that can prevent the transmission of the covid 19 virus. People should be calm by reading all the information related to the vaccine that will be injected into them so that the effectiveness of the vaccine given can enter their body, Right now, what I see is that people are scared before the injection and they also have a history of congenital disease, So if the health worker does not work properly and seriously in looking at the history of the disease in the community that he will inject then what will happen is that the side effects of the vaccine aggravate the history of the existing disease.
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June 29, 2021, 03:03:59 PM
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I'm happy because in my city there has never been a lock down because of Covid 19, normal life activities, but in general my country has been effected by Covid 19 and has a big impact, such as no school activities, markets close at 5 pm, and so on.
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June 29, 2021, 04:10:53 PM
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The recent covid-19 pandemic has greatly affected society, economy as well as everyone's life, the pandemic is a crisis that makes everyone difficult, with unpredictable consequences. All in all, I just hope to get over the pandemic and get back to normal.

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June 29, 2021, 04:56:18 PM
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I'm happy because in my city there has never been a lock down because of Covid 19, normal life activities, but in general my country has been effected by Covid 19 and has a big impact, such as no school activities, markets close at 5 pm, and so on.

How this is possible? Are you living in Sweden, where they tried the "herd immunity" approach (and failed in it)? In almost every other country, lockdown was imposed at one time or the other. I don't think that there are any exceptions. In certain countries such as Greece and Australia, I heard that lockdown was imposed for as much as 6 months. And here in India we had lockdown of 7 weeks during the first phase and then for around 1-1.5 months during the second phase (although during the second phase it was the state governments which imposed the lockdown).
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June 29, 2021, 06:18:03 PM
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You can't blame them, the virus is deadly but the vaccine is more deadly if it's not really proven it will prevent someone from getting infected with the virus. Some maybe can tolerate the virus, so they would prefer not to get vaccinated, but if the government will make it a law that everyone should get their vaccine, then there's no excuse for people not to get vaccinated.

I don't blame people who don't want to be vaccinated, but I think that people who spread rumors and fear in the community about vaccines are to be blamed. Regardless of whether you believe in vaccines that can prevent the transmission of the covid 19 virus. People should be calm by reading all the information related to the vaccine that will be injected into them so that the effectiveness of the vaccine given can enter their body, Right now, what I see is that people are scared before the injection and they also have a history of congenital disease, So if the health worker does not work properly and seriously in looking at the history of the disease in the community that he will inject then what will happen is that the side effects of the vaccine aggravate the history of the existing disease.
The problem nowadays is that no one is to be trusted. You have one side claiming vaccines are the solution and the other side saying vaccines cause a lot of side effects and will just turn things worse. Both sides are liars and deceptive, only repeating narratives they are told by others, meanwhile people trying to understand what the facts are become lost in the middle of this war of false or half true narratives.
I think only time will tell if vaccines are really efficient and if side effects are acceptable. By there all informations emerging are nothing more than pure speculation.

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June 29, 2021, 07:22:51 PM
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The problem nowadays is that no one is to be trusted. You have one side claiming vaccines are the solution and the other side saying vaccines cause a lot of side effects and will just turn things worse. Both sides are liars and deceptive, only repeating narratives they are told by others, meanwhile people trying to understand what the facts are become lost in the middle of this war of false or half true narratives.
I think only time will tell if vaccines are really efficient and if side effects are acceptable. By there all informations emerging are nothing more than pure speculation.

No one is denying the fact that these vaccines can cause side effects. I took the Pfizer vaccine a few weeks ago, and I had slight fever for two days. Many of my friends had body pain and high fever after they took the vaccine. And the adverse effects seems to be worse for the younger individuals. But here the question is whether these adverse reactions are serious enough to skip vaccination. IMO, they are not. I would say that getting a high fever is much more preferable than dying from COVID or suffering from permanent lung damage.
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June 29, 2021, 09:44:48 PM
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The problem nowadays is that no one is to be trusted. You have one side claiming vaccines are the solution and the other side saying vaccines cause a lot of side effects and will just turn things worse. Both sides are liars and deceptive, only repeating narratives they are told by others, meanwhile people trying to understand what the facts are become lost in the middle of this war of false or half true narratives.
I think only time will tell if vaccines are really efficient and if side effects are acceptable. By there all informations emerging are nothing more than pure speculation.

No one is denying the fact that these vaccines can cause side effects. I took the Pfizer vaccine a few weeks ago, and I had slight fever for two days. Many of my friends had body pain and high fever after they took the vaccine. And the adverse effects seems to be worse for the younger individuals. But here the question is whether these adverse reactions are serious enough to skip vaccination. IMO, they are not. I would say that getting a high fever is much more preferable than dying from COVID or suffering from permanent lung damage.
But then there is another point: who does guarantee these vaccines are going to prevent people from getting covid and compromising lungs and even dying? I've seen several famous people in my country who were vaccinated twice and still died anyway. That is why I say both sides of the narratives shouldn't be trusted.
Who got vaccinated should still be very careful and not rely on the vaccine to go back to normal life, because we don't really know how useful it is going to be on practice. And the media who sells the false illusion of these vaccines being the solution for covid won't take any responsability for any deaths.

