The gambler who manages to beat the casino through cheating

[swogerino]

On a completely different note, good cheaters can become bug hunters and get paid for disclosing such bugs to casino platforms. There can always be a good and a bad side in things.

I think this normally happens once you get caught. We see that a lot of former tricksters and cheaters become security consultants later in life. It might be a decent way to try and avoid a large prison sentence. I think once you made your money with cheating it's all about keeping that money and being able to enjoy it.

There are different point of views to this.Some people consider these cheaters as smarter people than other people so they think it is in their right to keep such money because of this smartness.The other group of people consider this the same as thieves or burglars who should get a hefty penalty for their misbehavior by damaging others in this case the company.

[CODE200]

We have one in this forum.
This guy seems always win since every day I receive his bragging messages.
I tried to follow his path but got beaten to a pulp by the casino.

Lol, you followed his path and got beaten because there is somethings he is not sharing; which are the vital things he does that led to his winnings. Don't blame him though, when a method (especially in games) is saturated, it becomes hard to win.

The question is; do this methods really work? You have said it already, there 'might' be things he did not mention, but what if that's already his method and it does not work everytime? Gambling is a complicated thing and basically we cannot call it gambling if the outcome or result could be manipulated by its players. I do believe there are times 'cheating' would work but what if he is just lucky? I'd consider it cheating if the player is winning in every time he is playing because that would be impossible if you will play the game the usual way. And I don't get the point not to win every game if he knows the way because he won't be caught on the other hand.

[fiulpro]

Many casinos do cheat too , therefore it's only general that people will do negative things here too. At the end of the day we can only be responsible for our actions.
There are some things like card counting which is taken as cheating by many casinos but that how far one should go. Using your brain and mathematics is never something one should be ashamed to try but at the end of the day if someone cheats like these stated above ofcourse they need to have some serious actions taken against them.

It is indeed hard to catch people cheating in an online game but now casinos have become smarter , the ban on VPN have discouraged many people from accessing the casinos from the banned counties that can also be considered illegal.

Please do not follow anyone's path , last thing you need is some problems with the casino and legal authorities. Play for fun and don't play if you cannot afford to loose.

[RealMalatesta]

The gambler who manages to beat the casino through cheating

What at least most of these people do is not cheating. Yes it is against casino rules, since it brings them loss, but is definitely not cheating. They just try to beat the game. And they do it smart.

Yes, they are working smart to think of a way to beat the house. They have the mind to find ways to be able to beat the house and they were successful but their method is just unethical and that's purely cheating. We may have different opinions as you believe it's not cheating but for me, it's considered cheating as they violated rules and used tools and techniques that should not be done in the first place.

If players are doing things like Arbitrage in sports betting or revealing the server seed somehow those are absolute cases of cheating. But if someone has profited by making some kind of strategies then they are lucky and calling them cheater is a bad idea because they have been lucky and we have to remember that the house edge is so small in most crypto casinos that it is not impossible to actually beat the house edge in long term too.

There have been several instances of players cheating the casino which is also the reason why casinos are now trying to get user KYC done like stake recently announced they will double certain bonuses for their players if they are verified. I know why they are doing that, it is to stop the giveaway abuse while also in case a player cheats they have his identity as well to sue him legally.

[boyptc]

On a completely different note, good cheaters can become bug hunters and get paid for disclosing such bugs to casino platforms. There can always be a good and a bad side in things.

You're right about this, this could be the best for bug hunting which we all know to attract handsome rewards. In my local games i usually tried to game the platform but this isn't ethical becasue it help destroy ones reputations built for years.

They can tell it to the management that they have found a bug instead of exploiting and abusing.

They will be rewarded for that if they are the first to find it out. But the casino can still reward them if it has been caught again.

Actually, that is the better way to do it. At leat your conscience is clear and you may be rewarded with your initiatives to report a bug. Because if you will just abuse it, the end game will be bad. And I don't think you will enjoy for that long as you got your money in not-so-good way.  Better be on the right side, at least you will be happy if the management will compensate your effort.

It's not only the end game that will be bad but your reputation as a gambler will also be told by that action you'll do. There are generous casinos that are giving a nice rewards for those honest players that have found a bug and reported it immediately once found.

But for abusers, they have no heart.

[ethereumhunter]

The question is; do this methods really work? You have said it already, there 'might' be things he did not mention, but what if that's already his method and it does not work everytime? Gambling is a complicated thing and basically we cannot call it gambling if the outcome or result could be manipulated by its players. I do believe there are times 'cheating' would work but what if he is just lucky? I'd consider it cheating if the player is winning in every time he is playing because that would be impossible if you will play the game the usual way. And I don't get the point not to win every game if he knows the way because he won't be caught on the other hand.

I do not think that the methods will always really work because I think the result will be different if other people used the same method. If we talk about it "every time", I do not think that will be possible since the casino will not let anyone who uses the "methods" can win their game and take the money. I will consider that his luck works at the right time as to beat the casino will not be an easy job, especially if he cheat the casino.

[aoluain]

The guy that made a special chip that manipulates the slot machines is the most cunning of them together with the guy that made tools to manipulate slot machine. He could have get away with the chip if he did a strategy where he doesn't seem suspicious.

He is smart to use a special chip that can manipulate the machine without anyone knows on the first time, but sooner or later, he will get caught by the casino, and I am sure that he will get something to pay back the casino. But it will not be easy to apply that chips to the machine without anyone knows as, in the casino, the security officer will not let anyone cheat on their place. Perhaps, he can use that chips on some casino, but he will not have a chance to use the other casino chips because the other casino will be very careful from a gambler who wants to cheat them.

The special chip trick is great, It shows a great degree of ingenuity to have the idea,
engineer it and make it work.
Unfortunately by using the same tactic he eventually got caught. Ideally using the chips
within 24hrs would have been more rewarding.

[AicecreaME]

You cannot call it Cheating unless they get caught in the act, that's the funny thing as an excuse for cheating. This is a very interesting idea how people outsmarted the casinos in their very own unique way, I wonder if they get imprisoned for cheating or not.

On my side, winning in gambling just because you cheated is not actually a win for me, no challenge at all, I mean yeah it is challenge to not get caught but you get my idea on why it is not challenging at all. But they are a good example that gambling is beatable in a way they won't even notice they are getting cheated on.

[codegnome]

The term cheating has taken on a big dimension in recent decades. Several films have also been transferred. Card counting movie "21" was brilliantly crafted and very well executed.
Counting cards was not officially illegal, but casinos were not fond of it. You may wonder if that is cheating. Can cheating be legal too?

[STT]

Its cheating if you read peoples minds but its not illegal because its supposedly impossible.    I gave the example before of using lasers to measure a roulette wheel, now I've no idea how they did that or used it to gain an advantage and apparently it was new to the casino also.   The court ruled regardless of this idea of cheating, the gambler apparently had not broken contract or good faith or however it might be described.  That is a pretty surprising decision but lasers for that unique point in time were not illegal.   Now I suppose a laser is mentioned in a casino rule book because it became known method.   So it'd be breaking contract law at least to go there.   My example of reading minds even appears silly but they can detect some blunt changes in human thinking via various methods, I've no idea how that could help in a poker game or whatever but I suppose its not impossible though tbh how could it not be cheating.

[aoluain]

The term cheating has taken on a big dimension in recent decades. Several films have also been transferred. Card counting movie "21" was brilliantly crafted and very well executed.
Counting cards was not officially illegal, but casinos were not fond of it. You may wonder if that is cheating. Can cheating be legal too?

I remember that movie, such an enjoyable watch that was.
I have been thinking the same, Counting cards was not illegal,
its actually a skill, the counter V's the dealer, who is more skilled?

In the case of the MIT Blackjack Team it was not the Dealers!

Although in the eyes of the Casinos it was "Cheating"

[Fredomago]

On a completely different note, good cheaters can become bug hunters and get paid for disclosing such bugs to casino platforms. There can always be a good and a bad side in things.

I think this normally happens once you get caught. We see that a lot of former tricksters and cheaters become security consultants later in life. It might be a decent way to try and avoid a large prison sentence. I think once you made your money with cheating it's all about keeping that money and being able to enjoy it.

Most bug hunters i have seen before now usually ends as cheaters becasue of their greediness. Those who later become security consultants somehow help outsiders to win sometimes, there was this case where some insiders help newbies cheaters to game their system; they were caught and the secret linked.

Greed with such easy catch of money those people are capable of doing such acts. If money talks it won't be easy to anyone to deal with this kind of actions, they will fall and continue doing their activities, oce they've got caught that's the only time they'll realized that they've done something that won't let them to walk away that easily.

Cheaters will keep their chances as long as there's possibilities to take over they won't stop and will keep on trying to take advantage of any potentials that will provide them the win.

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Greed with such easy catch of money those people are capable of doing such acts. If money talks it won't be easy to anyone to deal with this kind of actions, they will fall and continue doing their activities, oce they've got caught that's the only time they'll realized that they've done something that won't let them to walk away that easily.

Cheaters will keep their chances as long as there's possibilities to take over they won't stop and will keep on trying to take advantage of any potentials that will provide them the win.

Victory with greed will be done for whatever sake, so that this opportunity remains. I know there are many ways to do this, especially the gambling they often do in their activities, well maybe we are horrified to see the cheater's behavior but whatever it is they are. So naturally this would be very risky if it was caught it might be put on trial or the assets would be withheld.

What is clear is that in casinos it often happens like that we see in movies isn't that exemplifying so that the con artists will do the trick and their chances are probably quite big if they do it accustomed to it.

[shoreno]

The term cheating has taken on a big dimension in recent decades. Several films have also been transferred. Card counting movie "21" was brilliantly crafted and very well executed.
Counting cards was not officially illegal, but casinos were not fond of it. You may wonder if that is cheating. Can cheating be legal too?

I remember that movie, such an enjoyable watch that was.
I have been thinking the same, Counting cards was not illegal,
its actually a skill, the counter V's the dealer, who is more skilled?