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June 29, 2021, 10:03:49 PM
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The problem nowadays is that no one is to be trusted. You have one side claiming vaccines are the solution and the other side saying vaccines cause a lot of side effects and will just turn things worse. Both sides are liars and deceptive, only repeating narratives they are told by others, meanwhile people trying to understand what the facts are become lost in the middle of this war of false or half true narratives.
I think only time will tell if vaccines are really efficient and if side effects are acceptable. By there all informations emerging are nothing more than pure speculation.

No one is denying the fact that these vaccines can cause side effects. I took the Pfizer vaccine a few weeks ago, and I had slight fever for two days. Many of my friends had body pain and high fever after they took the vaccine. And the adverse effects seems to be worse for the younger individuals. But here the question is whether these adverse reactions are serious enough to skip vaccination. IMO, they are not. I would say that getting a high fever is much more preferable than dying from COVID or suffering from permanent lung damage.
But then there is another point: who does guarantee these vaccines are going to prevent people from getting covid and compromising lungs and even dying? I've seen several famous people in my country who were vaccinated twice and still died anyway. That is why I say both sides of the narratives shouldn't be trusted.
Who got vaccinated should still be very careful and not rely on the vaccine to go back to normal life, because we don't really know how useful it is going to be on practice. And the media who sells the false illusion of these vaccines being the solution for covid won't take any responsability for any deaths.

The problem is that any medicine, if certain factors coincide, can be fatal. Even the most simple and seemingly harmless. BUT - not to use the medicine - the path is even more sad. Here, unfortunately, such is the variability - either possible negative exceptions, or there will be guaranteed negative cases. What is happening now looks like a similar situation: there is a shallow river with a huge number of hungry and aggressive crocodiles. A bridge was made across it. And they say to those who want to cross this river - the probability that you will not fall off the bridge is 99%. And some people say - "only 99%? It's very risky, I'll go right across the river" Smiley

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The problem is that any medicine, if certain factors coincide, can be fatal. Even the most simple and seemingly harmless. BUT - not to use the medicine - the path is even more sad. Here, unfortunately, such is the variability - either possible negative exceptions, or there will be guaranteed negative cases. What is happening now looks like a similar situation: there is a shallow river with a huge number of hungry and aggressive crocodiles. A bridge was made across it. And they say to those who want to cross this river - the probability that you will not fall off the bridge is 99%. And some people say - "only 99%? It's very risky, I'll go right across the river" Smiley
They say the probability you will not fall off the bridge is 99%, but in fact it's much less. So I prefer to not cross the bridge until a stone or steel one is built instead. The river crossing can wait. Cheesy
The same way a solid bridge takes a longer time to be built, an efficient vaccine also takes several years to be achieved. So I will just wait patiently and keep considering covid the same threat it was when everything started between the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020. Maybe in 2 or 3 years a real vaccine appears, although it may take even longer.

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The problem is that any medicine, if certain factors coincide, can be fatal. Even the most simple and seemingly harmless. BUT - not to use the medicine - the path is even more sad. Here, unfortunately, such is the variability - either possible negative exceptions, or there will be guaranteed negative cases. What is happening now looks like a similar situation: there is a shallow river with a huge number of hungry and aggressive crocodiles. A bridge was made across it. And they say to those who want to cross this river - the probability that you will not fall off the bridge is 99%. And some people say - "only 99%? It's very risky, I'll go right across the river" Smiley
They say the probability you will not fall off the bridge is 99%, but in fact it's much less. So I prefer to not cross the bridge until a stone or steel one is built instead. The river crossing can wait. Cheesy
The same way a solid bridge takes a longer time to be built, an efficient vaccine also takes several years to be achieved. So I will just wait patiently and keep considering covid the same threat it was when everything started between the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020. Maybe in 2 or 3 years a real vaccine appears, although it may take even longer.
I agree, though they said the covid vaccines are safe and tested it cant guarantee a 100% effectiveness and no extreme side effects. Only time can tell and it takes a long way before they can create a truly proven and tested vaccines that can act as protection to not get infected. Its scary to see these side effects after getting vaccinated if you have other illness.

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The problem is that any medicine, if certain factors coincide, can be fatal. Even the most simple and seemingly harmless. BUT - not to use the medicine - the path is even more sad. Here, unfortunately, such is the variability - either possible negative exceptions, or there will be guaranteed negative cases. What is happening now looks like a similar situation: there is a shallow river with a huge number of hungry and aggressive crocodiles. A bridge was made across it. And they say to those who want to cross this river - the probability that you will not fall off the bridge is 99%. And some people say - "only 99%? It's very risky, I'll go right across the river" Smiley

The choice is yours to make. In India, the Delta variant is said to be having a fatality rate of close to 7%. And the deaths that are directly attributed to the vaccination is one in ten million or lower. So you wan to chose whether you want to have a 7% chance of death (by refusing to take the vaccine) or a 0.000001% chance of death (by taking the vaccine). If you are staying in a very low prevalence area such as New Zealand, then you may refuse to take the vaccine. Because there is a very low chance that you may get infected.