In the case of the MIT Blackjack Team it was not the Dealers!

Although in the eyes of the Casinos it was "Cheating"

cheating cant be legal because its cheating anyway and many have said that card counting was still a form of cheating maybe because the game wasnt meant to be played on its own way which is to play in a random fashion ,

 we know gambling and all gambling games works randomly but with a little exception to some card games because wise card players are thinking of a way on how they can get an advantage playing these games .  i havent watch the movie 21 yet but i think they make the movie to show some values for the gamblers that are planning to the same tricks

[Quidat]

When it comes to cheating then it isnt really a rare thing and it would surely exist in all sorts of things here on this world specially on things that do involves money.
There are people who do really think off on making up things that they do took advantage through cheating and when they get caught then that would really be
the end of them specially if they got imprisoned on what they had done.Its just right that they would really be suffering those consequences
they dont manage to beat up casino but rather they do simply cheat out, there's no way on beating up a casino house in the first place.

[lienfaye]

6. Ida Summers

It turns out that not only men who are good at gambling, because a woman named Ida Summers is known as the god of gambler. With a gambling technique called Switching in Coolers and Hand Mucking. This technique requires hand speed to hide the cards from being caught, and will bring
them out again if profitable.

Im familiar with this because of some movies that I watch with actors playing card games, a technique used by gamblers to cheat and win. If you're not caught you can earn bucks otherwise its a mess. We all want to win and beat the house edge but its better to do it in a right way and not through cheating. Its nice to become well known for being a gambler with working strategy rather than a cheater who is greedy to earn money.

[Betwrong]

Those all people managed to beat the casino not by luck just by their cheating strategies which can't be considered as actual beating the house because it is actually possible in long run no matter what. Well, these are some interesting stories behind the great minds who used to be smart but get caught at the end.

I wouldn't call them "great minds" though. Cheating isn't something a wise person would consider performing. Take the MIT team, prolly the wisest people of them all. Being scientists they could direct their efforts on inventing something which would make millions of USD for them legally. Many people could benefit from their inventions, while they could make good profits themselves. And yet they decided to engage in card counting, or, in other words, stealing money from casinos and other gamblers.

Cheating is also an art which needs some special skills so I will call it as smartness to be honest but its morally wrong and discouraged for sure.

Yes, cheating is an art, and it requires talent and a lot of training and practicing. Isn't it better to apply all that to become skillful in some other field?

The thing with cheating is that once you started, you can't stop doing it at your will. You can't earn money with cheating, and be honest with your girlfriend/wife, friends etc. at the same time. You just can't, and then there are bad consequences. And that's why I wouldn't call cheaters smart, or "great minds". Great minds wouldn't direct their efforts on ruining their own lives.

[magneto]

The MIT Blackjack team shouldn't be considered cheating at all.

Casinos are private properties so pit bosses can tell APs/card counters to back off, but nowhere does it say that it is illegal to use your intelligence and knowledge to gain an advantage at a casino game.

In fact, they shouldn't even be considered gamblers. They play a very carefully calculated strategy to maximise EV and minimise the risk of ruin. It's more of an investment rather than anything else.

[carlfebz2]

Those all people managed to beat the casino not by luck just by their cheating strategies which can't be considered as actual beating the house because it is actually possible in long run no matter what. Well, these are some interesting stories behind the great minds who used to be smart but get caught at the end.

I wouldn't call them "great minds" though. Cheating isn't something a wise person would consider performing. Take the MIT team, prolly the wisest people of them all. Being scientists they could direct their efforts on inventing something which would make millions of USD for them legally. Many people could benefit from their inventions, while they could make good profits themselves. And yet they decided to engage in card counting, or, in other words, stealing money from casinos and other gamblers.

Cheating is also an art which needs some special skills so I will call it as smartness to be honest but its morally wrong and discouraged for sure.

Yes, cheating is an art, and it requires talent and a lot of training and practicing. Isn't it better to apply all that to become skillful in some other field?

The thing with cheating is that once you started, you can't stop doing it at your will. You can't earn money with cheating, and be honest with your girlfriend/wife, friends etc. at the same time. You just can't, and then there are bad consequences. And that's why I wouldn't call cheaters smart, or "great minds". Great minds wouldn't direct their efforts on ruining their own lives.

I dont know that kind of mindset on where cheating is somewhat a commendable thing of being smart because in other angle of perspective it isnt really ethical on any manner.

They do able to make money but not on the legal way and this is through cheating and when the time that they do play fair then they cant really resist not to cheat up
because these are the thing theyve been get used to.

It isnt an art and someone who do call it an art is just having that dumb mind or understanding of things.

[xSkylarx]

It isnt an art and someone who do call it an art is just having that dumb mind or understanding of things.

IMO, it can be an art if it has complex techniques to perfectly execute the method of cheating. Those type of cheating are not easy to do, it requires multiple practices and needs a unique talent that not anyone has. You won't notice it easily that they are cheating because it's one of their strategies to lose sometimes unless you found a pattern that can prove that they are cheating.

What I can't call art is if someone found an exploit then abuses it easily with ease.