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Even after vaccination the incidence of the virus is not decreasing in many countries after the second day the third wave is appearing again. It is usually up to the individual to decide how he or she will handle everything experts are now divided over whether to identify the new delta plus variant as a cause for concern. Delta Plus may be a little more effective than delta in re infecting people with weakened immunity or people affected by the onset of the epidemic many experts are not in favor of taking the delta plus variant lightly.
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The problem is that any medicine, if certain factors coincide, can be fatal. Even the most simple and seemingly harmless. BUT - not to use the medicine - the path is even more sad. Here, unfortunately, such is the variability - either possible negative exceptions, or there will be guaranteed negative cases. What is happening now looks like a similar situation: there is a shallow river with a huge number of hungry and aggressive crocodiles. A bridge was made across it. And they say to those who want to cross this river - the probability that you will not fall off the bridge is 99%. And some people say - "only 99%? It's very risky, I'll go right across the river" Smiley
They say the probability you will not fall off the bridge is 99%, but in fact it's much less. So I prefer to not cross the bridge until a stone or steel one is built instead. The river crossing can wait. Cheesy
The same way a solid bridge takes a longer time to be built, an efficient vaccine also takes several years to be achieved. So I will just wait patiently and keep considering covid the same threat it was when everything started between the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020. Maybe in 2 or 3 years a real vaccine appears, although it may take even longer.

Here you did not take into account one nuance - you MUST cross the bridge. The coronavirus does not give you a choice - either a high probability of getting sick or "walking across the bridge" which is a vaccine. Yes, I understand that the "bridge was built" very quickly, and did not carry out a full cycle of inspections, as in the construction of other bridges. But the crocodiles in the river are real, and the risk when crossing the river ford is almost 100% .. But everyone chooses his own path - someone to the crocodiles and someone across the bridge Smiley

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The problem is that any medicine, if certain factors coincide, can be fatal. Even the most simple and seemingly harmless. BUT - not to use the medicine - the path is even more sad. Here, unfortunately, such is the variability - either possible negative exceptions, or there will be guaranteed negative cases. What is happening now looks like a similar situation: there is a shallow river with a huge number of hungry and aggressive crocodiles. A bridge was made across it. And they say to those who want to cross this river - the probability that you will not fall off the bridge is 99%. And some people say - "only 99%? It's very risky, I'll go right across the river" Smiley

The choice is yours to make. In India, the Delta variant is said to be having a fatality rate of close to 7%. And the deaths that are directly attributed to the vaccination is one in ten million or lower. So you wan to chose whether you want to have a 7% chance of death (by refusing to take the vaccine) or a 0.000001% chance of death (by taking the vaccine). If you are staying in a very low prevalence area such as New Zealand, then you may refuse to take the vaccine. Because there is a very low chance that you may get infected.

Yes, I absolutely agree that in areas where, due to the low population density, the risks of infection drop sharply and the risks of the consequences of vaccination and the disease become equal. But given that in most cases, the population density in cities is always high, plus there are countries with a very high population density and a huge population (China, India, Indonesia, USA, ....), the risks of infection will still prevail over the risks of vaccination

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Good for these countries free from the virus. I still feel like developing countries are missing out right now.
Cases are still rising, and it's alarming. Not only because of government lack of action, but lack of resources
I guess densely populated places are most negatively affected right now.

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The choice is yours to make. In India, the Delta variant is said to be having a fatality rate of close to 7%. And the deaths that are directly attributed to the vaccination is one in ten million or lower. So you wan to chose whether you want to have a 7% chance of death (by refusing to take the vaccine) or a 0.000001% chance of death (by taking the vaccine). If you are staying in a very low prevalence area such as New Zealand, then you may refuse to take the vaccine. Because there is a very low chance that you may get infected.
The different perspective of people in advance country and developing country is too huge. Education becomes the main factor of people's mindset. In my country, they shouted that in aboard they don't lockdown and can watch the Europe Lague and they compared with the local condition that will implement 100% WFH in some cities which have a highest infected case. In fact, in aboard the total of vaccinated people have reached over 20% of the total population then so different with my country that has reached just 2% of the total population. The government gets hard to handle the pandemic just because of the stupidity and less literation.
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Good for these countries free from the virus. I still feel like developing countries are missing out right now.
Cases are still rising, and it's alarming. Not only because of government lack of action, but lack of resources
I guess densely populated places are most negatively affected right now.
How can you complain about the government while they are very serious people and work directly with Covid, even they are very eager to receive equipment and vaccines to fight this pandemic wave but the effectiveness of the vaccine is still not stable and there is no other way but to try to prolong and wait more, most of them have warned about medical and health check, but the general situation is that many people still do not listen to the advice, human resources are not enough for these cases

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